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European Tech Alternatives

https://eutechmap.com/map
77•puppion•1h ago

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redrove•36m ago
“Tech alternatives” yet a good portion of the companies I randomly clicked on are software services/outsourcing, especially on the eastern side.

Show me a European iPhone, European Microsoft, European Nvidia, etc. Hell, I’ll take a European one man company that can reach all 27 markets.

Europe needs a single market for capital and the removal of legal barriers to extend across the continent, foremost for the little guy. Von der Failen can only add _more_ regulation. Someone wake me when they actually make something easier.

raincole•22m ago
Yeah. Not sure if it's the intention, but what this site really shows is "the lack of European tech alternatives."
budududuroiu•20m ago
Realistically, what you're asking for won't happen unless there's a strong push for Federalisation.

Unfortunately, most Eastern Bloc countries are led into the false belief that the EU is encroaching on their ways of life and "making them eat ze bugs", and the Brussels elite is more concerned with using their slim remaining political capital to push restrictions on internet freedoms rather than federalisation.

coredev_•19m ago
So there are of course a lot of large EU based IT/tech companies but I guess you already know this.

As for leaders, von der Leyen might not be the best but still lightyears better than the orange pedo in the wh.

cyberax•18m ago
How about European ASML?

> Europe needs a single market for capital and the removal of legal barriers to extend across the continent, foremost for the little guy.

?!?

You can trivially sell your software inside the EU. As for software that I use almost daily: OsmAnd. LanguageTool, which is spell-checking this message, is made in Germany. IntelliJ products are made in Czechia, and I'm using them right now.

karambahh•17m ago
Feels like you're addressing two different topics in one comment.

Legally speaking, a one person company can address the whole EEA market. From a marketing/sales standpoint yeah, sure, it's probably hard to address culturally different markets like Portugal, Poland and Sweden.

But it does not have much to do with regulations, especially not ones decided at the EU level.

I'm all for better integration but diverse cultures are here to stay....

Sample size of one, but done business in Italy, Spain, Belgium, France, Switzerland and Germany: main issues were not regulation related...

stackghost•12m ago
>Show me a European iPhone, European Microsoft, European Nvidia, etc.

The "avoid dependence on the US" movement only really started picking up steam with Trump's accelerating dementia in his second term.

The iPhone, Microsoft, and nVidia all took multiple decades to develop into the behemoths they are today. Famously, the first iPhone was actually expensive trash: no apps, no 3G, couldn't even cut and paste text. It wasn't until the 3G model and the App Store that it became a true success.

jmchuster•3m ago
> Famously, the first iPhone was actually expensive trash: no apps, no 3G, couldn't even cut and paste text.

Also famously, while the tech elitists complained about all of its shortcomings, the broader consumer market fully embraced it and it single-handedly drove an entirely new generation of consumer electronics.

puchatek•7m ago
I believe the EU inc initiative attempts to fix the capital aspect
redrove•4m ago
It’s just a shortcut for broken Germany to be able to found a company without a notary and 25000EUR.
g-mork•35m ago
Far more usable (and older AFAIK) site: https://european-alternatives.eu/
culi•27m ago
Very different sites with very different goals.

I think this post is useful if you are, say, a European that wants to find a nearby tech company to work for or are curious where the tech "scene" is at in Europe

m00dy•35m ago
we need european chip makers.
dadoum•15m ago
I think that it would require there to be a European chip demand. Today that demand is almost entirely for cars, so we only get mediocre car infotainment chips (+ a few other similar niches). There was more hope 20 years ago, when there were widely successful European mobile phone makers.
zabzonk•34m ago
If you are going to post a link to a site like this, please also say what point the link is making.
flobanana•31m ago
Using a European solution just because it’s European sounds wrong to me. Sounds like we’ve done this kind of nationalism in the past and failed. There are other reasons why Europe isn’t attractive for bringing these kinds of technologies to life, and investor money is only a small part of it. Especially in a company’s early days. Building a market reserved for mediocre tech solutions sounds like the wrong way to make Europe more independent.

Maybe Europe shouldn’t copy the nationalism, but governments should copy some of the reasons the breeding grounds in the US and China exist. Think about how they got that far, and especially how China caught up so fast.

breppp•28m ago
Creating mediocre alternatives sometimes pave the way for real alternatives as you create a talent pool.

