Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

131•firloop•1h ago

Received the following email from Anthropic:

Hi,

Starting April 4 at 12pm PT / 8pm BST, you’ll no longer be able to use your Claude subscription limits for third-party harnesses including OpenClaw. You can still use them with your Claude account, but they will require extra usage, a pay-as-you-go option billed separately from your subscription.

Your subscription still covers all Claude products, including Claude Code and Claude Cowork. To keep using third-party harnesses with your Claude login, turn on extra usage for your account. This will be enforced April 4 starting with OpenClaw, but this policy applies to all third-party harnesses and will be rolled out to more shortly (read more).

To make the transition easier, we’re offering a one-time credit for extra usage equal to your monthly subscription price. Redeem your credit by April 17. We’re also introducing discounts when you pre-purchase bundles of extra usage (up to 30%).

We’ve been working to manage demand across the board, but these tools put an outsized strain on our systems. Capacity is a resource we manage carefully and we need to prioritize our customers using our core products. You will receive another email from us tomorrow where you’ll have the ability to refund your subscription if you prefer.

Comments

rvz•1h ago

> To make the transition easier, we’re offering a one-time credit for extra usage equal to your monthly subscription price. Redeem your credit by April 17. We’re also introducing discounts when you pre-purchase bundles of extra usage (up to 30%).

The Anthropic casino wants you to continue gambling tokens at their casino only on their machines (Claude Code) only by giving more promotional offers such as free spins, $20 bets and more free tokens at the roulette wheels and slot machines.

But you cannot repurpose your subscription on other slot machines that are not owned by Anthropic and if you want it badly, they charge you more for those credits.

The house (Anthropic) always wins.

sidrag22•54m ago

Plenty to hate on anthropic for right now, but Ill never understand the references to output as a slot machine. It is massively a skill based tool, you CAN use it like a slot machine with "please make it work" style prompts. The variance is the difference, if you feed it great context and/or relevant sources to utilize, your odds of success increase dramatically. Slot machines, it doesn't matter how much thought you put into your pull, you will have the same odds as literally any other person pulling the lever.

0xy•22m ago

Except you put $200 into the CC casino and you can (if you choose) extract thousands in token value.

alasano•1h ago

"these tools put an outsized strain on our systems"

AKA when you fully use the capacity you paid for, that's too much!

eagleinparadise•1h ago

Anthropic measures your usage based on token consumption

We are paying for a certain amount of token consumption

Why then, is this an outsized strain on your system Anthropic?

It's like buying gasoline from Shell, and then Shell's terms of services forcing you to use that gas in a Hummer that does 5 MPG, while everyone else wants to drive any other vehicle.

bitpush•1h ago

I feel icky replying in favor of a for-profit entity, but here goes ..

> We are paying for a certain amount of token consumption

I dont think you are. The specific arrangement you have is you pay for a subscription to be used with Claude Code. It isnt access to tokens, so you can do whatever you please.

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An analogy would be a refillable cup for a soda at a restuarnt. They will allow you to refill how many ever times you want, but only using the store provided cup - and you cant bring your own 2L hydroflask or whatever. You're paying not just for the liquid, but for the entire setup.

stavros•40m ago

The analogy is bad. Anthropic does not let you "refill however many times you want", they have limits. That's what "limits" in your account is.

It would be like the restaurant saying "you can buy the 2-liter soda pack" and then getting all uppity when you bring your own 2L hydroflask in.

SpicyLemonZest•57m ago

If you're on a subscription plan, you're paying for a certain amount of maximum token consumption. Mass market consumers generally prefer this model to one where they're billed for actual usage. But making it work requires statistical estimates of how much people will consume, which often requires excluding third party tools that circumvent those estimates.

To use your analogy, if Shell sold you a subscription to fill up your Hummer up to 30 times a month, they wouldn't let you use that subscription to fill gas cans with a GMC logo taped to the side. They couldn't, without overcharging the people who just want to average out their cost of driving.

fc417fc802•14m ago

I think that just as with ISPs people become irate when they feel there's been a bait-and-switch. Had they very loudly advertised the subscription as limited to their harness up front with a note about maximum token use people presumably wouldn't feel cheated. Whereas they seem to be pulling a "pray I don't alter it further" for the second time now.

You don't get to sell a subscription described primarily as being for some quantity of X and then change the terms every time people find creative ways to use the stream of X they believe themselves to have purchased from you. People thought they were purchasing in bulk.

charcircuit•42m ago

You are making the false assumption that all token consumption costs the same when it doesn't. Yes in the limit the price to serve the model and generate a response is O(tokens), but when tokens is smaller it can be cheaper to generate a new token than when tokens is bigger. If other harnesses prompt with more tokens than Claude Code it can be more expensive to serve.

stavros•39m ago

They have limits. I don't care how expensive it is to serve, I'm paying them for a given amount of tokens (a limit which THEY SET) and they want to also dictate where I spend those tokens.

verdverm•29m ago

Those are subsidized tokens because you are also using their product.

