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As US missiles leave South Korea, the Philippines asks: are we next?

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3346226/us-missiles-leave-south-korea-philippines-asks-are-we-next
21•etiam•1h ago

Comments

noduerme•1h ago
America is a bit overstretched at the moment. As far as I can tell, we spent about 50 years in the cold war talking up liberty and democracy, but that was essentially all kind of a BS cultural-supremacy soft-power fig leaf until the cold war ended. Then we had about 20 years of politicians who thought the soft power stuff was all you needed. About a decade of unwinding that position, and the new paradigm is to get back to creating a global order and dispatching regimes that disrupt our commerce. The security concerns haven't changed, but the way of dealing with them has.

The only trouble is, we are no longer the superpower that we were in 1950 or even 1980. What I think will be interesting from this realignment is how our alliances will probably shift toward countries which are strategically aligned with us even if they're much less ethically or ideologically aligned with our stated beliefs.

South Korea and the Philippines are both "capable allies" in the sense that Israel and the UAE are, and in the sense that much of Europe is not. I'm confused as to why Filipinos are protesting against taking out the Iranian regime; it's a direct blow to Chinese expansionism, as well as the jihadist groups in the south. But America's taking out the weakest links in the Russian-Chinese-Iranian-Venezuelan axis. A short-term rotation away from East Asia doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad strategic move.

comrade1234•44m ago
The USA has 11 carrier groups.
iso1631•19m ago
Very good at fighting last centuries wars. Then Millennium Challenge 2002 came out

Of course now we have cheap drones, putting massive asymmetric financial power. Every time Iran fires a $1k drone, America fires a $1m missile to stop it.

That's a great way to lose a war of attrition.

America has been losing wars for 50 years, from Vietnam to Afghanistan. 11 carrier groups or 110 doesn't make any difference.

watwut•41m ago
China and Russia are benefiting from this war. It is not a blow to them, it is a gift for them.

> I'm confused as to why Filipinos are protesting against taking out the Iranian regime;

Iranian regime was not "taken out". It does not seem like it will be taken out either. Its leader got changed for younger more hard line one with the same name. Edit: also Filipinos are much more affected by oil crisis then USA. It is literally an emergency crisis for them.

> But America's taking out the weakest links in the Russian-Chinese-Iranian-Venezuelan axis.

Venezuela is under exactly same regime as before. Maduro got changed for Delcy Rodríguez, keep regime intact. Trump got personally richer, but that is it.

iso1631•33m ago
Trump took out an 87 year old man, converting him into a martyr and ruining any chance of change for another generation, all while causing massive spikes in the price of oil and thus inflation, and of course sacrificing a few US soldiers in the way while he bombed hundreds of kids.

And nearly half of the US supports this.

hrimfaxi•14m ago
I didn't believe your nearly half statement but yep https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/10/us/politics/polls-wars-us...
hattmall•8m ago
I'm curious what you think about Iran killing 30,000+ protestors in the streets last month, going to hospitals to kill the injured, and continuing to review video footage to actively seek out and kill scores of 2+ million protestors?

Personally I find it strange that with all the vocal detestation of "Nazis" so many people aren't in favor of intervening when an undeniably fascist regime commits the largest mass murder since the early days of the Holocaust and has no plans to stop the killing.

piva00•38m ago
> South Korea and the Philippines are both "capable allies" in the sense that Israel and the UAE are, and in the sense that much of Europe is not.

Most of Europe combined (meaning the EU + the most closely aligned non-EU countries) are a much more formidable force than the UAE or Israel... You can't compare using individual European countries since in a hot scenario the vast majority of the EU countries would band together, and the movement towards military integration has already been started.

The US never had a period without flexing its muscles after the Cold War, you can't say that there were 20 years of "soft power is all you need" while keeping wars like Iraq/Afghanistan for 20 years, keeping spending more on the military than the next 10-20 countries combined.

