I only suggest Passwords because if you've used 1PWD for that long, odds are good you're on Apple HW/OS. It does everything we need in our household, including shared creds. One of these days I'll get off me arse and export the 1PWD stuff (IIRC, 1PWD->Apple PWDs is doable). Right now we use 1PWD as R/O, and all new stuff goes in Passwords.

> © 2025 1Password. All rights reserved. 4711 Yonge St, 10th Floor, Toronto Ontario, M2N 6K8, Canada

Though I don't know if they host all their servers in Canada or not.

Fee will move to something like Bitwarden and keepass

Sync the file to Dropbox. Available on all my devices. 2fa protection in password safe - yubi + password.

This is probably not the most secure system in the world but I've been using it for 10+ years. And it's free.

> After you set up iCloud for Windows, you can use iCloud Passwords to access your passwords in Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, or Firefox using a browser extension. You can also manage your passwords in the iCloud Passwords app.

Could be worth a try.

They're not wrong. I'm a geeky guy with a tech resume as long as your arm, and I'd really rather do something else beside research how to export 1PWD data to something else, then import to $TOOL_OF_CHOICE. I'm sure it's not all that hard, and maybe that's part of the problem: it's monkey work, not an interesting technical challenge, right up there with "clean the gutters".

How do you mean? You can export your passwords from the Apple app:

https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/export-passwords-iphf...

Does Apple have an Android or Windows app? Well, no, and if that's your meaning then I can see your point.

My biggest issue with 1Password has been 1) how intrusive it can be in the browser, especially on mobile when it's too proactive to show its dropdown and just gets in the way of my experience. I know this is challenging because a mobile device is a small screen, but it is incredibly frustrating. 2) how bad the Safari extension. It regularly fails to load at all.

Aside from that, while you're absolutely correct - 1Password is still relatively inexpensive, let's look at the improvements thet mention:

1. Automatic saving of logins and payment details

Isn't this what 1Password has always done or am I misunderstanding?

2. Enhanced Watchtower alerts

I haven't seen any of these alerts ever help me.

3. Faster, more secure device setup

This I have noticed. It is very convenient

4. AI-powered item naming

This is weak sauce. I don't care for "AI" to help me name my logins/accounts/etc.

5. Expanded recovery options

I'm not sure what this is and how it's different than what they've always offered on a Family plan.

6. Proactive phishing prevention

Fine, I guess.

So to cover those twelve dollars, the average Chinese worker will have to work three to four more hours a year just to have the same functionality, whereas the Indian average worker will have to work twelve to 24 more hours a year.

Does that help your struggle?

Firstly, the Apple Passwords app is slow as molasses, just really really bad. If you've got more than about 1000 items, it's almost unusable. That said, you very rarely have to use it, because password entry in Safari is perfect, and the menubar app for it doesn't have the same slowness problems.

One big gotcha though is that Apple Passwords thinks site1.example.com and site2.example.com are the same site. So if you log into site1, it notices that the password you used isn't the password for site2 and offers to update it. If you click yes, it will overwrite the password stored against every subdomain of example.com

Finally, password entry in other browsers is less than perfect. There's an extension for Firefox but it's clunky, and the experience is even worse in Orion. Don't know about Chrome as I don't like to have spyware on my computer.