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Artemis II will use laser beams to live-stream 4K moon footage at 260 Mbps

https://www.tomshardware.com/networking/artemis-ii-will-use-laser-beams-to-live-stream-4k-moon-footage-one-giant-step-beyond-the-s-band-radio-comms-of-the-apollo-era
83•speckx•1h ago

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xattt•1h ago
Hopefully, the footage is better than the missed pan up at lift-off, and showing spectators at the time of booster separation.

I understand funding cuts and all, but this is a once-in-a-generation moment and it’s filmed with no apparent effort whatsoever.

piyh•51m ago
Crazy that a dude from Iowa and his ragtag group of rocket watchers does a better job with launch coverage than NASA. I can't believe they cut away during booster separation. Absolute shit show.
therouwboat•44m ago
maybe they should turn back and do it again
ssl-3•21m ago
This isn't the last run for this rocket, is it? We'll do it again.

And when we do it again, maybe we should pay the dude from Iowa (who has made a career out of things like streaming rocket launches on video) to provide his team's shots and editing for the official live feed when launch time comes up.

reaperducer•18m ago
We've already seen what happens when you allow social media types to infect the government.

Let's not foster any more of it.

reaperducer•19m ago
Crazy that a dude from Iowa and his ragtag group of rocket watchers does a better job with launch coverage than NASA.

You may not have noticed, but NASA was also launching an actual rocket at the time. Conducting a livestream and conducting a livestream while launching a rocket to the other side of the moon are hardly equivalent.

Absolute shit show.

You have a remarkably low threshold for "shit show."

ssl-3•16m ago
So an organization as large as NASA can either walk, or chew gum -- but cannot do both at the same time?
z33b•50m ago
The camera and simulation footage were a bit of a letdown and something SpaceX does much better. On the other hand NASA launches do evoke a feeling of substance over form where science takes precedence over presentation. For that money however I concur - I expected more. Especially the simulation footage where the lack of brightness made it hard to see the vehicle - they might as well have used KSP for it
ceejayoz•30m ago
I suspect this is a frequency thing. Early SpaceX broadcasts were pretty rough. NASA just doesn't do launch coverage with the same sort of cadence.

Honestly, they should consider outsourcing that bit.

SV_BubbleTime•25m ago
> NASA launches do evoke a feeling of substance over form

For real?

I was rolling my eyes hard at:

    GC systems go?

    GC systems go for all for humanity!
And then the VERY scripted pre-launch speeches. It’s like everyone there had been taking notes from inspirational hero movies.

It’s cool. But let’s not act like going around the moon is the most historic thing ever… since we’ve already done it plenty, right?

daveguy•22m ago
The entire prelaunch is scripted. Safety is the point of prelaunch checklists and polls. Why would you get bent out of shape over each of them being able to give their own response to the final call before launch?
reaperducer•21m ago
What NASA does goes in the history books.

What SpaceX does goes in quarterly reports.

snowe2010•21m ago
They literally played clips from actors in recent moon movies so yes, they definitely were taking notes from movies.
IshKebab•17m ago
> evoke a feeling of substance over form...

The feeling it evoked in me was that a multi billion dollar PR program could surely afford to spend a little bit of money on reliable camera tracking, telemetry overlays, visualisations that run at more than 0.1 FPS, etc.

Absolutely bizarre.

TeMPOraL•5m ago
> Especially the simulation footage where the lack of brightness made it hard to see the vehicle - they might as well have used KSP for it

Livestream simulated footage continues to be a joke with all space agencies, private and government alike. They really should be using KSP for it - it's not hard to wire up with external telemetry, and with couple graphics mods, it looks way better than whatever expensive commercial professional grade simulator rendering they're using (which I suspect is part of a package that may be really, really great at simulations - and is intentionally not great at visuals of this kind, as it doesn't show anything that isn't directly representing some measurement).

herodoturtle•2m ago
I’ve read elsewhere that the cut-away during booster separation was intentional given the high risk manoeuvre.

If something went wrong / explosion etc, then they wouldn’t want to broadcast it.

Something to that effect. I’m paraphrasing someone else.