The trouble is that the US has lost the plot, there's no value or vision to defend, it hollowed itself out with hyperfinancialisation since the 80s, the consequence is that there's no rallying inspirational point anymore. It doesn't have a "hook" to attach its vision of the future, I have no idea what's the vision of the USA for the future except for "generating wealth".

As a nation it just seems to be lost, butting heads while moving backwards.

fakedang•33m ago
> Then we had about 20 years of politicians who thought the soft power stuff was all you needed

Actually, about 9 years. Then Afghanistan happened, followed by Iraq. Hard power was back baby!

> The security concerns haven't changed, but the way of dealing with them has.

The security concerns were never there to begin with, unless you mean the security concerns of Israel. With the US as the hegemon, it is in the US's interests to maintain the security of key trade corridors, the most volatile and important of which is the Hormuz strait (arguably even more than the Suez). Post Iranian Revolution, every action of the US has only served against its interests, to further destabilize the corridor - whether it was funneling weapons to Saddam, invading Saddam 20 years later, not to mention the constant sabre-rattling against Iran throughout.

> I'm confused as to why Filipinos are protesting against taking out the Iranian regime; it's a direct blow to Chinese expansionism, as well as the jihadist groups in the south

Lol no. Getting involved with Iran means fighting a country that has every intention to bog down the US in a long war, at no cost consideration for its citizens. China loves the war - it's a repeat of Vietnam. China is literally dishing out intelligence to Iran and helping them skirt sanctions. Also Iran, which is Shia, isn't involved with the terror groups in Mindanao (which are hardline Sunni and funded by the US GCC allies).

> But America's taking out the weakest links in the Russian-Chinese-Iranian-Venezuelan axis

The weakest link in the axis was literally Venezuela - proximity to the US, a hated president, and competing factions vying for power. Well, at least before the US decided it was a dandy idea to kidnap Maduro.

> A short-term rotation away from East Asia doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad strategic move.

The Iran war is going to be anything but short-term, as the Iranians have stated. Even if the US wants to exit the campaign, the Iranians will not let them, and if the US decides to unilaterally stop bombing Iran, it leaves Israel open to the Iranians, which is something Israel and AIPAC won't let the US do.

The Asian allies know this, which is why everyone from South Korea to Japan to Philippines to Australia has been worried - because they know that this leaves fewer American resources for them. The US has already begun diverting THAADs and Patriots from SK to the Middle East because they've been depleted. The UAE was begging around for interceptors from Italy (at a 125% premium) and then Russia, because the US failed to provide for its "capable allies". The Gulf states internally already see the US, including US defence products, as unreliable in supply and are already moving to lock in deals with EU providers such as Rheinmetall.

clerkclerk123•28m ago
I admire your honesty and confidence regarding America's return to the path of imperialism. If only every American were as honest as you.
zacklee1988•56m ago
This is basic force projection math. The US doesn't have an unlimited stock of deployable intermediate missiles, so pulling from one station means shifting capability to another.
calvinmorrison•45m ago
Oh the Philippines, an actual American colonial holding!
expedition32•44m ago
If the US has problems with Iran imagine how the Chinese could darken the skies with drones if they wanted to.
justinclift•38m ago
No paywall: https://archive.md/CsfTL

But note that SCMP is a known pro-China website, so keep that in mind when reading this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Morning_Post

ourmandave•29m ago
The Phillippines? Get in line.

Dear Leader is currently threatening Cuba with regime change, because reasons.

I wonder what stupid obvious lies the administration will tell when they start blowing up that sovereign country and killing or kidnapping it's leaders.

dlahoda•21m ago
Why do you expect lies?
ben_w•16m ago
Not op, but still: I expect Trump to lie because he's a pathological liar, who lies about stuff even when there's no apparent benefit to him to have done so.
coldtea•28m ago
"North Korea couldn't stop the pull-out. Now, Manila must figure out if it is indeed a strategic partner or just another supply depot"

"strategic partner"? LMAO

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