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Malus – Clean Room as a Service

https://malus.sh
196•microflash•2h ago

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noemit•2h ago
is the motto, "Don't be good?"
psychoslave•4m ago
"I solemnly swear that I am up to no good" and their seal is ⍼.

https://www.hp-lexicon.org/magic/solemnly-swear-no-good/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47329605

https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2606:_Weird_Unico...

mushufasa•1h ago
"Change all your core software library dependencies to be unmaintained ripoff copies of those libraries." Sounds wise.....¡¡
roughly•30m ago
Sounds like my CTO. Overuse of LLMs in c-suites is like overuse of weed by teenagers - it may not cause delusions, but it sure seems to make them worse.
jakeydus•15m ago
Don't worry, I'm positive that we're only a few years out from realizing just how damaging both were/are.
ameliaquining•1h ago
Note for people who just briefly skimmed the site: This is satire.
adampunk•58m ago
For now
schmeichel•53m ago
Thank you for pointing that out, I genuinely was scratching my head and questioning if this site was serious.
chilipepperhott•42m ago
Yeah, thank you. I was starting to get a little heated.
embedding-shape•27m ago
Same, I got as far as "Finally, liberation from open source license obligations." until I went back to the comments.
dcchambers•29m ago
For now...
tgtweak•24m ago
The best satire is that which becomes reality.
TehCorwiz•19m ago
I would posit that the best satire is that which holds a clear enough mirror to society that people choose for it to not come to pass.
jajuuka•19m ago
I was wondering. I had heard chardet story and wouldn't be surprised to see others moving into that same space.
Lalabadie•12m ago
The situation is a bit too Torment Nexus-y for my comfort, thank you very much
Habgdnv•8m ago
At least you think that this is satire, until the author receives a DMCA from one of the big corps saying that he leaked the transcript of their last meeting
kifler•5m ago
Too late. Someone's senior executive management has probably already seen it and spinning up a new project to implement it.
scblock•1h ago
Presumably this is a joke, based on the "Success Reports" and the footer, among other things.

"This service is provided "as is" without warranty. MalusCorp is not responsible for any legal consequences, moral implications, or late-night guilt spirals resulting from use of our services."

observationist•1h ago
Not sure their attempted point lands the way they think it will. I view this as an unmitigated good. Open source every damn thing. Open the floodgates. Break the system.

I'd cheer for a company like this.

It seems to dance just on the other side of what's legal, though.

amiga386•32m ago
> I view this as an unmitigated good.

Then I don't think you've thought it through.

This entire software ecosystem depends on volunteering and cooperation. It demands respect of the people doing the work. Adhering to their licensing terms is the payment they demand for the work they do.

If you steal their social currency, they may just walk away for good, and nobody will pick up the slack for you. And if you're a whole society of greedy little thieves, the future of software will be everyone preciously guarding and hiding their changes to the last open versions of software from some decades ago.

You should read Bruce Perens' testimony in the Jacobsen v. Katzer case that explained all this (and determined that licensing terms are enforceable, and you can't just say "his is open mine is open what's the difference?")

https://web.archive.org/web/20100331083827/http://perens.com...

fallingmeat•1h ago
Love the product link in footer to "Emergency AGPL Removal"
bensyverson•1h ago
Oh no… VCs will see this and take it seriously
akovaski•37m ago
I think we've already seen this with "AI writes a web-browser" type PR. I guess we can still look forward to when they make license evasion an explicit part of their marketing. Then I can wryly laugh when somebody robo-whitewashes leaked commercial software, knowing that they'll get sued anyways.
hirako2000•1h ago
In this climate, it almost feels like it's not satire.
ceayo•1h ago
yay capitalism. thank god it is a joke!

> Those maintainers worked for free—why should they get credit?

ROFL

logdahl•1h ago
Haha, was extremely rage-baited by this. Thanks.
rhoopr•1h ago
> You have been so generous, so unreasonably, almost suspiciously generous, that you have made it possible for an entire global economy to run on software that nobody technically owns, maintained by people that nobody technically employs, governed by licenses that nobody technically reads. It is a miracle of human cooperation. It is also, from a fiduciary standpoint, completely insane.

Funny but true.

aprdm•57m ago
Isn't that the premise of Fallout ?
dmbche•26m ago
Nope!
killbot5000•15m ago
It's funny that humans working together for mutual benefit via any other mechanism than regimented corporate slavery is considered insane.
RandomGerm4n•1h ago
This time it's satire, but I bet someone will offer exactly that for real in the next few days. The idea is unethical but far too lucrative from a business perspective.
tetraca•59m ago
The people that will take this as a good thing unironically will just have their personal Yes Man do that work internally.
tripdout•56m ago
The joke is that the models have already seen the source code of said packages regardless, right?
dakolli•51m ago
I love these satirical sites that take a jab at how LLMs are (genuinely) ruining software.