China is an example, countries that had become technology independent through sanctions is another

redrove•26m ago
> Building a market reserved for mediocre tech solutions sounds like the wrong way to make Europe more independent.

You can’t foster excellence if you don’t reward it monetarily (enough).

No unified capital markets, no high reward as an investor.

As an employer/employee takes a year to fire people even when they don’t show up, ergo the incentive is to coast.

As a founder you’re buried in bureaucracy and taxes, so the incentive is to stay an employee.

It’s a trifecta of shit.

culi•25m ago
Europe isn't a nation.

And the whole point here is a more diverse alternative to the extreme dependency on the US tech companies

blackcatsec•23m ago
I think the depths of the answers here, particularly with China, are far beyond the scope of technical discussion and to be honest likely beyond the scope of European-specific tech needs. Just because the US did one thing a certain way, and China did it another way; doesn't mean Europe must follow either of those to be successful.

However, it is going to require public funds to achieve. A public/private partnership scenario is very likely at least the near to mid term future for European tech development. And the world can only stand to benefit.

Politically, nationalism is absolutely very bad and it's a shame the world is headed in this direction. This global distrust only serves chaos agents and accelerates us into another World War (if we aren't already in the early stages of one). I had hope that people would prefer to come together but it's unfortunately too risky with US politics.

vanviegen•23m ago
> and especially how China caught up so fast.

Isn't that largely nationalism and pressuring companies to use (initially) mediocre local tech solutions though? Once the market is there, quality catches up rapidly.

barrell•23m ago
Two counters:

1. I'm not sure China caught up so quickly due to any lack of nationalism.

2. There's an allure to working with an EU business because it's in the EU because they're less likely to jerk you around. You have no idea how many times I get told their in nothing they can do, then have to drop the 'I live in the EU and this is illegal' card, and magically the problem is resolved by the next email.

ArekDymalski•20m ago
>Building a market reserved for mediocre tech solutions sounds like the wrong way to make Europe more independent.

The traction which is proverbial "wind in the sails" for further development must come from somewhere. A new promotional channel might help with it.

Also I don't think it's any kind on nationalism. Just pragmatism for the very unstable times.

jimnotgym•16m ago
> Using a European solution just because it’s European sounds wrong to me.

That depends who you are, and what you are doing. If you have information stored such that having it in US infrastructure is a national security risk, then you might think differently.

>but governments should copy some of the reasons the breeding grounds in the US and China exist.

Which reasons should they copy? Massive government subsidies? Large grants masquerading as defence contracts? Threatening foreign governments to force market access with taxation lower than the native businesses? Are you saying European governments should favour European companies just because they are European?

raincole•13m ago
> especially how China caught up so fast.

Nationalism, but armed with actual law enforcement and economical support instead of good intentions and lip service.

SkiFire13•4m ago
> There are other reasons why Europe isn’t attractive for bringing these kinds of technologies to life, and investor money is only a small part of it.

And what are these other reasons?

breppp•31m ago
It took a minute to load the map points here, and I was sitting thinking this is an attempt at a clever joke
phaser•21m ago
Every time I see an idea like this (or a politician talking about tech 'sovereignty') I feel sad for the 20-year-old me who really believed in the declaration of the independence of cyberspace.

> Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel, I come from Cyberspace, the new home of Mind. On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather.

https://www.eff.org/cyberspace-independence

edit: formatting

andsoitis•5m ago
> I feel sad for the 20-year-old me who really believed in the declaration of the independence of cyberspace.

Cyberspace depends on physical reality and everything that comes from that. Resource constraints, economics, politics, arms races, warfare, etc.

jamesblonde•20m ago
They need to fix the addresses. In Stockholm, all of the companies are placed in the old town. At Hopsworks, we are in Sodermalm (hipster) - we are not old school money.
mikae1•13m ago
Was just looking at the map thinking: have the all moved to Gamla stan? :)
ph4rsikal•9m ago
Over the last 20 years, Europe has become irrelevant.

There is not a single European LLM on the same level as US or Chinese models. France's Mistral reached 400M in revenue, but I believe it could have been more relevant if the EU had not slowed everything down with overregulation.

DeathArrow•8m ago
I tried to find on that website the equivalents of Google, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, TSMC, Nvidia, OpenAI, Meta, Broadcom, Oracle but didn't succeed.
karel-3d•4m ago
European startups, when they are successful, will eventually end up being bought by Oracle or move to USA. Such is life.

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