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Pink noise reduces REM sleep and may harm sleep quality

https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/pink-noise-reduces-rem-sleep-and-may-harm-sleep-quality
29•gnabgib•1h ago

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Bratmon•32m ago
> Participants slept under different conditions, including being exposed to aircraft noise, pink noise, aircraft noise with pink noise and aircraft noise with earplugs

And yet the conclusion is about pink noise vs silence. We may have a new textbook example of HARKing right here!

gnabgib•26m ago
The conclusion is:

> The results, the researchers said, suggest not only that earplugs—which are used by as many as 16% of Americans to sleep—are likely effective, but also that the overall health effects of pink noise and other types of broadband noise “sleep aids” need to be studied more thoroughly.

ggm•26m ago
One of those least-worst choices?

What if the intensity was modulated as a function of the dB of externally sourced sounds?

sowbug•30m ago
"Pink noise sounds like a waterfall." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_noise
tartoran•26m ago
Helps me quite a bit to focus when Im in noisy spaces.
mezzman•18m ago
This reminds me of an old Wired interview with Danny Hillis when he developed a system called Babble that used unintelligible vocal bits as background sound to help concentration, too bad it never really went anywhere. https://www.wired.com/2005/06/applied-minds-think-remarkably...
is_true•2m ago
With some friends we usually go camping near a waterfall and we always try to camp a little further so we don't hear the noise. At least not too much. We always assumed it was related to the fact that you can't hear anything approaching, some kind of primal instinct
piperflatline•30m ago
Thanks for sharing. I'll have to reconsider my nightly noise setup, but good to know.
lanyard-textile•9m ago
If you're resting well with your current setup, I wouldn't change it. There are so many individual factors involved with good sleep.
empressplay•26m ago
This study had no controls at all, and can safely be ignored.

>The participants reported not previously using noise to help them sleep or having any sleep disorders.

All this study said was that people who didn't need noise to sleep had their sleep disrupted when noise was introduced. It has absolutely no implication for people who use noise to help them sleep.

Meaningless trash.

trial3•23m ago
study aside, pink noise is awful imo - it's perfect if you're calibrating a PA system and need specific power spectral density properties, but bad for my brain. if sleeping somewhere without a fan or whatever i use brown noise, it's closer to a lower rumbling.
llm_nerd•21m ago
I get how difficult a study like this is to carry out, but each participant was involved for just seven days, each night exposed to different conditions. The control environment was silence, and every other conditions did worse than controlled silence. In others they piped in fake environmental noises, pink noise, or made the participants wear earplugs with some other combination.

Eh. People condition to an environment, and someone conditioned to something like pink noise wouldn't have the acclimation issue, and it might drown out smaller environmental noises that otherwise would have disrupted their sleep. It would take a much longer study to determine this.

Or hey, maybe those insecure sleep masks tracking EEG and other things will give us some insights eventually. People just need to harvest the data from the other services.

xnomad•19m ago
I grew up in South East Asia with air con running all night, when I moved away I found it hard to sleep in 'quieter' countries
thenthenthen•14m ago
This. In summer I get ‘addicted’ to fan noise and cant sleep without. I moved to Asia and the AC is such a blessing.
is_true•5m ago
I'm also addicted to the fan but not only for the noise I like feeling the wind in my face, I think that as it also helps lower your body temperature you sleep better
anigbrowl•15m ago
Researchers observed 25 healthy adults, ages 21 to 41, in a sleep laboratory during eight-hour sleep opportunities over seven consecutive nights.

Absurdly low n. Additionally, I've become very skeptical of anything coming out of sleep labs after my wife was sent to one (at a prestigious teaching hospital) by her doctor some years ago: the 'sleep opportunity' was lights out at 9pm for 8 hours, and the staff were wholly indifferent to the fact that she's a night owl and prefers to sleep after midnight. Additionally she reported that it was not particularly quiet or dark.

I am not a fan of noise machines but I have noticed that I sleep best on rainy nights, which has a similar average sound spectrum, and is about the same as the sound of your blood circulating near your eardrums. Testing pink noise along with aircraft noise (which is closer to red noise) is equivalent to just making the noise level higher with slightly more midrange energy. Some noise can be relaxing for light sleepers; too much is just annoying.

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