SoftTalker•1h ago
> never-before-seen views of “the far side of the Moon“

I guess not counting all the prior "views" that have been recorded since the Apollo missions, including Chinese orbiters which (according to Wikipedia) "scanned the entire Moon in unprecedented detail, generating a high definition 3D map that would provide a reference for future soft landings"

firesteelrain•31m ago
A more accurate claim would be: never-before-seen in real-time at that fidelity from lunar distance.
SV_BubbleTime•23m ago
Real time has to be about the most useless factor here. I don’t care if it’s a year delayed, it’s not like I was going to head up there myself.
fxtentacle•22m ago
Those were transmitted offline so they didn't have authentic NVENC H264 compression artifacts. Never before have you seen it with 260 Mbps ;)

/s

vibe42•1h ago
NASA's rendering of the flyby:

https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a005500/a005536/a2_fly...

Hope we get to see something like this in 4K !

albertzeyer•9m ago
Is that real-time or sped up? This video is about 1 minute. How much real time does it correspond to?
bnchrch•56m ago
This in particular warmed my grumpy heart after the best footage of the launch came from a commercial airliners windows.

I had assumed they would've had a better plan to film the entire departure from orbit yesterday.

I'm at least happy they have one for the loop around the moon.

brcmthrowaway•50m ago
How does laser communication work with a moving object with 9DoF?!
sbarre•43m ago
Apparently with a gimbal and some fast-moving mirrors.

https://www.ll.mit.edu/news/lincoln-laboratory-laser-communi...

kotaKat•25m ago
Just like this, a Starlink gimbal being tested for future third party laser comms: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpFfC9WY0qs
yardie•35m ago
A reminder that the illegal DOGE took a chainsaw to NASA personnel last year. If you're disappointed that the feed update wasn't as polished as a SpaceX launch it's because the later has an actual communications and marketing department with a budget.
sentientslug•32m ago
I really don’t think budget cuts prevented the camera operator from panning up at the right time…
quentindanjou•25m ago
Less budget = less tooling + less competant people

So actually, yes, it could have affected it. Did it really? We will never know.

Also NASA has less experience in this than SpaceX, hopefully it will be better next time!

dboreham•24m ago
Presumably they had more than one camera and the fault was with people in the booth.
yardie•22m ago
> panning up at the right time…

I've watched hours of athlete parents try to track their athlete kid and it's marginally useful at best. Lots of shaky cam even at Pop Warner football speeds. So panning at the right time, with the muscle control to keep the object centered, is harder than you think.

If they have a professional videographer on staff working that camera it almost certainly would have never happened. Elon, who was in charge of DOGE, didn't take communications and marketing seriously so I'm almost certain they were one of the first to be let go.

reaperducer•15m ago
I really don’t think budget cuts prevented the camera operator from panning up at the right time

Tilting is up and down.

Panning is left to right.

You can't pan up, unless you've fallen over.

bisby•14m ago
There are plenty of ways that money could have solved this though.

More thorough prep/training for camera operators, so they can pan the camera according to a plan, instead of by reaction.

Maybe this camera operator wasn't supposed to pan because it was trying to capture diagnostic imagery that wasn't really intended for viewers, but because of budget cuts, they opted to use diagnostic views as presentation views.

Maybe there was supposed to be a cut to a different camera. But the production room was not sufficiently staffed to coordinate the switch.

Maybe there was no broadcast plan at all and it wasn't clearly coordinated who should be taking what shots.

Maybe they were underpaying the operators and they were not qualified.

Maybe they were underpaying the operators and a single operator was stuck operating multiple cameras and was framing a different camera at the time.

Automated tracking systems.

Sure, it's very likely that this might have happened anyway, but there are a lot of ways that reducing budget reduces planning and coordination. Especially if there is enough budget squeeze to move funds from public support campaigns (this entire stream was a public support campaign) to critical things (like building a rocket).

lysace•30m ago
I remember NASA broadcasts being top notch up until the end of the Space Shuttle program in 2011. That stabilized footage from when the shuttle was landing is iconic.

However: That quality was lost earlier than last year. Not sure exactly when, but it been like this for years now.

Gagarin1917•17m ago
Why does the article keep mentioning footage “from the surface of the moon”?