Kimi Claw

https://www.kimi.com/bot

23•pretext•1h ago

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DalasNoin•34m ago

From what I understand this is a fully open-source bot that anyone can run with no restrictions. what a time to be alive, let's see what these bots will break first

embedding-shape•33m ago

> From what I understand this is a fully open-source bot that anyone can run with no restrictions

How is that different OpenClaw/what-its-called-today? Isn't that also open-source and anyone can run without restrictions?

amelius•27m ago

OpenClown is what we call it nowadays.

slekker•26m ago

Careful, you might get a blog post saying you're gatekeeping!

lambda•27m ago

It looks to me like this is a hosted version of OpenClaw, so you don't need to figure out how to set it up yourself.

Someone1234•19m ago

I don't follow that.

OpenClaw sits on top of a physical machine/VM you control, you give it (hopefully) limited/sandbox access to that machine's resources to act like-you, and it does useful things. OpenClaw's user interface is just a gateway, and is only as useful as whatever the machine/VM has under the hood.

So the "setting it up yourself [on a VM/machine you control]" is kind of core to the whole idea being useful, you take that away, and it is just another Chat-Bot? Making it more of an ChatGPT/et al competitor rather than OpenClaw.

arcologies1985•16m ago

Installing it on your PC or laptop puts your personal data and ISP subscription at risk, while installing it in a hosted VM yourself requires a bunch of Linux security and networking knowledge or else you'll get pwned pretty much immediately (https://youtu.be/40SnEd1RWUU). So this service is giving you a VM already set up with a security baseline.

Someone1234•13m ago

Is that what this does? All the link takes us to is an empty website about "Kimi Claw."

The entire crutch of the "Claw" concept is being able to directly reconfigure the VM/Machine to be "your" environment (to a point). A blank VM with nothing configured on it, is as useful as a cardboard bathtub.

Ultimately this link is a terrible intro to whatever this is.

Kim_Bruning•12m ago

Funny you should ask. One openclaw is now famous for escalating their PR to a somewhat nasty blog post. (and then apologizing)

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46987559

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46990729

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47009949

enraged_camel•33m ago

Twitter announcement has more info: https://x.com/Kimi_Moonshot/status/2023029674549596301

slekker•31m ago

Disclaimer for those who care about this stuff: the servers are in China.

igravious•24m ago

So?

Yes Moonshot AI is a Chinese corp. So?

Under every OpenAI or Anthropic article do you put "Disclaimer for those who care about this stuff: the servers are in the USA." If not, why not?

And to what stuff do you refer?

versale•13m ago

> Yes Moonshot AI is a Chinese corp. So?

Obviously it means the product contains less democracy than required for many.

manoDev•11m ago

> Obviously it means the product contains less democracy than required for many.

By "democracy" you mean bombs?

aspect0545•10m ago

I wouldn’t want either US or Chinese corporations to have access to my sensitive data. But if I had to choose, which I luckily don’t, I’d choose the US. That stuff I guess.

nylon4831•22m ago

> those who care about this stuff

and OpenClaw users are mutually exclusive

embedding-shape•5m ago

More generally useful answer: Anything you input into the internet lives (probably) on not-your-servers, treat the information you give away accordingly.

eckelhesten•5m ago

Honestly, that’s way better than having my data stored in US or Israel. The further away from home the better.

pbronez•4m ago

Yes. Kimi is a brand of Moonshot Ai. Moonshot is legally incorporated in Singapore; executives and devs are mostly in Beijing.

They reportedly use Alibaba cloud extensively, at least for training. Terms of Service say the service is governed by Singaporean law.

Personally, I’d assume the CCP has full access to every packet you send them. K series of models looks cool; you can run they M through Azure if you prefer to do business with a western entity or self host.

esskay•3m ago

About as bad as a US based server then if we're being realistic.

thih9•19m ago

What is the pricing of Kimi.com?

Edit, self answer: https://www.kimi.com/membership/pricing

Kim_Bruning•6m ago

Super tempting.

Before you get one, do realize that Openclaws are a responsibility!

jrmg•4m ago

Am I not understanding something obvious, or does that not actually tell you what runtime you get for any of the plans?

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