They have a per-token payment option where you can use any tool you like

charcircuit•26m ago

>I'm paying them for a given amount of tokens

The plans do not say how many tokens you get. People are paying for access. Higher plans get more usage. The marketing and support material of the plans only use the word "usage" and never "tokens."

chrisjj•1h ago

And so it begins...

mememememememo•46m ago

Drug dealer got them hooked, now time to charge by the ounce.

HellsMaddy•1h ago

I received it too. I wonder if they sent this to all pro/max subscribers or only those who they’ve flagged as having used a third party harness.

windexh8er•58m ago

I have a few accounts but have been avoiding OpenCode with my Pro/Max accounts because I had heard some were being banned. Have only been using Anthropic models through OpenRouter, but it ends up being cost prohibitive for anything reasonably complex. But, I haven't received emails in either account around the change. Anthropic probably figures that it's less ideal to draw attention to it if a user isn't using it in that way. Personally I'm not a fan of what they're doing and will likely drop them and go out of my way to find a different option and move away from their lock-in strategy. They're really no different than OpenAI at this point (for the worst).

mh-•55m ago

FWIW: I did not receive it, and have never used my subscription outside of first party Claude tools. I was, however, able to claim the extra usage credit.

Interestingly, it looks like I haven't received a non-receipt email from them since August 2025.

FireBeyond•47m ago

How/where were you able to do that?

mh-•45m ago

Top of https://claude.ai/settings/usage

edit: see Boris' tweet about it https://x.com/bcherny/status/2040206443094446558

burnte•37m ago

I'm a pro subscriber and didn't get this so I wager its accounts they detect because i only use it in the browser and haven't seen this.

cat-turner•1h ago

Doesn't this unfairly impact startups? Why not instead allow issuance of API keys with usage caps? It seems like a money grab.

jasonlotito•59m ago

> you’ll no longer be able to use your Claude subscription limits for third-party harnesses including OpenClaw. You can still use them with your Claude account, but they will require extra usage, a pay-as-you-go option billed separately from your subscription.

How is what you are asking for different from what they are saying?

SkyPuncher•1h ago

Just give me a subscription tier where I’m not being blocked out every afternoon.

Im hitting rate limits within 1:45 during afternoons.

I can’t justify extra usage since it’s a variable cost, but I can justify a higher subscription tier.

bitpush•59m ago

even higher than $200? gosh, what are you doing to hit limits every day?

rvz•53m ago

Consulting fees from Claude & Ralph.

SkyPuncher•9m ago

Professional software development. I literally have 2 to 5 terminals running all day.

charcircuit•51m ago

You can set the monthly extra usage cap to $1000 or something to cap how much it can cost per month.

https://support.claude.com/en/articles/12429409-manage-extra...

SkyPuncher•9m ago

That's a had sell to a finance team.

jasonlotito•1h ago

Yes, this was made clear a while back and should not be a surprise. (Honestly, I had to double-check the date/time to see if this was actually posted today.

You can use your Claude Code subscription with third-party tools, but you have to use the Claude Code harness. Or, you use the API. OpenClaw could use the Claude Code harness, but they don't.

firloop•58m ago

FWIW I am sympathetic to Anthropic here, but OpenClaw _is_ using the Claude Code harness (via claude -p). But yes, Anthropic has made it clear they don’t like this.

jasonlotito•55m ago

So they changed it? Last I heard they hadn't. Where did they announce they were switching to the Claude harness? I can't find anything.

firloop•51m ago

I received the email and I have been using “Option B”, which wraps the Claude CLI. https://docs.openclaw.ai/providers/anthropic#option-b-claude...

2001zhaozhao•59m ago

There are going to be a lot of tools coming soon that are "agent-agnostic", i.e. can run on CLIs including Claude Code. I am personally experimenting with using a combo of MCP + custom UI layer to provide custom tools with bespoke UX and thus turn Claude Code (or any other CLI agent for that matter) into whatever I want. I wonder how they'll deal with that.

For a good existing example developed by a known company, check Cline Kanban: https://cline.bot/kanban

They don't have the MCP-bundling idea that I'm experimenting with, however.

charcircuit•56m ago

You never have been able to. It's against ToS.

christopher8827•56m ago

This is why people are switching over to Codex

minimaxir•49m ago

Codex just ended their double-usage offer and OpenAI just had an exec shakeup, so it'll be interesting to see how Codex reacts, or if people have usage issues with Codex.

lmedinas•23m ago

OpenAI mentioned already that it's ok to use Codex with Openclaw.

minimaxir•20m ago

Months ago. Things in the AI world change quickly.

winterrx•54m ago

So now what happens to startups and ADE's orientated around Claude like Conductor.. no more Claude for them I guess back to Codex!

jasonlotito•51m ago

Nothing. They aren't using third party harnesses, which is the issue here as spelled out in the post.

> you’ll no longer be able to use your Claude subscription limits for third-party harnesses including OpenClaw.

