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The Dark Side of the Enlightenment

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/2026/02/the-dark-side-of-the-enlightenment
17•thinkingemote•1h ago

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aleph_minus_one•51m ago
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slibhb•45m ago
I appreciate Gray calling out the Soviets and others but I think the whole argument is wrong.

The link between Enlightenment values and imperialism/subjugation of Asia/Africa/Americans is far from clear. Enlightenment values aside, conquering people and taking their stuff was just normal at the time. And while imperialism enriched certain people and led to economic growth, it was probably worse from a economic-growth-first perspective (compared to free trade and sovereignty).

Along the same lines, American slavery was highly profitable for some but there is no good argument that it was essential to the US's economic development. Paying workers supports economic growth by increasing productivity and demand.

Over time, this project of attacking the enlightenment/liberalism has started to seem increasingly boring and wrong to me. For one, the vast majority of these critiques rely on Enlightenment values to critique the Enlightenment. So maybe we should be more enlightened! For another, right-wing populism makes liberal capitalism much more attractive.

Waterluvian•41m ago
I don’t have the data to make a rigorous argument but my intuition tells me that slavery quite likely played a considerable role. It just feels difficult to imagine that something they were so deeply invested in for generations wasn’t that important.

I’ve also wondered if the fiction of American exceptionalism is meant to help future generations pretend that the foundation of their success isn’t built upon an incredible horror perpetrated by their ancestors.

luckylion•34m ago
If there was a strong relationship, shouldn't Brazil be much richer, given that a lot of slaves were forced to live & work in Brazil?
slibhb•26m ago
> It just feels difficult to imagine that something they were so deeply invested in for generations wasn’t that important.

Southern culture was about having giant houses, partying, and not laboring. They didn't fight for the economics of it but rather to preserve that way of life.

> I’ve also wondered if the fiction of American exceptionalism is meant to help future generations pretend that the foundation of their success isn’t built upon an incredible horror perpetrated by their ancestors.

American exceptionalism isn't a fiction. It's probably a selection effect due to immmigration.

And the "incredible horror" is very real...but I'm not convinced that it was necessary ("built upon") for American success.

Waterluvian•7m ago
Did the wealth from slavery play an important role in making the U.S. attractive for significant immigration to begin with?
dist-epoch•18m ago
Indeed, there was wide spread slavery before Enlightenment, white lords enslaving white peasants all over Europe.
accidentallfact•1m ago
I think the reason for it is actually pretty banal. Rationality won. But it didn't win over irrationality, but over superrationality, and we just suffer the horrors of its wrongness.

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