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1•indigodaddy•28m ago•0 comments
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Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

https://bsky.app/profile/nikigrayson.com/post/3miik2wzosk25
94•mooreds•1h ago

Comments

allears•1h ago
Why in the name of all that's holy would you use a Microsoft product on a mission like this? Just about the only thing you can trust about MS is that their software is buggy.
mronetwo•1h ago
Because they have the power to insert themselves in places like these. It's a bigger problem. There are places in which companies with Microslop's level of quality have no business to be, but they're already there.
SanjayMehta•1h ago
USS Yorktown, the aegis missile carrier comes to mind for some reason.

I think it was the same ship which shot down a passenger airliner.

robin_reala•58m ago
“Guns don’t kill people, Windows does”?
HeyLaughingBoy•26m ago
I believe that the use of Windows NT for Aegis control was fleet-wide, so that problem wasn't unique to the Yorktown. That just happened to be where it was discovered.
fuzzfactor•1h ago
From the comments:

‪Andy Meyers‬ ‪@andymeyers10.bsky.social‬ · 3h I said “launch window”, not “Launch Windows”!

nekusar•59m ago
Copilot (which one?!?) says "I'm sorry Dave, I cannot allow you to do that"
bilekas•1h ago
There was a literal meme in spaceforce about this. Have we learnt nothing ?

Microslop will now troll people outside of the Earth, a great achievement for them.

So does this mean they now also have... 2 Copilots... ? Terrible joke.

Rooster61•1h ago
We can't even leave the planet without MS enshittifying our equipment. God, I really want out of this timeline
alex1138•1h ago
Clippy "It looks like you're trying to go to the Moon. Want any help with that?"
rich_sasha•48m ago
Just imagine the aliens capture a probe and try to use Windows. What will they think of us?!
jmacklin308•1h ago
We migrated earlier this year and had a similar problem. Outlook (classic) works differently than the OWA version. They keep the classic version so people don't spontaneously throw a chair out a window. It's being phased out slowly.
mvkel•1h ago
I'm betting in 15 years, people will still be using Outlook (classic). This is the culture.
nekusar•1h ago
Its the fucking federal government's policy. Basically it amounts to "pay microsoft as a form of corporate welfare", "permit but not really allow linux", and "this is how it has always been done".
gchamonlive•39m ago
And also because apparently "nobody has ever been fired for choosing Microsoft", which is something that should start happening more often if you ask me
babypuncher•40m ago
The culture is correct, the new version of Outlook is hot garbage
joe_mamba•31m ago
Which new Outlook? I think there's like 3 versions of Outlook. The Classic Win32 one they want you to stop using, the new Poverty Spec one bundled for free with Windows 11 and the new Full Spec one that comes with O365, both of which are built in web technologies IIRC.
EvanAnderson•12m ago
It depends on how badly Microsoft continues to fuck up Outlook (classic).

I don't use Outlook for my personal email, but I've used it in various corporate engagements and not been wholly dissatisfied. Newer versions are slower, more bloated, and unstable (though add-ins-- especially the Teams add-in-- contribute to that).

The most egregious regression, for me, has been the "Advanced Find" functionality (which was wonderful in the 97 thru 2010 versions) being changed-out for the god-awful search box within the Outlook window.

yablak•49m ago
They also keep their own inboxes; emails downloaded to or sent from the old version are not visible on the new version.
unethical_ban•1h ago
I want to say something like "oh well, this is certainly a non-critical piece of software". Hopefully it's the convenient dashboard and there are other, more hardened consoles for fallback or something.

But in all seriousness, and without glibness or sarcasm: I cannot comprehend how there is any "unexpected" software running on that spacecraft, regardless of operating system.

EDIT*** For those who like me only watched the video and didn't read the thread: This is on a laptop that is non-critical, it is not a part of the spacecraft. Whew. Now I'm sad that one of the Linux distros didn't try to pitch themselves to the astronauts for a sponsorship... Would have been especially on brand for Pop_OS.

dgellow•1h ago
And connected to the network!
russdill•52m ago
They have a diverse range of devices, including iPhones
bombcar•37m ago
It'd be fun to be a telco tech and realize that you've an attempted connection from an iPhone 50 miles up and receding fast.
rich_sasha•1h ago
Is it just me that finds it terrifying that theres any Windows bits on a spaceship?
ramesh31•1h ago
>"Is it just me that finds it terrifying that theres any Windows bits on a spaceship?"

SpaceX Crew Dragon console interfaces are entirely React apps

ryandrake•1h ago
Everything is terrifying in computing these days, and bringing it to space rockets makes it even more terrifying.
kotaKat•47m ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41655299

This comment makes it feel a lot safer, when you think about it.

"Web browsers are historically known for crashing, but that's partly because they have to handle every page on the whole Internet. A static system with the same browser running a single website, heavily tested, may be reliable enough for our needs."

When you've also built up the metal that you're running that React on, it's a lot warmer and cozier than having to trust the whole fat Windows 11 codebase on Artemis...

guzfip•40m ago
Blame the gaggle of idiots from that slop thread the other day.

