Why do people still talk about AGI?

6•cermicelli•1h ago

I am curious I am not sure if AI is just hype, I use it for software and a few other things. But looking at so many people talking about AGI when the best models can't even answer simple stuff correctly, fail at tool use, are vulnerable to all types of injection attacks that don't make sense.

I don't know if the investments in AI are worth it but am I blind for not seeing any hope for AGI any time soon.

Agentic AI is interesting perhaps but I hardly have had it work perfectly, I have to hold it's hand at everything.

People making random claims about AGI soon is really weakening my confidence in AI in general. Given I haven't seen much improvements in last few years other than better tools and wrappers, and models that work better with these tools and wrappers.

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teaearlgraycold•1h ago

I think modern agentic tools let you take bigger steps when programming. They’re still fallible and you need to be mentally engaged when using them. But they’re a programmer’s power drill.

bigstrat2003•3m ago

Sure, if a power drill would randomly create a hole twice the size of the bit you put in, or go drill in a direction that you didn't point it in. The reason power drills are a good tool and LLMs are not is that the former works reliably whereas the latter does not and never will.

smt88•1h ago

No serious person thinks LLMs will be the method to create AGI. Even Sam Altman gave that up.

Anyone still saying they'll reach AGI is pumping a stock price.

Separately and unrelated, companies and researchers are still attempting to reach AGI by replacing or augmenting LLMs with other modes of machine learning.

techblueberry•1h ago

I think what we have is mostly AGI. It’s artificial , it’s intelligence, and most important it’s general. It may never get an IQ about 75 or so, but it’s here.

rvz•32m ago

Look carefully at the 'why' in the person / influencer and you almost answered your own question.

> I don't know if the investments in AI are worth it but am I blind for not seeing any hope for AGI any time soon.

> People making random claims about AGI soon is really weakening my confidence in AI in general.

The "people" that are screaming the loudest and making claims about AGI are the ones that have already invested lots of money into hundreds of so-called AI companies and then create false promises about AGI timelines.

Deepmind was the one that took AGI seriously first which it actually meant something until it became meaningless, when every single AI company after OpenAI raised billions in funding rounds over it.

No one can agree as to what "AGI" really means, It varies depending who you ask. But if you look at the actions made by these companies invested in AI, you can figure out what the true definition converges to, with some hints [0].

But it is completely different to what you think it is, and what they say it is.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46668248