Edit, feeding the sea-lion: Cleveland Clinic has called for a re-evaluation of erythritol's "GRAS" status:
> the present findings suggest that discussion of whether erythritol should be reevaluated as a food additive with the Generally Recognized as Safe designation is warranted.
If it's actually "medical consensus", you'd find government agencies or professional organizations calling for bans, at least making announcements that it's harmful.
edit:
in response to OP's edit, I'm still not satisfied given that the statement is to call for its GRAS status to be reevaluated, when I specifically mentioned "announcements that it's harmful". At best that's "medical consensus" for "GRAS status should be reevaluated", not "medical consensus is that it absolutely [harmful]".
nerdsniper•1h ago
Sure. "Scientific" consensus then.
gruez•41m ago
That just shifts the problem around. Where's your evidence that there's a "Scientific consensus"? So far as I can tell there's only two studies, a in-vitro one (ie. the OP) and a cohort study from 2023. If an in-vitro study and a cohort study are all you need to claim it's "quite well studied" and that there's a "consensus", I think your bar is awfully low. On the second page of HN there's a story where some is commenting that mRNA vaccines cause heart issues, citing one study, and I'm sure that the vaccines quacks have more studies than just that one.
I don’t think you searched at all. I’ll come back later with links, but maybe you could search a bit harder in the meantime. I’ve read dozens personally. The link in my top level comment (to another HN thread) will link you to 4 related studies and I walk through some of the logic behind how they choose their methodologies.
Here’s the link again for anyone else who completely missed it:
For those who actually have any level of intellectual curiosity in this, that should get you started on some of the central research.
Bender•1h ago
Not the person you were replying to but I do not have that level of confidence in governing agencies. Money corrupts. There are still a myriad of dangerous substances in use today that are known to be harmful.
As a side note if I consume more than 15G of erythritol I will start to see rainbows. I learned that by mistake of consuming a coconut drink that had 15G which seems like a lot to me. I reproduced it multiple times to confirm. I am not alone, found others that experience the same things.
Search for "artificial sweeteners migraine" or "artificial sweeteners migraine visual aura"
gruez•1h ago
>Not the person you were replying to but I do not have that level of confidence in governing agencies. Money corrupts. There are still a myriad of dangerous substances in use today that are known to be harmful.
That's why I also said "at least making announcements that it's harmful". What substances do you think are actually harmful, but professional associations have refused to denounce it as such? Moreover if the claim is that it's "medical consensus" that it's harmful, how can layperson verify this, instead of relying on some guy confidently proclaiming as such on a HN comment?
Bender•1h ago
There are entire communities dedicated to finding harmful substances outside of the "medical consensus". HN writes them off as quacks and I see those people on HN as trusting dogmatic scientism which to me is true quackery and why I avoid going into the weeds on such topics. If there are clues that something is bad I just get the f&$k away from it until a few hundreds years of testing have concluded which I see as common sense. It is also too difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff on HN as there are too many contrarians and people with financial conflicts of interest.
gruez•45m ago
> If there are clues that something is bad I just get the f&$k away from it until a few hundreds years of testing have concluded which I see as common sense.
That's all fine. You might have a different risk profile. You might think the scientists have been captured by industry or whatever. You can even say "[x] is harmful". Where you get into trouble is when you go around claiming "medical consensus" or whatever, when such consensus clearly doesn't exist.
Bender•43m ago
Where you get into trouble is when you go around claiming "medical consensus" or whatever, when such consensus clearly doesn't exist.
I agree with this. I am not waiting for governmental bodies to say something is good or bad for me.
ibeckermayer•1m ago
Utterly brainwashed take only deserving of mockery.
DustinEchoes•1h ago
Does the BBB recover after you stop consuming erythritol?
nerdsniper•1h ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44623976
Edit, feeding the sea-lion: Cleveland Clinic has called for a re-evaluation of erythritol's "GRAS" status:
> the present findings suggest that discussion of whether erythritol should be reevaluated as a food additive with the Generally Recognized as Safe designation is warranted.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/ATVBAHA.124.321...
> erythritol may not be as safe as currently classified by food regulatory agencies and should be reevaluated as an ingredient
https://newsroom.clevelandclinic.org/2024/08/08/cleveland-cl...
gruez•1h ago
If it's actually "medical consensus", you'd find government agencies or professional organizations calling for bans, at least making announcements that it's harmful.
edit:
in response to OP's edit, I'm still not satisfied given that the statement is to call for its GRAS status to be reevaluated, when I specifically mentioned "announcements that it's harmful". At best that's "medical consensus" for "GRAS status should be reevaluated", not "medical consensus is that it absolutely [harmful]".
nerdsniper•1h ago
gruez•41m ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46969206
nerdsniper•26m ago
Here’s the link again for anyone else who completely missed it:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44623976
For those who actually have any level of intellectual curiosity in this, that should get you started on some of the central research.
Bender•1h ago
As a side note if I consume more than 15G of erythritol I will start to see rainbows. I learned that by mistake of consuming a coconut drink that had 15G which seems like a lot to me. I reproduced it multiple times to confirm. I am not alone, found others that experience the same things.
Search for "artificial sweeteners migraine" or "artificial sweeteners migraine visual aura"
gruez•1h ago
That's why I also said "at least making announcements that it's harmful". What substances do you think are actually harmful, but professional associations have refused to denounce it as such? Moreover if the claim is that it's "medical consensus" that it's harmful, how can layperson verify this, instead of relying on some guy confidently proclaiming as such on a HN comment?
Bender•1h ago
gruez•45m ago
That's all fine. You might have a different risk profile. You might think the scientists have been captured by industry or whatever. You can even say "[x] is harmful". Where you get into trouble is when you go around claiming "medical consensus" or whatever, when such consensus clearly doesn't exist.
Bender•43m ago
I agree with this. I am not waiting for governmental bodies to say something is good or bad for me.
ibeckermayer•1m ago