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We broke 92% of SHA-256 – you should start to migrate from it

https://stateofutopia.com/papers/2/we-broke-92-percent-of-sha-256.html
55•logicallee•1h ago

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logicallee•1h ago
In the linked work, we've broken 92% of SHA-256 across its full 64 rounds, and were encouraged to publish it by the leading cryptographer in the field (who held the previous record). Currently, SHA-256 is the basis of TLS certificates, bitcoin, and many other security applications. We think it is time to begin to migrate to other hash families, because we expect the rest of SHA-256 to fall soon.
Freak_NL•32m ago
Why omit the name of the leading cryptographer in the field?
rdtsc•23m ago
Pretty sure his first name is Claude. He is quite good I hear ;-)
polotics•19m ago
shallow broad vague boastful and wordy, this way you know the LLM is nearby...
thadt•19m ago
They specifically call out Yingxin Li[1] in the acknowledgements section of the paper?

[1] https://eprint.iacr.org/2024/349

vl•31m ago
What does it mean to “break broken 92% of SHA-256“?
hagbard_c•18m ago
As long as there is no verification of the results and their relevancy in reaching higher numbers it means as much as nearly having won the lottery by guessing 9 of the 12 numbers correctly: you did not win the lottery.
skullone•20m ago
Go seek a mental health professional and never post here again until you have been diagnosed and medicated.
jimjeffers•34m ago
Is this real? The website does not look credible.
bhouston•32m ago
This hn post is made by author of the paper. It needs even a tiny bit of peer review.
pixelpoet•33m ago
Are you sure you asked enough times for money on the website? I only counted 5 instances, not counting the AI-produced PDF doc.
pavel_lishin•32m ago
> Secure hash functions are used to make a short version of a large file. Ideally, it has several properties including making it infeasible to find two files with the same cryptographic hash. We've just gotten 92% of the way there. This has security ramifications in that other researchers are expected to be able to complete the work through similar methods as explored in the paper. We weren't sure if this was a remarkable result, since it's not a full collision

I thought this meant they were able to generate collisions for 92% of files/hashes they tried, but it sounds like they're able to generate hashes that are 92% identical?

jrexilius•26m ago
Is a partial collision an indicator that it could be broken? The "we broke it" seems an exageration, but maybe that's a failure of my understanding.
kstrauser•31m ago
For a shorter executive summary, what does "broke" mean here? Can you reliably produce collisions now for 92% of SHA-256 digests?
helterskelter•29m ago
I'm skeptical.
mkeeter•28m ago
The "Intermediate Report" [1] lists the authors as "Robert V. and Claude (Anthropic)". Is there any reason to believe this is not AI hallucinations?

[1] https://stateofutopia.com/papers/2/intermediate-report.pdf

wonnage•28m ago
Seems more like a case study in AI psychosis
Avamander•25m ago
Indeed, the text feels very LLM-written.
bob1029•27m ago
The neat thing about bitcoin is that the incentive to break it is so high that it would almost certainly be the first place you would learn that SHA2 had been broken. Not on a website like this. I can verify its integrity by opening robinhood on my phone.
Kikawala•27m ago
We publish this work as responsible disclosure. While a full SHA-256 collision (sr = 64) has not yet been achieved, the tools and techniques presented here represent significant methodological advances that bring it closer. Organizations relying on SHA-256 for collision resistance should begin evaluating migration paths to SHA-3 or other post-quantum hash functions. The cryptographic community should treat the collision resistance of SHA-256 as having a finite and shrinking safety margin.
drum55•25m ago
> it is possible that we'll find relations that carry across the entire double-SHA-256 pipeline

Bitcoin mining is a partial second preimage of 0x00 though, not a collision, that statement just seems to be so outside the realm of what they’re claiming to have done. Even MD5, the most widely known to be broken hash, would be secure when used in the same way bitcoin uses SHA256 (other than being too short now, bitcoin miners have done 80 bits of work at this point many times over).

Taterr•24m ago
Their homepage states this is some sort of "AI-governed nation" https://stateofutopia.com/
rdtsc•24m ago
From https://stateofutopia.com/papers/2/intermediate-report.pdf

> his report was generated on 2026-03-22 as the final artifact of the SHA-256 Cryptanalysis Research Project. Collaboration: Robert V. (research direction, strategy) and Claude/Anthropic (implementation, computation).

This Claude guy is pretty prolific it seems.

But I'll wait for some known cryptographers to chime in

bem94•23m ago
I'd expect a finding / paper like this to be submitted to the IACR ePrint server [1] to bring it to the attention of the cryptographic community. I can't see that it's been submitted yet.

Venue should not imply credibility but in this case it would certainly help bring the proper scrutiny.

[1] https://eprint.iacr.org/

newobj•22m ago
S-tier schizoposting
skullone•21m ago
ROFL
MostlyStable•20m ago
I know people (especially around here) hate it when people just post AI output, and I generally agree, since it is trivial for anyone else who is interested to do the same thing. However, the majority of the comments here are from people seemingly asking the author (or someone else) to explain how significant this is, without having taken that step themselves. So while I normally wouldn't do this, in this case it seems helpful. Claude thought the paper was interesting and had a novel cryptographic technique, but that the claims of near-term breaking of the SHA-256 algorithm to be unsupported. Here's the conversation:

https://claude.ai/share/b10b95ef-5d9f-43dd-9005-3d1d89f9dbc1

dylan604•8m ago
Does the fact that Claude wrote the paper help Claude to think the paper was interesting? <facepalm> I'd suggest sticking to your "I don't normally do this" idea

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