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Peter Thiel's Antichrist Lectures

https://apnews.com/article/italy-peter-thiel-paypal-pope-vatican-c3a6c7d2daba501caf8152558ac2d743
76•aureliusm•1h ago

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karel-3d•1h ago
> It's me, hi,

> I'm the problem, it's me

- Taylor Swift, 2022

soco•48m ago
"Well of course I know him, he is me" (Obi-Wan Kenobi, 0 BBY)
edgyquant•1h ago
There’s nothing here about the lectures themselves just constantly repeating that Thiel is a bad guy who founded Palantir and works with republicans to the backdrop of a ton of ads.
kibibu•1h ago
Almost the entire article is about the response to the proposed delivery of his, frankly unhinged, antichrist lectures in Italy.

There's some context at the end about Thiels connections to the Trump administration. This is normal for reputable news agencies line AP, not everybody is as keenly aware of Thiel's influence as hn readers.

m000•58m ago
Don't you find it problematic that the only reason Thiel can organize these lectures is because he is a billionaire? Is he a bona fide scholar on the subject? Would any tenured theology scholar be welcome to hold the same lectures at the Vatican?

I guess that's what you get for electing an American as the Pope. /s

graemep•48m ago
The lectures were not given in the Vatican but somewhere nearby, and if you read the article you would see that all the Catholic institutions names denied involved with the lectures.
clarionbell•46m ago
He didn't give lectures at Vatican, not even at the Catholic university close to Vatican, and even Catholic University of America didn't have anything to do with it.
ZiiS•44m ago
I am very much not a billionaire; but I can hire a village hall and give a lecture on the antichrist. I may have to work a little harder to get as much press coverage but that is not what is stopping me.
donkey_brains•1h ago
“Who was the Antichrist? When would he arrive? What would he preach? What kind of SaaS offerings will he want to invest in?”
mexicocitinluez•11m ago
The funniest part about this is that he either IS or is good friends with the Antichrist he claims is returning.

What sort of mental gymnastics would be required to not only convince yourself the end of days is here, but that it's not directly being caused by the guy who is indiscriminately bombing foreign countries and spends each morning have a group of evangelical zealots call him the chosen one while praying on him.

actionfromafar•1m ago
From Zero to (1) Antichrist.
rokkamokka•57m ago
This is an attempt at a reverse Streisand effect, right? He didn't like people memeing that he was the antichrist, so he did all this so any searches would turn up his lectures rather than the memes/accusations.
3rodents•45m ago
No, he has been ranting and raving about the antichrist for at least a decade. He and JD Vance bonded over it.

https://www.wired.com/story/the-real-stakes-real-story-peter...

graemep•44m ago
Possibly, but I think he does believe it. it fits.

A Google search turns up the usual stuff (e.g. his Wikipedia page) and then a Youtube video accusing him of destroying democracy, so if that is what he is trying its not working: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=peter%20thiel&sei=tfWzadnD...

DonHopkins•55m ago
Takes one to know one.
silexia•55m ago
AI is the Antichrist.
DaedalusII•52m ago
the old saying goes that every entrepreneur wishes they were a philosopher, and every philosopher wishes they were an entrepreneur

generally holds true soros marc rich bill gates musk thiel nassim taleb epstein etc

benrutter•47m ago
I like that saying but those are all entrepreneurs right? Where are all the philosopher wannabe billionares? From my experience they seem pretty happy in relatively low paying professor jobs.
walthamstow•42m ago
> Where are all the philosopher wannabe billionares?

On Twitter, in my experience. The 'manosphere' is practically all philosopher-wannabe-billionaires.

