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Claims of disability are highest at elite universities

https://www.robkhenderson.com/p/americas-future-leaders-are-learning
42•paulpauper•1h ago

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watwut•49m ago
Well, all the stuff in Epstein files and all the leaders and supposed thinkers in them, Trump, Weiss, Kennedy, DOJ resigning ... one can safely say that existing elites are grifters. When relations to criminals, criminality itself and spectacular moral rot are rewarded in actual leadership, disability accomodation is not the primary issue.

Do you want future moral leaders? Prosecute Trump, Epstein friends, Musk, Bovino, Thiel and investigate corruption om supreme court. Investigate cops murdering citizens too. Investigate wall street.

Also, article did not claimed they are getting advantages on tests, just that they claim disability. There were no data on test advantages.

The biggest issue seemed to be ability to claim food intolerance to avoid mandatory cantine eating - so they get cheaper food. Plus some dorm room allocation issue.

mindslight•28m ago
Spot on. This objective criticisms in this type of reactionary ragebait hit a lot weaker these days. Especially as this exact type of reactionary ragebait served to propel overt grifters into the highest offices of our country.

The fish rots from the head, and any discussion of this topic that doesn't at least touch upon the open corruption of our society's most powerful role models is prima facie dishonest.

Also this article is a dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46921569

paulpauper•13m ago
Yeah, people are so quick to beat up on students for needing extra time or accommodations,yet elite basically act with impunity.
sigwinch•10m ago
The college disability stuff sounds like small potatoes. At least, compared to Vietnam draft deferments. We used to have Gore and Kerry types, who volunteered for the infantry. Even with the lottery number 356, Trump ensured a medical deferment.
recursivedoubts•46m ago
"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people." -John Adams

if the religious part bothers you, substitute "willing to forgo benefits on principle rather than economic and utilitarian calculation, despite recognizing the prisoners dilemma of doing so"

not as snappy, but maybe less emotionally charged

swsieber•26m ago
A religious corollary: "You cannot legislate righteousness", or to your point, "you cannot legislate [willingness to forgo benefits on principle rather than economic and utilitarian calculation, despite recognizing the prisoners dilemma of doing so]"
jfengel•18m ago
The context of that quote is interesting. It's a pep talk to the militia. It could be summarized as "Our country is new and so it doesn't suck yet. Go out there and be honorable."

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Adams/99-02-02-3102

He didn't intend it as political analysis, but it nonetheless makes a fine warning: "But should the People of America, once become capable of that deep simulation towards one another and towards foreign nations [...] this Country will be the most miserable Habitation in the World."

He's pretty clear that this had already affected every other country, and it seems like he expected us to go that way eventually. I don't think any set of laws will govern a people who would rather defeat their opponents than live together.

rossvc•45m ago
In a society characterized by low trust and led by shameless leaders, what else can one expect?
netsharc•38m ago
Eye-opening read about corruption: https://archive.is/CBQFY

(Which itself is a review of a book about the topic)

SunshineTheCat•41m ago
I don't know how much this plays a role, and this is anecdotal, but I feel like the last 5-10 years or so, folks have put increasing stock in being (or being portrayed as) a victim.

A hobby growing in popularity seems to be perusing the internet on the lookout for something to be "outraged" by, no matter how mundane.

As someone who played hockey for years, this always felt like such a contrast from my experience where the norm was to conceal an injury and power through so you could keep playing.

If you were bleeding and unphased, you were the envy of your teammates. If a guy was limping off the ice after blocking a shot, you did not want to see the bruise he had underneath.

What I will be interested in seeing is, as students graduate into the job market, how the feigning victimhood approach fits into getting a well paying job. For all I know, it may pay off. Only time will tell I guess.

tencentshill•34m ago
People don't hunt down outrage posts, they are delivered to them by algorithms seeking maximum engagement. The solution is nothing less than to outlaw recommendation algorithms.
daveguy•8m ago
1000% agree recommendation algorithms should not be allowed. Sorting and user criteria, great. But nothing should be pushed without clear acknowledgement of the user. Anything software recommends should be specified by the user.
gigatree•32m ago
I imagine most people are secretly turned off by the victim card (for the same reason you’d avoid someone who always has a “woe is me” story) but who knows how that affects the job market when virtue signaling is so powerful.
taeric•30m ago
"Grievance culture," I believe, is the term you are looking for.

