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Two insider cases we've recently closed

https://news.kalshi.com/p/kalshi-trading-violation-enforcement-cases
14•fortran77•1h ago

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fortran77•1h ago
It was a Mr. Beast staffer who was insider-trading on the second case. See: https://thehill.com/business/5756511-mrbeast-editor-fined-in...
gnabgib•1h ago
From NPR yesterday? (6 points) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47156858

Or Axios yesterday (Kyle Langford + Artem Kaptur(Mr Beast Aid)) https://www.axios.com/2026/02/25/kalshi-insider-trading-susp...

mikestorrent•58m ago
Why do we need to allow prediction markets like this at all? It's just gambling dressed up as though it was a stock market. It's just horse racing at a massive scale... except for the hyperstition factor of it actually influencing world events. At least one can pretend, with the regular stock market, that one is investing in the success of a company; though we all know we're a long way from that.

There seems to be no prosocial reason for this whatsoever.

newAccount2025•43m ago
No doubt. Sports betting too. I’m a curmudgeon but we should completely unwind to the pre-lottery days when organized gambling was simply not legal.
mikestorrent•37m ago
I don't want to be an absolute killjoy about it; but IMO sports betting should be cash between you and a buddy watching the game down the pub. Anything past that - where a bookie gets involved, where the sums get bigger than a hundred bucks, that's when we really ought to stop, because it's just not a necessary action for anyone other than an addicted gambler. We're preying upon such personalities at scale. Entire people are working entire careers supporting such a thing - what a waste of human capital.

Similarly, I love the idea of the casino aesthetic, but the entire setup is designed to fleece you and to exploit the addicted. It was better when you had to go to Vegas to experience such a thing, but now casinos are everywhere, diluting the entire thing and making it sad instead of glamorous. Maybe it always was....

brg•39m ago
A good reason to allow it is because people want to do it and it is as relatively harmful as many other normative human behaviors.. A better reason is that it provides a means of measure real attitudes and opinions. The revealed prices afforded by prediction markets is interesting at the least, and possibly the best source of information for many of topics.
caditinpiscinam•19m ago
For what topics is it the best source of information?
Davidzheng•3m ago
Election odds, chance of US bombing Iran, and many others
PlunderBunny•37m ago
Polymarket and Kalshi have just been declared gambling under New Zealand law, and therefore 'investing' in them is now illegal for New Zealanders. Both companies have been ordered to stop providing services to New Zealanders [0]

0. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/587993/why-betting-on-to...

mikestorrent•36m ago
Nice job, Kiwis, hopefully that sets a trend, at least in the Commonwealth.
ameliaquining•29m ago
There are prediction markets on a number of questions (most prominently about politics) where people have good reasons besides entertainment value to want to know the answers.

I agree that it's disappointing that so much of it has ended up being sports betting, and would be in favor of targeted regulations to deemphasize that in favor of more socially useful topics.

mikestorrent•17m ago
We have this thing called a "survey"
Dylan16807•3m ago
Less accurate in a lot of situations and costs money to run. It's not a massive loss to use surveys but I see the appeal of prediction markets.
Analemma_•29m ago
I’ll admit that in my younger days, reading Bryan Caplan and Nassim Taleb, I got caught up in the starry-eyed fantasizing about prediction markets that was (and still is) widespread in the libertarian corners of the internet. Force people to put their money where their mouth is! Combining the wisdom of crowds with Superforecasters will lead to vastly improved decision-making! Prediction markets will be so accurate eventually we’ll run the government on them! It sounds so good on paper.

The reality has been rather different. It’s just another form of gambling that’s wrecking people’s lives, and it's not obvious to me that they’re even very good at forecasting, which might help make up for it (the absurdly overpriced markets re: “is LK-99 a room-temperature superconductor” were one example). It was an interesting hypothesis but a failed experiment: shut it down and move on.

mikestorrent•15m ago
Exactly. The problem is the same as a casino, though: we now have an "industry", we have thousands of people making their living through these companies; we have a niche that Someone Will Fill if we shut down the big players and create a vacuum. Imagine getting a city to shut down its casinos when it has all the tax income flowing from them... sucking its own blood, cutting off its nose to spite its face, some such analogy. Maybe eating more sugar will cure my cancer.
calvinmorrison•27m ago
Can I just get Joe Camel and smoking sections back please?

