Hell, they’re already fighting the us, so what’s another nato member. And, given that the us initiated this current round of hostilities, “nato attacked” might invalidate any defensive clause. Particularly if there’s any us facilities there involved. Which, unfortunately might include embassies, etc.
Countries or governments facing elimination aren’t the most rational actors.
breppp•1h ago
> And, given that the us initiated this current round of hostilities
My guess is Article 5 could be invoked as this is an attack on an uninvolved NATO member. I wouldn't count on it though for other reasons
> Countries or governments facing elimination aren’t the most rational actors.
Even in a partially rational logic this is hard to explain. Qatar and Oman were their close friends but attacking might make sense because exerting pressure on the US might be more important, and that relationship is based on fear anyway.
Turkey is quite capable on its own and given this might end with Iran still standing, this is not (another) enemy they want to make
Worse yet, it was reported the US and Israel are planning to prop Kurdish forces in Iran, of which Turkey are fearful of any instance of national ambitions. So, in essence they could have been on Iran's side.
jleyank•1h ago
Countries or governments facing elimination aren’t the most rational actors.
breppp•1h ago
My guess is Article 5 could be invoked as this is an attack on an uninvolved NATO member. I wouldn't count on it though for other reasons
> Countries or governments facing elimination aren’t the most rational actors.
Even in a partially rational logic this is hard to explain. Qatar and Oman were their close friends but attacking might make sense because exerting pressure on the US might be more important, and that relationship is based on fear anyway.
Turkey is quite capable on its own and given this might end with Iran still standing, this is not (another) enemy they want to make
Worse yet, it was reported the US and Israel are planning to prop Kurdish forces in Iran, of which Turkey are fearful of any instance of national ambitions. So, in essence they could have been on Iran's side.
Hard for me to figure out a strategy here