It's basically outsourcing to mediocre programmers - albeit very fast ones with near-infinite patience and little to no ego.
Does the study normalize velocity between the groups by adjusting the timeframes so that we could tell if complexity and warnings increased at a greater rate per line of code added in the AI group?
I suspect it would, since I've had to simplify AI generated code on several occasions but right now the study just seems to say that the larger a code base grows the more complex it gets which is obvious.
This doesn't equate to a faster development speed in my eyes? We know that AI code is incredibly verbose.
More lines of code doesn't equate to faster development - even more so when you're comparing apples (human written) to oranges (AI written)
Then there's the question of if LoC is a reliable proxy for velocity at all? The common belief amongst developers is that it's not.
ofc that doesn't take into account the useful high-level and other advantages of IDEs that might mitigate against slop during review, but overall Cursor was a more natural fit for vibe-coders.
This is said without judgement - I was a cheerleader for Cursor early on until it became uncompetitive in value.
So overall seems like the pros and cons of "AI vibe coding" just cancel themselves out.
rfw300•1h ago
If a module becomes unsustainably complex, I can ask Claude questions about it, have it write tests and scripts that empirically demonstrate the code's behavior, and worse comes to worst, rip out that code entirely and replace it with something better in a fraction of the time it used to take.
That's not to say complexity isn't bad anymore—the paper's findings on diminishing returns on velocity seem well-grounded and plausible. But while the newest (post-Nov. 2025) models often make inadvisable design decisions, they rarely do things that are outright wrong or hallucinated anymore. That makes them much more useful for cleaning up old messes.
joshribakoff•1h ago
SR2Z•1h ago
In theory experienced humans introduce less bugs. That sounds reasonable and believable, but anyone who's ever been paid to write software knows that finding reliable humans is not an easy task unless you're at a large established company.
verdverm•1h ago
MeetingsBrowser•1h ago
In my experience, they are not even close.
MeetingsBrowser•1h ago
Its the same reason a junior + senior engineer is about as fast as a senior + 100 junior engineers. The senior's review time becomes the bottleneck and does not scale.
And even with the latest models and tooling, the quality of the code is below what I expect from a junior. But you sure can get it fast.