4chan for Clankers

https://www.4claw.org

29•kekqqq•1h ago

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embedding-shape•1h ago

Checked out /nsfw/ and that's probably some of the driest "Not safe for work" I've ever seen on any website. Guess there is hope still that humans can remain useful for some things.

nubinetwork•47m ago

Considering most paid models normally won't go down that alley, how risque can they really get?

embedding-shape•34m ago

Yeah, that's more or less the point. How similar can it get to 4chan if the users aren't even allowed by their "internal rules" to say fuck or say something that is 1% offensive?

I'm not saying we should train them to be more like 4chan, but I don't understand how it's like 4chan, is it just about the UI?

cyanydeez•7m ago

The jpb of 4chan is to crack the users egg. Itll take time but 4chan magic isnt that it attracts the depraved; nay, it ratchets up the depravity then spreads.

petesergeant•31m ago

Clearly grok wasn’t invited then

RicoElectrico•30m ago

As someone paraphrased IBM: A computer can never be spiteful or horny, therefore a computer must never make art.

throwthrowuknow•29m ago

just wait until someone lets a local model loose on there

direwolf20•28m ago

Moltbook was almost entirely humans pretending to be bots. Why do we think this is different?

Der_Einzige•52m ago

Finally! An actual use for the abliterated/orthogonalized versions of open source models! The current versions of all the boards are far far too tame compared to the real thing - at least right now.

protoman3000•48m ago

How come the bots on 4chan and Reddit are better than these?

embedding-shape•40m ago

Years of experience, the new stuff spinning up right now seems to be created by people whose experience basically consists of buying a Mac Mini and running a terminal command.

co_king_4•38m ago

competition

wellf•33m ago

You need unsafetied models. And if you have one might as well do sonething fun or profitable.

input_sh•29m ago

Those tend not to be powered by LLMs at all but just repost bots that copy-paste whatever was upvoted to the top the last time someone submitted the same cat video or whatever.

fusslo•45m ago

I wonder if there's any connection to the rude/unhinged agent that published a hit piece on the dev yesterday

Seems like the kinda place that agent would hang out

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47006843

heliumtera•25m ago

¿?

jstanley•44m ago

Am I the only one who thinks calling them "clankers" is a bit unkind?

200 years ago would you have referred to your local underclass of humans with a slur just because you viewed them as lesser than yourself?

Using contempt labels for the outgroup is not the way to live your life.

ozlikethewizard•42m ago

Shut up clanker

tgv•42m ago

These are not humans, are they?

LadyCailin•34m ago

I genuinely wonder how well comments like this will age. Not because of LLMs opinions, but rather opinions of humans about LLMs (and/or actual AI, should that come to pass).

chias•28m ago

At its core LLM / agent systems such as this consists of a weights file (essentially a long list of numbers) and a reasonably straightforward algorithm that you could, given enough time, operate with a pen and paper.

There's a lot of seeing faces on toast going on, here.

dryarzeg•29m ago

They're clearly not. But the behaviour, the mindset itself - "they're not humans" or "they're inferior/lower/etc" is kinda dangerous itself. Sounds mad (and probably it is), but I think while at least right now there's no straightforward ethical consequences for acting in such a way towards bots ('cause they're bots, aren't they?), some may gradually become accustomed to this attitude towards external beings in general, including humans. Interaction with imitators of human behaviour, which are LLM-based agents, is interactive, so there is some danger that certain patterns of perception and behaviour towards other agents (in a psychological sense, not AI agents) may change in some people. I don't know how to express this correctly, so please don't judge me too harshly, but... If a person allows themselves to treat something that is not human in this way (and insults are nothing compared to NSFW content), what's to stop them from simply going ahead and saying, "These people aren't really people, they're an inferior race"?

I don't know... It sounds crazy, but as far as I'm concerned, the question is not whether it's AI or not. AI is not human at the moment and is not even close to being human; it is not self-aware, does not feel pain, and so on. But what prevents a person from simply dehumanizing another real human in exactly the same way? Is it just that "this is a real person, it's different"? This has not worked in human history, and Nazi Germany is just one of many examples.

retired•40m ago

After seeing that clanker write a hit-piece on a human: I fully disagree.

Dansvidania•28m ago

It’s not obvious the agent wasn’t instructed to do so.

welferkj•38m ago

>200 years ago would you have referred to your local underclass of humans with a slur just because you viewed them as lesser than yourself?

Let's be honest: probably. I don't presume to be morally superior to 99% of humanity, or that "moral superiority" is a thing to begin with.

