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My son pleasured himself on Gemini Live. Entire family's Google accounts banned

https://old.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/comments/1s92fql/my_son_pleasured_himself_in_front_of_gemini_live/
110•samlinnfer•1h ago

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testbjjl•1h ago
Honestly, making the content unavailable for anyone who hasn’t already downloaded it by blocking the entire account is probably not the worst thing. Also, family account?
falcor84•1h ago
>Also, family account?

My understanding is that Google banned all users that had been logged into that family device.

tartoran•23m ago
Why not ban the offending account only? Is there a logic i'm missing?
xvxvx•1h ago
Mark my words: they’ll make a movie about this but change his age to 18.

The whole family. Including his 2 sisters… what a nightmare.

AtheistOfFail•33m ago
This Summer: Bad Wank, from the people who brought you Bad Blood.
0xy•1h ago
Outsources parenting to megacorp, complains when megacorp shows responsible behavior instead of him, the absent parent more concerned with his business than his son.
chung8123•1h ago
That feels a bit judgemental. Kids make mistakes despite how much good parenting you give them. It is not like he didn't take precautions with parental controls and at 14 you have to trust them a bit.
nsingh2•55m ago
Really uncharitable take. I did stupid things at 14, and had more unrestricted internet access too.

> absent parent more concerned with his business than his son

I don't know how you came to this conclusion from the post.

latentsea•30m ago
Parent of the year over here.
smuhakg•18m ago
If a 14 year old engaged in erotic roleplay with a sexual predator over Google Meet, would you be saying the same thing?
tshaddox•13m ago
I would say that Google should not ban the victim’s family members’ account in that scenario.
neonstatic•1h ago
The terrifying part is how much one can be dependent on services from a single company, that may at some point simply decide to not do business with you. Whether they have good reason for that is secondary. I moved away from relying on Google a while ago when I noticed, that I have zero recourse in case something happens. Turned out to be a sensible decision. I still use my google account, but only for things I wouldn't miss if I the account was nuked.
tartoran•27m ago
Not everyone is aware how Google operates in cases like these until it happens. . Whether Google don't want to do business with people breaching some rules is one thing but to lock away all their data is something that does not make much sense to me, only highlights how their service should not be depended on. Also to ban all people who may have logged in from a device but who have done nothing wrong is bad policy. From do no evil to this...
robomartin•25m ago
I thankfully learned that lesson about twenty years go. Google had a product that allowed you to park domains with them for ad insertion to generate some revenue. Owning over 400 domains at the time I though, why not?

The process through which you parked the domains with Google entailed loading a file with the list of domains, after which each one would, in turn, be approved or denied. All 400+ domains were approved.

A few days later I received a cryptic message about unusual click activity on the domains and the Google account I had at the time was shut down immediately without recourse. I visited a few of the pages (not all 400, maybe a dozen) as they were approved to see what they put on them. Of course I did not click on anything. I might be accused of being stupid, but I am not an idiot. Besides, I pretty much knew the income would be a rounding error, maybe a few cups of coffee per year, maybe.

Well, nobody to call, text, email or send smoke signals to. Nothing.

That's when I decided I would never do business with Google. All I use from them is search. That's it. Nothing else. I can't trust them with anything that is business related and anything personally important.

Gmail? No way. I pay for Zoho mail for all the email accounts for my businesses and I am very happy about the product, the service and the isolation from a despotic company that can shut down your life in a microsecond.

eviks•4m ago
> I would never do business with Google. All I use from them is search. That's it. Nothing else.

Given that's their main business and they are likely to graveyard whatever domain penny business you've got burnt by anyway, you're still doing a lot of business with them

gxs•10m ago
For this reason I’m as diversified as possible while still maintaining some level of convenience

I try and not depend on a single vendor for everything and I don’t use the same email for all services - with auto email forwarding and password managers there’s just no reason to

My services are spread across Apple, Google, and other third party services for other email, storage, music, etc

I’m trying to think of what it would be like if this happened to me and it’d be annoying for sure, but not catastrophic

I do recommend having your own domain for email for certain accounts - I don’t do it for all services because sometimes it’s just easier to say email@gmail.com vs risking typos etc with a custom domain

I still use main stream services of course, I’m not that hardcore and like convenience like I said, but so what I can to avoid these types of headaches

hyperhello•1h ago
Where the hell is the open source app that downloads all your google stuff? There is a huge opportunity to be a hero.
lkbm•59m ago
Google Takeout[0] seems to have basically everything selected by default, so I don't see a need for another tool.

[0] https://takeout.google.com/

mdni007•33m ago
Most people who use Google services don't know about this or simply do not have bare minimum technical knowledge required to set this up or even know why they would need to do backups
nosrepa•55m ago
Why do you need an app?

https://takeout.google.com/

buildbot•31m ago
Takeout always fails for me, with ~11TB of data in Google Drive.
xnx•28m ago
Google Drive files you can sync to local disk via the Windows or Mac app.
UltraSane•12m ago
Why would you use takeout to download Google Drive contents when syncing to your local computer is its entire purpose?
saulpw•31m ago
Timelinize[0] has been at this for awhile on several platforms.

[0] https://timelinize.com/

sourcegrift•59m ago
Google will be a better monopoly than Microsoft i promise.

GitHub is great, I know it in the heart of my hearts.

Steam is owned by literal reincarnation of Jesus Christ, they'll never turn on me.

Loyalty is of course a quality of a decent human being. But not loyalty to corporations that you trade fair with, or worse, use YOU as a product

iamnothere•49m ago
This kind of thing is not the only modern example of guilt by association, but it’s probably the most common. (Not this specific event, I mean the banning of “cloud” accounts based on proximity.)