Now that the clowns are running the circus, I suspect digital goods will begin to rapidly decay soon.

cgh•32m ago
Clippy: “Hi, it looks like you’re trying to go to the Moon”
kaybe•1h ago
Oh ya I remember how some computer pulled a windows update over a satellite connection during a research flight (aircraft). That was super expensive, wow. Now Microsoft servers are banned at the outgoing point since you couldn’t reliably stop it the computer itself and new teams with new computers come in.
xnyan•22m ago
I'm not letting Microsoft off the hook here, but if you have an expensive metered connection and you're trusting clients (especially a modern personal computer of any operating system type)to play nicely with bandwidth, that's 100% on you.
jubilanti•17m ago
That's a really sorry state of things, then. There's zero trust in software now, in the literal sense. How did it get that we live in a world where you can't trust a client to enforce its own documented behavior? How did it get to be the user's fault for not using OS and hardware level measures and not the software vendor's fault when the "Automatic updates" toggle is a no-op?
rationalist•1h ago
computer virus

noun

    A program which can covertly transmit itself between computers via networks (especially the Internet) or removable storage such as CDs, USB drives, floppy disks, etc., often causing damage to systems and data.

    A software program capable of reproducing itself and usually capable of causing great harm to files or other programs on the same computer.
netsharc•57m ago
The astronaut's quote needs to be a billboard ad.. "I also see I have 2 instances of Outlook, and neither of those are working".
dgb23•57m ago
Bashing on MS products and on ReactJS (apparently used by spacex UIs) is a common pastime here and I'm guilty of it myself.

But here we're talking about actual space rockets flying to space with humans in them.

My expectation would be that something like https://tigerstyle.dev/ would be followed or the NASA rules linked from there https://spinroot.com/gerard/pdf/P10.pdf

babypuncher•40m ago
this is a crew laptop and not a mission critical computer at all.
HeyLaughingBoy•30m ago
At a previous job I was a developer on a medical instrument that used Windows to run the UI.

Before everyone gets all up in arms about it, Windows/Linux UI & database with external microcontrollers handling real-time control is a very common architectural choice for medical and industrial equipment. To the point where many Systems-on-Module (SoMs) come with a Linux-capable ARM processor and a separate, smaller processor for real-time, linked via shared memory.

Anyway, a customer called to report a weird bug that we couldn't resolve. After remoting into the instrument, we discovered that one of the lab technicians had attempted to install Excel on it. At some point the install must have failed, but it left a .dll behind that was causing a conflict with something in our code and keeping the UI from starting properly.

No, we did not learn anything from this incident...

joe_mamba•24m ago
Isn't this what Embedded Windows was always for, like for use in medical equipment, ATMs, POS, PLC, oscilloscopes, etc? Basically stuff that's supposed to be fire-and-forget, run 24/7 and that the user shouldn't be able to tinker with.

And also what group policies were for, that can disable the user from installing any software?

Am I wrong to assume that the fuckup was on your end, for using the wrong tool and not configuring it properly?

aksss•9m ago
Back in like early aughts I remember seeing an ATM in Rome that had evidently crashed and was sitting at a DOS prompt. I was much younger then, but I remember thinking it wasn't terribly surprising, but it was also a bit of a wizard of oz moment.
kotaKat•6m ago
Memories now of what we were given at the hospital long ago: our obstetrics ward was using Philips OBTraceVue software. The original FDA-approved system required Philips to package the OS and hardware all together, so we were given a bunch of generic Compaq desktops to run their fetal heartrate monitoring on.

The biggest annoying complaint was "we want to run our EHR software on it!" but because of the FDA requirements, we weren't allowed to install anything on the box. Yet somehow providing AV could be OK in some cases, and in other cases installing Citrix? And then we'd somehow find out someone managed to install the EHR client onto it anyways and it became a big old mess to have to have Philips come send a tech out of their own to reimage a PC we couldn't "legally" service.

It was a big messy pain for a while back in the day. Was happy when we finally got to upgrade to the newer IntelliSpace software on our own PCs in the ward. (Also got to meet a support engineer that came out rocking an Agilent badge, so that was super cool on its own right of history...)

nasretdinov•44m ago
The poor technicians having to RDP with (what I imagine must be) a horrible latency. Although still might be better than some corporate environments lol
pinum•13m ago
At its current distance, best case RTT would be about 420ms
rmrfchik•26m ago
I didn't expect they are running Windows up there. Shouldn't be specialized and curated ... smthing else?
liendolucas•22m ago
Is this actually true? What's next? A BSOD? I would have ever ever in my life bet that Microsoft software could be shipped in a spacecraft carrying human beings. Unbeliveable.
stackskipton•21m ago
Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well.

However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users.

IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements.

EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents back and forth.

EvanAnderson•9m ago
I don't know why people are surprised by this. Using suitable off-the-shelf solutions for non-mission-critical purposes seems like a very reasonable thing to do.

I'm recalling this from my memory of "The Space Above Us" podcast: There were various bespoke teleprinters sent up on early shuttle flights that had exciting failure modes (if I remember correctly one of them started smoking) and in at least a couple of cases they had to stow the new hardware and pull out the old backup hardware because the new stuff didn't work.

golfer•8m ago
Why on God's green earth is Windows running on the Artemis spaceship?
PretzelPirate•8m ago
I don't understand the title.

It doesn't seem like they are trying to figure out why two copies of outlook are installed, they're trying to figure out why neither is giving them access to their email.

Chihuahua0633•4m ago
Did they consider scrapping the humans, and just installing co-pilot? heh .. heh.. /s