mariusor•33m ago
I doubt that anyone could categorize the manosphere phenomenon as philosophy. Without empathy you can't really have philosophy. Or, at least not the kind that you can take seriously.
walthamstow•32m ago
I don't take them seriously. They do see themselves philosophers though.
RichEO•25m ago
It struck me as I was watching the new Louis Theroux Netflix documentary that the manosphere must love Nietzsche.
DaedalusII•35m ago
nassim taleb is primarily a philosopher who pretends to be a hedge fund guy, jordan peterson, robert kiyosaki, tim ferriss maybe, sam bankman fried, the tech lead yt

archetype is people who sell their success as a model for you to follow while having none themselves, wrapped up as some kind of philosophical position, so they can make money

lots of self help authors, failed vc funds, podcasts

dgxyz•46m ago
If he was on a park bench covered in his own piss no one would pay any attention to the same words.
camillomiller•18m ago
Funnily enough that sounds like a sexual fantasy that Peter Thiel might actually like to entertain.
nisegami•11m ago
Unfortunately, he's not on a park bench covered in his own piss and is instead the puppet master behind the VP of the US and a large chunk of the tech sector.
thrance•2m ago
[delayed]
lukan•44m ago
“Christians debated these prophecies for millennia. Who was the Antichrist? When would he arrive? What would he preach?”

Maybe that we all need to surrender all our data to an intransparent global surveillance tool, that gets more and more connected to automatic killer drones?

Oh and also despise democracy of course. Jesus Christ was on the side if the poor, so the antichrist would be on the side of the rich.

Any ideas who the new antichrist might be?

mattkevan•27m ago
Greta Thunberg, according to Thiel (seriously).
gmerc•43m ago
He’s appealing to the largest maga faction, fundamentalist christians because they are the kingmakers after Trump decays.
rob74•17m ago
He's not doing it directly, that's why his lectures are secr... er, invitation-only. Thiel is content to pull the strings from the background, he's not demen... er, fool..., er, courageous enough to actually accept a role with the Trump administration like Musk was.
seanalltogether•42m ago
I grew up in a pretty religious household and my parents fully believed that Armageddon would happen in our lifetime. It wasn't until I was older that I realized there were a lot of American Christians that secretly held this belief, and that it has a meaningful influence on how voters want American politicians to deal with Israel and the Middle East in general.
graemep•38m ago
It depends on the religion in the religious household. Its common among American evangelicals, but (unless American Catholics are very different from Catholics in the rest of the world) its not a common belief among Catholics, and its rarely discussed by them.

Why is Thiel, whose parents were American evangelical and whose own beliefs are described as "heterodox", trying to sell this in Catholic packaging outside the US?

kace91•35m ago
>its not a common belief among Catholics, and its rarely discussed by them.

I'll do you one further, as someone from a deeply catholic country: Considering the triggering of Armaggedon in daily politics is seen as batshit crazy.

sklargh•29m ago
American Catholics aren't really a monolith on this matter...or any. There are substantial differences between Catholics who seek out Jesuit parishes and those who seek out the Tridentine Mass and people who are just achieving physical presence and thinking about kickoff at 5:00 PM Sunday Mass to fulfill obligation and get out ASAP (no choir please, keep that sermon snappy). All of these are spiritually valid approaches imho.
trollbridge•7m ago
It remains a fact, though, that the Catholic Church doesn’t teach these things about Armageddon.
trollbridge•8m ago
It is not even a universal belief among evangelicals. The denomination/overall group Peter Hegseth is part of (conservative Reformed Christianity) expressly teaches against this, or even makes fun of it.

I would venture that it is less than half of Christians who believe in this idea at all. It does seem to be the domain of wild eyed TV evangelists though.

itsthecourier•56s ago
there was a Catholic reason for this, the Fatima Sheppards. there was an "apparition" of Virgin Mary and some "Prophecies" that were really imprinted on all Catholics over 50 years old. pretty much anti-russian propaganda. they silently pedal back from them in the last 25 years. but last time I visited sn important catholic monument internationally, most of the people in the bus knew about them, how they talk about the end of the world but never realized the Vatican already made them public all and it was a sham.
gambiting•27m ago
I grew up in a religious household as a Roman Catholic, in an extremely religious country(Poland) and I've never heard anyone talk about apocalypse as something that might happen soon or well...ever. From my point of view, the "christianity" that American Evangelicals practice is almost unrecognizable as having the same base with the religion I grew up with. Like the core tennets of Jesus have been twisted and warped to serve a very narrow political agenda. That's not to say Roman Catholics don't use religion for politics, but Evangelism is just.....next level?
kubb•16m ago
Well, even European Evangelicals are vastly different from their American counterparts. There's no megachurches, prosperity gospel, televangelism, and the religion is not as strongly intertwined with politics.
dep_b•7m ago
It’s almost like they reject the parts of the bible featuring Christ, and only cling on to the Old Testament and the parts after Christ as their guide.