See: https://deploycel.org/

amiga386•50m ago
I did try to upload a requirements.txt with "chardet < 7.0" in it ("Copyright (C) 2024 Dan Blanchard"? I don't think so buddy, it's mine now), but despite claiming otherwise, the satirical site only takes package.json so I uploaded the one from https://github.com/prokopschield/require-gpl/

It does actually generate a price (which is suspiciously like a fixed rate of $1 per megabyte), and does actually lead you to Stripe. What happens if someone actually pays? Are they going to be refunding everything, or are they actually going to file the serial numbers off for you?

torginus•47m ago
I have to admit It took me an unconfortably long amount of time to realize this was fake-
hmokiguess•40m ago
The fact that it took me the comments sections to understand this is satire speaks a lot about the current status of where things are going.

EDIT: Reading it again its quite obvious, I was just skimming at first, but still damn. Hilarious

phpnode•35m ago
This is satire, but I actually have built something that can do this extremely well as an unintentional side effect. I will not be building my business around this capability however
spudlyo•32m ago
malus, mala, malum ADJ

bad, evil, wicked; ugly; unlucky;

It's an interesting word in Latin, because depending on the phonetic length of the vowel and gender it vary greatly in meaning. The word 'malus' (short a, masculine adjective) means wicked, the word 'mālus' (long ā, feminine noun) means apple tree, and 'mālus' (long ā, masculine noun) means the mast of a ship.

mikepurvis•23m ago
Homonym of "malice" too. Honestly kind of a brilliant name.
lelandfe•22m ago
Mal: us
yomismoaqui•30m ago
I bet someone has already made this service for real.
ge96•30m ago
turd.png classy
alsetmusic•29m ago
This is brilliant satire. Wonderful response to the “rewrite” of chardet.

^ For those who haven’t been keeping up on the debacle.

rgilton•26m ago
It's interesting that the focus is just on open source licenses. If one can strip licenses from source code using LLMs, then surely a Microsoft employee could do the same with the Windows source code!
ebiester•25m ago
The frustrating thing is I also thought about this as a natural conclusion - but as a natural workflow that corporations will do when they see AGPL dependencies they want to use. (I also think there's a world where we start tightening our software bill of materials anyway.)

I do not believe it will ever again make sense to build open source for business. the era of OSS as a business model will be very limited going forward. As sad and frustrating as it is, we did it to ourselves.

boje•23m ago
Today's satire is tomorrow's reality, if the last 50 or so years is anything to go by.
gorgoiler•22m ago
…scanning… …fuming… …blood pressure rising… sees a quote attributed to “Chad Stockholder Engineering Director, Profit First LLC” …oh phew, thank god for that. I actually believed this could be real for a moment!
Goofy_Coyote•22m ago
It took me too long to understand it’s satire. BP went through stratosphere before I noticed.

Let’s hope one of these fake AI grifters doesn’t take this as a serious idea, raised a couple hundred million, and do real damage.

(I’m not against AI, I just don’t like nonsense either in tech, or people)

Pannoniae•22m ago
This is satire but this is where things are heading. The impact on the OSS ecosystem is probably not a net positive overall, but don't forget that this also applies to commercial software as well.

There will be many questions asked, like why buy some SaaS with way too many features when you can just reimplement the parts you need? Why buy some expensive software package when you can point the LLM into the binary with Ghidra or IDA or whatever then spend a few weeks to reverse it?

OkayPhysicist•12m ago
This is going to bring back software patents.
moralestapia•19m ago
Oof, this is unironically amazing!
ks2048•16m ago
"I used to feel guilty about not attributing open source maintainers. Then I remembered that guilt doesn't show up on quarterly reports. Thank you, MalusCorp." ◆ Chad Stockholder Engineering Director, Profit First LLC
agile-gift0262•14m ago
if it were true that indeed was legal to rewrite and relicense open source code, would that also be true for non-open source code? as in, could someone do a similar rewrite of their employers proprietary code and release it publicly?
bronlund•13m ago
If this site actually connects to Stripe, it's much more than just satire. It's a honeypot :D
duiker101•12m ago
Let's not give anyone ideas!
0xWTF•11m ago
There are two teenagers who learned about Malus in the last hour and have started figuring out how to actually build it, right now. They will not cite their source in their IPO statements.
spudlyo•10m ago
I do sort of wonder how the law might consider attempts at trying to apply a certain license to LLM generated code. Haven't the courts essentially said something to the effect of: "No human, no copyright protection"?
999900000999•9m ago
As a hypothetical.

Let’s say instead it consolidated a few packages into 1. This might even be a good idea for security reasons.

Then it offered a mandatory 15% revenue tip to the original projects.

So far GPL enforcement usually comes down to “umm, try and sue us lol”.

How much human intervention is needed for it to be a real innovation and not llm generated. Can I someone to watch Claude do its thing and press enter 3 times ?

typeiierror•6m ago
I know this is satire, but I have an adjacent problem I could use help with. In my company, we have some legacy apps that run, but we no longer have the source, any everyone that worked on them has probably left the planet.

We need to replatform them at some point, and ideally I'd like to let some agents "use" the apps as a means to copy them / rebuild. Most of these are desktop apps, but some have browser interfaces. Has anyone tried something like this or can recommend a service that's worked for them?

ensemblehq•3m ago
Interested to keep updated on this point. As a consultant, I've worked on transformation of legacy applications so this would help me greatly as well. We've worked on pretty archaic systems where no one knows how the system works even if we have the source code.
sourcegrift•1m ago
Amazon getting all excited hoping it's real.

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