Most of the power in that came from classes of victims being untouchable. Some of that was the decorum of not wanting to punch down. Some was the reasonable ask that people realize they had advantages others didn't have.

All of it was completely unprepared for being gamed and infiltrated by bad faith actors.

nradov•18m ago
You can get all sorts of extra accommodations at school and work now if you're diagnosed with a disability. Disability rates have thus exploded. I support giving reasonable accommodations to people who are truly disabled but we have medicalized a lot of minor stuff that people ought to just "power through".

https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/40-percent-st...

BLKNSLVR•5m ago
I blame soccer for starting this societal trend.

Fool the ref, win the game.

(only partially tongue-in-cheek)

mcs5280•41m ago
Learning?
JohnBrookz•33m ago
This shouldn’t be news. I grew up in Texas and most of my high school’s top 8% were cheating to stay ahead. Older siblings handed down tests and kids snuck into classes to steal exams.

At my university most kids I knew cheated. Having done the work honestly - lots of classmates would ask if they could glimpse my answers during exams.

In my naivety I believed that there would be somewhat of a comeuppance but no they’re just as successful (and some even more!) than I. When the outcomes are extreme, people will do anything to stay ahead.

Most Americans are honest hard working people. Don’t be them is the hard lesson I’ve learned.

bediger4000•16m ago
Interesting! My experience was the opposite: every instance of cheating I saw turned out bad, save one plane geometry fake construction, and a physical chemistry class where the building janitor potentially stole copies of tests.
hunterpayne•9m ago
Just to be clear, this absolutely wasn't the case in the 90s. This is a recent trend.
TSiege•26m ago
I'm really tired of hearing about college students "misbehaving" when with something like this the fish rots from the head. Children learn from the role models we elevate, and look who gets ahead in our society. Full of grifters who rarely if ever see any accountability for their misbehavior. Hold the powerful who are doing this accountable before we cause another manufactured social panic over the actions of teenagers
hunterpayne•5m ago
So the university administrations then right? Because my school got caught doing something unethical (a few months ago) and when the alumni complained, the administration started smearing and attacking the alumni personally. Now they are complaining about donations being down. Keep in mind this school has billions in endowments and most of their complains are that a few other schools have even bigger endowments.
jongjong•22m ago
Future leaders... Common, they are already grifters! It's a spectrum but the system selects for cheaters and psychopaths. Everything is highly superficial and empty.

Reality has become exactly like in T.S. Eliot's "The Hollow Men."

dismalaf•18m ago
Maybe we should go back to treating people equally?

Give extra benefits to certain groups and people will naturally take advantage of it.

arjie•17m ago
I was thinking about this just the other day. The population of elite universities has greater mental illness than the broad population and in fact, 10 times higher rates than community college. There are two broad ways it could have happened:

* widespread medical malpractice assigning disabilities to healthy individuals - extending to modification of the criteria for diagnosis - and 2 in 5 Stanford students are dishonest individuals

* or maybe these people have these conditions but they aren't disabling and are actually enabling

So one thing we could do is give neuro-typical people more accommodations so that they have are on a level playing field with neuro-divergent people. A similar enough ratio is what we see for left-handedness in sports, which leads to a lot of science looking into why left-handedness is an advantage. Maybe neuro-divergence is an advantage. In sport, we don't care about leveling the field, but here we do, so we should.

ge96•12m ago
Wonder if ADHD is counted (to get a prescription)
cal_dent•16m ago
Show me the incentives....
oblio•15m ago
Heh, reminds me of 90's Romania when everyone dreamt of "tunuri" (literally "cannons") or "țepe" (literally "stakes") aka cons. Tun being a major con, one that would mean you're set for life and țeapă being any con.

Kids would dream of growing up and "să dea țeapă" (give a stake = pull a con) or "să tragă un tun" (fire a cannon = pull off major con) and then never working for the rest of their lives.

paulpauper•13m ago
It's interesting how on either side of the aisle there is a lot of hostility to this, yet if you look at a modern white-collar workplace environment, specially tech jobs, people are constantly needing delays or extra time. Look how often projects are delayed. Or people show up late for work . Or workplace accommodations even for non-disabilities, such as office perks, which are very generous for prestigious jobs.

The SCOTUS delayed many times in rendering a ruling on the Trump tariffs despite having clerks and other staff to write the statements and abundant time.

People have very high expectations placed on students for some reason, and then the opposite for jobs especially as prestige of the job goes up.

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