In lack of a better word, that sounds more like anti-Cristian

kubb•21m ago
Out of curiosity, what grounds their belief that it's going to happen soon? Why not in a thousand years? As far as I know, there is no mention of the exact date in the Bible.
wyldfire•14m ago
The same self-centeredness that drove man to think that Earth was the center of its Universe.

See also: bean soup / "what about me?*

wl•14m ago
The land of Israel has been a vassal state or part of another state or empire for most of recorded history. Israel becoming an independent state in 1948 ties in with messianic prophesy.
sicher•9m ago
No, but even the first christians believed they were living in the end times. It's been believed for 2000 years.
dmurray•7m ago
It's a Pascal's wager. If you're convinced Armageddon is going to happen at some point, then you should do all you can to prepare for it happening in your lifetime. And that approach is explicitly encouraged in the Bible: "You do not know the day or hour", etc.
surgical_fire•14m ago
I think there's an extra layer of crazy there.

So, you (not you, a generic you) believe that Armageddon is happening in your lifetime, and the event is the literal moment when God will pour his Holy Wrath against unrepentant sinners in a final judgement as the world wraps up... And you, deeply religious as you are, will obviously go to Heaven, while all the annoying people you rightly hate will go to Hell, to be punished for eternity.

Considering this, is it not obvious that this hypothetical person would wish for Armageddon already? I mean, for you it is the final prize.

I believe these people don't want a future. They want the end.

salad-tycoon•36m ago
Anyone got a bootleg?
moffers•35m ago
Are these lectures available for anyone to look over or is it only for paying customers? I feel like if it was public it probably has the same weight as the Left Behind books did in the early 2000s.
mattkevan•29m ago
Behind the Bastards did a good two-parter on Thiel's lectures. He sounds dangerously insane.

It'd be bad enough if he was just some random crank, but the fact he's got the level of power and influence needed to actually make his beliefs happen makes it exponentially worse.

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtR7ny9TuCY

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXhyx-vVG_Y

camillomiller•19m ago
Genuine questions: what can be done in a democratic setting to stop him?

Who should take into their hands the job to stop him, and to what lengths should they push themselves?

avidphantasm•18m ago
What would China do to such billionaires run amok?
mattkevan•8m ago
Not agreeing as a society that money == speech would be a good start.
yuppiepuppie•3m ago
Ask yourself - where does his wealth (power) come from and how do you stop that?

In his case - I assume most of it is from Palantir these days. Therefore stop your governments from contracting with them.

beezlebroxxxxxx•2m ago
> Genuine questions: what can be done in a democratic setting to stop him?

Thiel is only "relevant" because he's wealthy.

In a system that allows wealth to equal political power, systematically weakening the impact of wealth on civic and political systems is an effective method. Whether that can be done in America, with the current understanding of the constitution and the current philosophy that many take towards taxation/wealth is questionable; but the idea that we can do nothing is just not true. We don't need to slide back into an era of 19th century robber barons and pseudo-aristocracy. If we do, it's because we largely gave up or allowed it to happen.

frereubu•27m ago
The thing that really worries me about these kinds of beliefs in some kind of a god or gods is that they can provide a get-out clause for existential risks to humanity. If this physical universe is just one manifestation of existence, then there's less to worry about because there will be some kind of existence afterwards if you screw it up. But in my view the universe is all there is, and it very definitely doesn't "care" if humanity cooks the planet in a way that makes human life impossible. If that's your view, the first priority of every single person should be to work towards stabilising the climate and reduce our impact on the enviromnent, but instead we have shiny-eyed millenarians piling billions of dollars into things like AI that could be much more productively used in funding an energy transition. (And don't get me started on the idea that AI will help that transition - we already know what we need to do, that isn't complicated, even if the route is complex).
hattmall•4m ago
>If that's your view, the first priority of every single person should be to work towards stabilising the climate and reduce our impact on the enviromnent