Every gas station in this traditional blue law state has beer and slot machines now!

Bring back Joe Camel!!

galangalalgol•17m ago
And original recipe Coca-Cola!
itake•8m ago
My understanding is the original value these markets create is the ability to hedge risk.

If you're worried an event may impact you materially (like cat 5 hurricane in Florida), then you can place a bet that the event will happen, thus hedging some risk if it does happen.

Insurance companies can participate in these products for the same reasons.

Or if you need to hedge against an event that isn't insurable. For example, if you are a high level democrat party leader and you will lose your job if a republican wins, you might take a bet to hedge your risk if your party looses the next cycle.

verdverm•56m ago
Shouldn't this come with legal consequences for the inside traders?

Having private platforms be judge, jury, and executioner doesn't seem right. Existing regulations ought to cover this no?

ameliaquining•41m ago
The question of what does and doesn't constitute illegal insider trading turns out to be surprisingly subtle, and can vary depending on the type of market. Prediction markets in the U.S. are legally treated as commodities, not as securities like stocks, and insider trading rules for commodities are in some ways less strict. (There are good policy reasons for this; you want to let, e.g., farmers hedge their exposure to the market prices of the stuff they grow, this being the principal reason why we have futures markets, and presumably they have inside information about how their crops are doing.)

Specifically, the CFTC's rules say that it's illegal to "misappropriate confidential information in breach of a pre-existing duty of trust and confidence to the source of the information" by using that information to inform your commodity trades. The MrBeast editor likely did that, but the gubernatorial candidate didn't (he didn't promise anyone that he'd keep his candidacy secret), so if it were just up to government regulators and not platform rules, he'd be in the clear.

Matt Levine writes about this a lot (and is both funny and astonishingly good at explaining the workings of financial capitalism to laypeople); most recently he did so about this particular case: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/newsletters/2026-02-25/kal...

verdverm•15m ago
Do you think prediction markets need regulation to reclassify them away from commodities likeness?
RyanShook•53m ago
Pretty sure insider trading on prediction markets is a feature not a bug. These cases are laughable compared to the true size of insider trading volume on platforms like Kalshi.
aresant•32m ago
Fascinating first principle to thinking about Kalshi 90% of it is sports betting - I assume a lot of their revenue is gambling law regulatory arbitrage atm

https://closingline.substack.com/p/the-takeaway-kalshi-non-s...

tyleo•24m ago
These platforms actually seem like a great way to run sports betting to me. Much better than what the actual companies are doing trying to write their own books and risking arbitrage.
pinkmuffinere•26m ago
Reading about these cases immediately makes me wonder how much I could get away with before being caught. I've never gambled on any of the prediction markets, but immediately I see the appeal of the game ("the game" being win the most money without being caught). The fact that I see the fun, really drives home to me how dangerous this can be.
buildbot•14m ago
I’m personally pretty confused how a private company can effectively fine people?
rootsudo•8m ago
This corporate messaging piece really falls flat.

So they caught $4000 and $200. Sounds very much like sacrificial pieces.

“yes but see they don’t tolerate insider trading!”

That’s it? One from a social media post by the own person who did it, and another in a slim market and had tips come in?

So it basically comes down to:

1. Don brag about doing something, that I’m not quite sure is illegal but supposedly breaks kalshis terms of service (oh no)!

2. Instead of operating in a thin t̶r̶a̶d̶i̶n̶g̶, sorry, prediction market pool, stick with ones that enable more plausible deniability?

If anything there should be more regulation against prediction markets like Kalshi or even elimination.

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