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Iranian Students Protest as Anger Grows

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iranian-students-protest-as-anger-grows-89a6a44e
41•JumpCrisscross•1h ago

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redwood•48m ago
Brave heroes.
alephnerd•36m ago
FYI - in Persianate Islam (Shia and Sunni), the 40th day of mourning is extremely important, which is called Arbaeen, Chehelom, Chawlisan, or Qirq depending on the region. This is when mourners will conduct a procession.

It has been roughly 40 days since the massacres began, and something similar happened in 1979 during the revolution, which was largely sparked during the mourning period (chehelom) for the Qom Massacre.

The cynic in me feels that this must have been recognized by policymakers given how critical the motif of martyrdom is in Persianate culture as Ali Shariati, Ahmed Fardid, and Jalal Al-e-Ahmad - the three pillars of modern Iranian philosophy and culture, as well as the Shia undertones of the 1979 Revolution - have elucidated.

Edit: can't reply

> This just shows how bad the situation for our philosophy and culture have become in the last century...

I don't agree with their beliefs, but you cannot decouple a large portion of modern Iran from Shariati/Fardid/Al-e-Ahmad's motifs, which themselves are largely derived from Iqbal and Heidegger.

JumpCrisscross•24m ago
Is there a good book on “the three pillars of modern Iranian philosophy” that could serve as an overview to someone unfamiliar?
alephnerd•18m ago
The main primary sources I'd say are:

1. "Occidentosis: A Plague from the West" by Jalal Al-e-Ahmad

2. "Red Shi'ism vs. Black Shi'ism" by Ali Shariati

3. "Martyrdom: Arise and Bear Witness" by Ali Shariati

4. "The Purification of the Soul" by Ahmed Fardid

Most modern Iranian Shia philosophy is largely a synthesis of Heiddiger and Muhammad Iqbal ("Saare Jahan Se Aacha, Hindustan Humara"), as these Iranian philosophers were largely from Khorasan and Dari speaking so most were acquaintances with Iqbal, who popularized Heiddiger's thought across Persianate society.

Basically, if you synthesize Heidigger's concept of authenticity with the Persianate motif of martyrdom with a dose of Persianate chauvinism and Shia theology, you have what became Khomeinism.

It's basically Maoism but with the Marxist-Leninist and Confucian undertones replaced with Shia and Persianate undertones.

I also can't help but notice how both Mao/Li/Chen and Shariati/Fardid/Al-e-Ahmad were all members of the rural elite who faced dislocation when immigrating to urban society in the early 20th century.

Edit: can't reply

> Are there specific translations you’d call out

We had English translations published by the Iranian government at Widener Library. There might be similar ones online.

JumpCrisscross•4m ago
Are these texts accessible to someone without a lot of context for Persian culture? (Are there specific translations you’d call out?)
yolkedgeek•24m ago
> Ali Shariati, Ahmed Fardid, and Jalal Al-e-Ahmad - the three pillars of modern Iranian philosophy and culture

This just shows how bad the situation for our philosophy and culture have become in the last century...

I really wouldn't call these charlatans "pillars of modern Iranian philosophy and culture"

thunderbong•33m ago
https://archive.ph/P3QFa
Herring•19m ago
Good luck to them. None of the Arab Spring revolutions have gone well. 0/6
mmasu•12m ago
maybe the fact that Persians != Arabs will improve their odds. Recent uprisings had more luck (i.e. Bangladesh), even if it’s too early to fully assess their success
nickff•11m ago
The status quo in Iran isn’t going well either; the economy is terrible and getting worse, and the government is slaughtering its own citizens.
throwaway27448•9m ago
> the economy is terrible and getting worse

we could always stop punishing the people of Iran for their government...

JumpCrisscross•3m ago
> None of the Arab Spring revolutions have gone well

None of the Arab-Spring populations had democratic rule since, arguably, Carthage. Iran is different [1].

More importantly, Iran was recently a secular society. It has memory of education and freedom. Many Arab countries have been fundamentalist for their entire modern eras.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_classical_Iran

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