There is a reason that we once eliminated this idea. It’s a stain on a free society and a constant drag on the economy. Corporations embracing this tactic are laying the groundwork for a terrible future.

nozzlegear•49m ago
This was kind of an interesting comment from that thread. "Just invoke GDPR" is a refrain that's oft-repeated on Reddit (and, dare I say, HN), but it didn't seem to do much in this person's case:

> I did an SAR with Google last year and it took over a month for a single account. It also ended up containing very little because of the way they decide what is and isn’t ‘personal data’, e.g. for the one I used for work, they outright refused to release most of it apart from specific emails and docs where I was mentioned by name because the email address was a standard contact@mywebsite.com (which to be fair is correct grounds for refusal). They were very helpful in padding out the SAR release by re-sending the emails of me requesting the SAR, and also redacted the data protection employee name whom I was conversing with though lol.

> For SARs themselves there’s also grounds to refuse if they think it might interfere with potential future legal investigations, which given the ban reason I suppose isn’t an impossibility but unlikely.

1123581321•48m ago
It sounds like the son was desperately using the linked family accounts he had access to as the previously used accounts became banned. But he only admitted to doing it on his own account.

That would account for the time it took for the bans to spread, and for why the son came clean a few days later instead of right away or never.

Brutal situation; hope the can restore access.

Nevermark•30m ago
The common device would have been enough.

Hosts feel like they have everything to lose by not banning problematic accounts, everything to gain by performatively burning anything “sketchy”, and nothing to lose by the inevitable automated over banning.

I almost lost everything because I used a state ID that was not a drivers license (which i did not have at the time), in combination with another complication that was “caused” by a recent move between states.

It made zero sense if you are not an automated system, and would have been devastating if I hadn’t figured out a path through it. I spent three weeks under enormous stress, as my savings, among other things, were needed to pay off the majority of my house right then.

But despite the insanity, it was easy to see the pedantic digital “reasoning” that was happening.

The mass centralization and automation of commerce is pushing us into dystopia. Brazil.

We are not safe. I mean that. Until laws make corporations responsible for these kinds of harms, with fines on the order of historic fortunes, if they don’t, it is going to get worse.

The “mind boggling fine” part makes for a hard sell. But it is the only way to create balance against the mind boggling levels of centralization and profits that insulate these companies of any personal individual level ethics.

Mistletoe•46m ago
I’m just over here trying to understand why or how you would do that to Gemini Live.

>Visual Context: On mobile, you can choose to share your camera feed or screen. This allows you to ask questions about what you are looking at in the real world or get help with tasks on your device.

>Common Use Cases • Brainstorming: Talking through ideas for a project or event. • Role-playing: Practicing for a job interview or a difficult conversation. • Learning: Asking deep-dive questions about a complex topic while you're on the go. • Daily Tasks: Getting help with things like gift ideas, travel itineraries, or summarizing information from your screen.

latentsea•31m ago
You underestimate people.
elephanlemon•29m ago
Google really needs to do something about this. It’s one thing for them to stop doing business with you, it’s another to withhold your data from you (in particular after they set up their services such that you’re inclined to store everything with them). Every time I read one of these stories it reminds me that I really need to break away from them.

I currently use Google Voice for almost all SMS 2FA after a nightmare scenario where I realized that the mobile carriers are entirely susceptible to social engineering and will happily port your number to an attacker’s phone. I planned to switch to Fi as they are probably the only one that this is not susceptible to… but if I were to lose both email and phone access I’d really be fucked.

elevation•28m ago
If I ever become a life coach for small business owners, I don't know how I can recommend GSuite. Horror stories of "I've lost everything I had with them" are so plentiful I've stopped saving them. Seems like even Microsoft is not as bad.
orbital-decay•15m ago
What would Microsoft do in such a case? Unlikely to be any different.
apt-apt-apt-apt•16m ago
There's a story of an OnlyFans star who slept with Meta employees "in hopes" of getting her IG account unbanned, which worked.
desultir•6m ago
suggesting this to OP?
koolba•15m ago
This is the exact scenario I described one month ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47195943
elephanlemon•13m ago
Jeez, really gives you incentive not to use Gemini.
neko_ranger•13m ago
yo I'm not an anxious person but this has set it off. If it truly is anyone who had logged into the same device, I wonder if a system reset keeps you clean from any bad accounts going forward. For example if I system reset and sold a tablet on craigs list
vessenes•13m ago
Oooof. This is going to take a lawyer. A team of lawyers. Everything on that account has no doubt been LOCKED down for CSAM-grade review. I'm just imagining how you'd get a judge to help you here. You'd need to have found an acceptable third party that would do the data access, you'd have to agree on an attorney's eyes only list of data that you'd request.. Any chance anyone might possibly access CSAM = no. Any chance someone might possibly try and delete CSAM = absolutely no.

I don't know what the OP does for work, but almost certainly it's going to be easier to just start over with a new website. Maybe get the daughter's laptop taken to a data recovery specialist and try and pull browser history for the thesis.

troad•12m ago
God, this is a real nightmare. I'm pretty reticent to rush to regulation, but I really don't know what other solution is even possible here.

The average person cannot realistically exist in a digital vacuum, self-hosting their entire online world. Google should not be able to do this to them.

No one should have to rely on trying to whip up public mobs on Reddit or HN to get Google to give them access to their own freaking tax spreadsheets.

eviks•8m ago
Are you not aware of a million of dedicated competitive services for each of this to jump to "self-hosting" as the only alternative?

> All my emails, all my documents saved in Google Drive.

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I think raising public awareness is a great escalation channel for severe (and complicated) cases that require bureaucratic help from senior people. We do this for other things (like screaming fire, finding lost kids, or finding organ donors)

We built an O(1) KV Cache for LLMs (Qwen2.5-7B Colab inside)

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