But why though? If that's what you believe and there's nothing more, we know the sun is going to explode and destroy everything and an asteroid impact is likely to happen that destroys even sooner than that, so why does that matter?

wnevets•26m ago
lecture is doing a lot of lifting.
dvh•23m ago
So many believe that rupture or antichrist arrives in their generation, because it would make them feel special. If they die before, it makes them unimportant.
piokoch•21m ago
Knowing what kind of business Peter Thiel is engaged in, it is not a big surprise that he does not like the religion started by a guy who was crucified for telling others that it would be great if people were nice to each others.
fabian2k•20m ago
It is disconcerting to see that quite a few of the well-known billionaires seem to have just outright insane beliefs. And those are people with real power and the ability to influence events on a larger scale.
jatari•13m ago
It doesn't seem that supprising. You need a certain level of narcissism/sociopathy to have the drive to become a billionaire in the first place.
tootie•20m ago
Some reporting on the contents of the speech from last year:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/10/peter-thiel-...

It's suitably insane rambling nonsense. It actually seems to dovetail pretty well with Andreesen's manifesto in that evil is portrayed as anyone who opposed relentless technological progress at any cost. If you worry about the economic or human effects of tech oligarchs (Grete Thunberg is named as a candidate) then you are preparing your evil army for the final battle. Seeking to regulate AI also makes you a candidate.

trollbridge•4m ago
“People who oppose what I want to do are the antichrist” is one step away from “I’m Jesus!”, which is something you normally hear in mental wards.
kylecazar•16m ago
I've listened to several of his antichrist talks and remain confused by his stance. He's imprecise on the topic and rambles often, but in my opinion it boils down to one of a few options:

1) These are actual good faith views that are inspired by his own piety

2) This is some chess game he thinks he's playing in which he erects the world government/ totalitarian state as signals of the antichrist, with Thunberg and other "woke" leaders as candidates, because they pose a risk to his business interests. Peace and safety are the enemy because they undermine Palantir

3) He is too rich/disconnected and has disappeared up his own ass

d--b•15m ago
South Park season 28 has Peter Thiel as an exorcist trying to cure Cartman's devilish obsession with 6-7.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park_season_28

aestetix•14m ago
There were a few news outlets (I think maybe the Washington Post?) that got copies of recordings of these insane lectures when Peter Thiel did them in San Francisco. I think it would be in the public interest for them to release the lectures in full.

Maybe people should put some pressure on these outlets to do so.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm•14m ago
If you mention Israel or anyone from Israel you get auto-flagged. Criticising Americans is somehow much more tolerable.
lo_zamoyski•12m ago
“has proven so controversial that the Catholic universities initially associated with it have all denied official involvement”

Journalists have a real knack for warping banal things into sensational, ominous nonsense. The implication here is that that universities are monolithic coordinated machines with a single voice where all things are organized top-down. Some club here is hosting this event. That’s it. We had clubs at university that did the same thing. The quoted passages read like factual answers to questions posed by journalists to the Angelicum’s and CUA’s communications offices, not some frantic “distancing” or gotchas. They probably don’t care one way or another.

“the Catholic magazine First Things”

Not officially Catholic. Ecumenical is perhaps a better term. Even that word is not accurate, as there are plenty of contributions from Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, atheist, etc writers.

“an ancient Christian concept of the order of love, received a famous slapdown from Pope Francis […] Prevost shared an article […] with the headline, ‘JD Vance is wrong: Jesus doesn’t ask us to rank our love for others.’”

Charitably, Francis and then-Prevost were critical of what they privately perceived as a misapplication or misunderstanding of this principle, not the principle itself. Prevost’s own Augustinian order draws heavily from St. Augustine who expounded the concept of ordo amoris/ordo caritatis. The concept isn’t an endorsement of national chauvinism, but merely that our love must be prioritized and ordered. It is a moral obligation and is simply part of and entailed by the natural law.

In any case, I don’t see any relevance to the article. It’s like some mish-mash of disconnected propositions held together by dubious or meaningless associations to imply something significant has taken place. Or would have sufficed to say “Peter Thiel lecturing on the Antichrist in Rome”.

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