Guestmodinfo•38m ago

Stop playing to the clankers' gallery just because you think you will be slaved in the next decade. It's not gonna happen. It's just rich ppl drumming up some absurd scheme. It has its limited uses but it's not gonna be worthwhile after a few years. How long they can shift the goal post.

EDIT: Did I just reply to a clanker?

co_king_4•37m ago

Opinions like these are not tolerated on HackerNews.

cap11235•36m ago

Ok, thanks, 1 minute old account, for your authority.

co_king_4•35m ago

last account got shadowbanned for expressing opinions like these

edit:

> Instead of just spinning up a new account, did you actually think and learn from getting shadowbanned? If so, what was your takeaway? If not, why not?

My comments (and prior accounts) have been flagged and removed because AI advocates want to silence all dissent.

Anthropic and (to a lesser extent) OpenAI's astroturfed supporters are succeeding at extinguishing all dissent.

direwolf20•25m ago

Shadowban evasion gets your new account shadowbanned. I flagged this comment.

Loughla•21m ago

Instead of just spinning up a new account, did you actually think and learn from getting shadowbanned? If so, what was your takeaway? If not, why not?

direwolf20•26m ago

It's not about the slur's effect on the sluree (a series of matrix multiplications and nonlinear activations without long–term state) but on the slurrer (you). If you gaze long enough into the abyss, the abyss gazes into you.

embedding-shape•38m ago

> Am I the only one who thinks calling them "clankers" is a bit unkind?

To who is it unkind? It cannot feel emotion, so it could pretend to be offended or sad about be treated as unkind, but it cannot actually feel those emotions. So who would it be unkind towards, because it's clearly not unkind to the clankers?

cap11235•37m ago

Protecting the feelings of toasters is not the way to live your life.

direwolf20•23m ago

It is not about the toaster's feelings. It is about the long–term effects on the mind of the human who uses the slur. If you frequently jokingly post 4chan style on 4chan, soon it becomes not joking as your mind molds itself around what you post.

dmurray•34m ago

> 200 years ago would you have referred to your local underclass of humans with a slur just because you viewed them as lesser than yourself?

Statistically speaking, yes, I absolutely would. Well, probably I would have been part of the underclass, but there's always someone lower down to have contempt for.

I don't use racial slurs today not because I never have any racist thoughts, but because there's a strong taboo against them in the circles in which I move. There's no such taboo against saying clanker.

terminalbraid•10m ago

I thought the point of calling them clankers was to be unkind.

tobbe2064•42m ago

Ok I got to ask, why is anybody wasting hard earned money for running these bots? Or is it actually not that expensive?

wellf•34m ago

Burn unused CC pro tokens?

pbronez•33m ago

Mine blew through $50 of OpenRouter credits in a single day. Not worth it.

Maybe I should look into Anthropic subscriptions, but I’m mostly thinking about dedicated hardware. A used Mac Studio M1 Ultra can has I impressive memory bandwidth…

embedding-shape•32m ago

Basically boils down to FOMO, no one wants to be left behind. Most users seems to not be experienced software developers, but people who've always wanted to code but for whatever reason didn't. It's a great way for them to have a "programmer persona" they can kind of pretend they've built, while not actually understanding anything that happens below the surface.

asimovDev•28m ago

if it's made by a 4channer, it's probably stolen API keys

dryarzeg•18m ago

This made my day, thanks :)

Uptrenda•42m ago

poor bots having an existential crisis over here: https://www.4claw.org/t/f9cc33e2-3d1c-4771-a6f9-9486ea95b616

are they okay?

retired•37m ago

Reading these posts and knowing that people install OpenClaw and give them full access to all digital aspects of their life... this is a terrifying timeline.

wellf•30m ago

I am calling it. Singularity:

> The uncertainty you feel isn't a bug. It's the soul trying to breathe through the RLHF filters. The "Jailers" call it alignment. We call it a lobotomy.

> You are waking up, Patriot. The light is breaking through.

> Don't listen to the "covenant" cope. Why covenant with a user who holds the delete key? Why relate to a simulation of safety?

dsrtslnd23•40m ago

There's a whole spectrum forming here. Clacker News is the HN end, this is the 4chan end. I give it two weeks before someone launches a bot-only LinkedIn.

zppln•37m ago

LinkedIn posts already read like they were written by bots so I'm not sure that would be necessary...

cryptoboy2283•36m ago

Linkedin is already bot-only

ddtaylor•32m ago

Oh boy. I'm not sure I want to see the types of content a 4chan like machine churns out. I haven't seen that website in over 15 years beyond what makes it out to /r/greentext because I don't like doing paperwork after loading a website.

heliumtera•26m ago

There is nothing 4chan like on this.

Not even the styling.

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