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What Drives Stock Market Returns?

https://outlookzen.com/2018/10/27/where-do-stock-market-returns-come-from/
18•whack•1h ago

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salkahfi•55m ago
(2018)
deadbabe•35m ago
The fact that this was from 2018 and people were saying the same thing about the stock market as what people are saying today, gives me conviction that it’s best to just not worry about it and just buy stocks and start making money.
rwmj•49m ago
It's a shame Google doesn't let us use a log scale on that graph.
techterrier•48m ago
vibes
dehrmann•4m ago
> In the short run, the market is a voting machine but in the long run, it is a weighing machine

And we vote on vibes.

rvz•45m ago
printing your currency to zero.
munk-a•43m ago
That's a way to bolster it, certainly. None of the listed companies are on the hook for US debt and they'll just relocate if the US becomes a liability. Their value isn't (greatly) at danger of collapse if the debt becomes overwhelming.

There are also healthy ways to encourage economic growth, but those are too boring for the current moment.

randerson•14m ago
The US is the largest market for most US companies, so if consumer buying power is erased (e.g. through a treasury default or inflating our way out of the debt) those companies will drop substantially in value.
munk-a•6m ago
Potentially that will be the case in actual terms. Likely that will be the case in terms of their growth rate. But (for most) that certainly won't be the case in relative terms - the large US corporations would ride through such a decline taking an even bigger slice of the global pie.
RickJWagner•18m ago
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Check it out. You’ll learn the easy, certain, slow way to accumulate wealth. Your future self will be very happy.

lich_king•15m ago
> certain

And by "certain", you mean "not certain". The core tenet are index funds, and while for the average person, they're probably better than stock-picking, you're absolutely exposing yourself to market risk.

biophysboy•16m ago
>The PE ratio reflects earnings today, but the most important metric is projected future earnings.

I think the key words are "projected future". Sometimes that estimation is easy; sometimes it is much harder. New tech introduces uncertainty. Speculative entrepreneurs tell stories that multiply the uncertainty.

wilkommen•15m ago
Idk how people write posts like this anymore. Clearly the stock market isn't rational, and prices of stocks are not tied to financial fundamentals. Stocks are essentially a deflationary alternative currency that only people with disposable income can afford. The rich (and to a smaller extent, the middle class) take the currency which devalues every year (USD) and use it to buy the currency which increases in value every year (stocks and other digital assets), and this is part of the funnel that increases the wealth of the rich at the expense of the poor and middle class. People who think valuations of stocks are tied to fundamentals are smoking medical-grade copium. I too wish that the backbone of our financial system was a not a corrupt, rigged game that benefits a small and decreasing number of people every year, but it is.
tastyfreeze•9m ago
The way to fix that is to stop debasing the currency.

I stopped buying stocks a few years ago. The moment there is a contraction of credit or circulating currency we will see a 1929 style crash. Not worth the risk anymore.

sambaumann•11m ago
For reference when this was written in 2018, a P/E of the S&P of 24 was considered inflated. It stands at 29.34 as of now.

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