Proper reflection is exciting.
Also, useful: https://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx-status.html
Here's a quote from Bjarne,
> So go back about one year, and we could vote about it before it got into the standard, and some of us voted no. Now we have a much harder problem. This is part of the standard proposal. Do we vote against the standard because there is a feature we think is bad? Because I think this one is bad. And that is a much harder problem. People vote yes because they think: "Oh we are getting a lot of good things out of this.", and they are right. We are also getting a lot of complexity and a lot of bad things. And this proposal, in my opinion is bloated committee design and also incomplete.
Note that this is not the end of contrats. This is a minimun viable start that they intend to add to but the missing parts are more complex.
mohamedkoubaa•1h ago
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m-schuetz•58m ago
Xraider72•55m ago
yes you have CPM, vcpkg and conan, but those are not really standard and there is friction involved in getting it work.
StilesCrisis•36m ago
Once big companies like Google started pulling out of the committee, they lost their connection to reality and now they're standardizing things that either can't be implemented or no one wants as specced.
hrmtst93837•7m ago
zarzavat•1h ago
It's nice to have new features, but what is really killing C++ is Cargo. I don't think a new generation of developers are going to be inspired to learn a language where you can't simply `cargo add` whatever you need and instead have to go through hell to use a dependency.
luka598•53m ago
mgaunard•29m ago
C and C++ are usually stuck in that antiquated thinking that you should build a module, package it into some libraries, install/export the library binaries and associated assets, then import those in other projects. That makes everything slow, inefficient, and widely dangerous.
There are of course good ways of building C++, but those are the exception rather than the standard.
stackghost•11m ago
What are the good ways?
NetMageSCW•8m ago
groundzeros2015•46m ago
mgaunard•41m ago
The standard was initially meant to standardize existing practice. There is no good existing practice. Very large institutions depending heavily on C++ systematically fail to manage the build properly despite large amounts of third party licenses and dedicated build teams.
With AI, how you build and integrate together fragmented code bases is even more important, but someone has yet to design a real industry-wide solution.
ho_schi•13m ago
https://mesonbuild.com/
And Mesons awesome dependency handling:
https://mesonbuild.com/Dependencies.html
https://mesonbuild.com/Using-the-WrapDB.html#using-the-wrapd...
https://nibblestew.blogspot.com/2026/02/c-and-c-dependencies...
I suffered with Java from Any, Maven and Gradle (the oldest is the the best). After reading about GNU Autotools I was wondering why the C/C++ folks still suffer? Right at that time Meson appeared and I skipped the suffering.
Feel free to extend WrapDB.jjmarr•1h ago
What'll spur adoption is cmake adopting Clang's two-step compilation model that increases performance.
At that point every project will migrate overnight for the huge build time impact since it'll avoid redundant preprocessing. Right now, the loss of parallelism ruins adoption too much.