My understanding is that Conductor and others aren't using it.

zephyreon•51m ago

Yah well I'll be downgrading my subscription to the $20/month plan for the light chats I have with AI outside of using custom harnesses and will figure out a better provider for the agentic tooling.

kjuulh•50m ago

Anthropic should calm down, I get that they're trying to either build a moat, or simply curb what is essentially subsidized tokens. It is technically true that when you've got a claude code subscription you pay for the product with its terms, and those terms doesn't include you grabbing the token and using it for another application. They're also trying to build a competitor to openclaw so it makes sense they're trying to crush it. But it feels like such a feeble moat, that it looks silly. Claude Code is nice, but it is not that nice.

Traubenfuchs•47m ago

You can cancel your subscription, there are like 5 competitors you can pick instead and anthropic offers an API plan where you can find out how many tokens circus tools like claws really consume compared to coding tasks.

_pdp_•47m ago

The solution as usual is open source.

For example...

We recently moved a very expensive sonnet 4.6 agent to step-3.5-flash and it works surprising well. Obviously step-3.5-flash is nowhere near the raw performance of sonnet but step works perfectly fine for this case.

Another personal observation is that we are most likely going to see a lot of micro coding agent architectures everywhere. We have several such cases. GPT and Claude are not needed if you focus the agent to work on specific parts of the code. I wrote something about this here: https://chatbotkit.com/reflections/the-rise-of-micro-coding-...

stavros•46m ago

> The solution as usual is open source.

> Obviously step-3.5-flash is nowhere near the raw performance of sonnet

I feel like these two statements conflict with each other.

happyopossum•28m ago

Those two statements completely check out about a lot of open source projects/products tho... macOS upsetting you today? The solution is linux!

nothinkjustai•38m ago

Yeah this is similar to my approach, although with slightly more powerful models. I’m just not having a good time letting the sota models loose on a code base to implement entire features. Spending too much time cleaning up the mess. It’s my fault, I needed to guide it more, but it would take the same amount of time to use a faster model to generate smaller chunks and also cost less. And I’m not even doing anything particularly complex!

inb4 skill issue I could probably beat you coding by hand with you using Claude code

loveparade•45m ago

That's why I am using Codex. I slightly prefer Claude in terms of code quality, but it's close, but not being able to use my subscription with other CLIs and apps ruins Claude for me.

freedomben•32m ago

Indeed, this is the outcome they are going to create. It seems like their goal is to get people using their core tools, and they want that bad enough to subsidize it for some users. The net effect on users like me however, will be the exact opposite. I'll be switching to a different tool.

loveparade•24m ago

Yeah and it doesn't help that the claude CLI itself IMO isn't that great. It feels a bit like a sloppy vibe coded app. So they are forcing me to use an inferior product.

saltyoldman•45m ago

Is anyone even getting anything out of a $20/mo sub for Anthropic?

I'm doing a side-by-side with GPT-5.4 for $20/mo and Sonnet for $20/mo and I can tell you that all my 5 hour tokens are eaten in 30 minutes with Claude. I still haven't used my tokens for OpenAI.

Code quality seems fine on both. Building an app in Go

freedomben•28m ago

Yeah, the $20 Claude plan is almost worthless. Unless you're just using it to write scripts and not working in a real world application code base, it just runs out way too fast to get much done.

I think using it to write small documentation or small scripts would be a good use case for it, but serious development work you Hit the usage limits way too fast.

mogili1•44m ago

What about when you use Claude agent SDK on your laptop?

Extra usage is very sneaky you don't get any notice that you are using extra usage and could end up with unnecessary costs in case you would have preferred to wait an hour or so.

stavros•43m ago

Looks like I'm going to be switching to OpenAI. I know the whole "well those are the terms" Stockholm syndrome argument, but no, those weren't the terms when I signed up. If one of the parties decided to unilaterally change terms in any other everyday situation, nobody would think it was acceptable, but we've become so resigned to corporations having enough money to make the law suit them that we think it's moral behavior.

No, Anthropic, just because you added a clause that says "we can change these terms whenever" doesn't make it right. I'm paying you a set amount of money a month for a set amount of tokens (that's what limits are), and I should be able to use these tokens however I want.

Luckily, there are alternatives.

benced•30m ago

They changed the terms going forward so you’re changing your behavior going forward? Nobody but the psychos you’re making up would think you’re out of line here. They’re not required to offer the same product forever and you’re not required to pay forever.

post-it•28m ago

I mean that's the thing, you're paying per month. And they're changing things going forward and offering to refund the current month.

It's like if I buy a hot dog every month and they tell me they're raising the price next month, or discontinuing honey mustard. Inconvenient but they're not doing anything wrong.

Especially since, given my back of the napkin math, they're giving us a pretty decent discount on the subscription plans.

nrmitchi•26m ago

This actually seems rather generous of them? Not only are they offering credits equal the cost you paid, but they're offering refunds if you disagree.

Anthropic not allowing Claiude Code subscriptions to be used with other projects isn't "pulling the rug out"; you paid for an API subscription to use Claude Code, and now you're using it for a different purpose and a different product.

If Tesla offered $10/month charging for your Tesla, and then a bunch of people turned around and use their Tesla Charge subscription to charge all different electric vehicles, and battery packs, and also hooked up a crypto mining rig to it, would you be surprised if they said "Nope, we're cutting this off. You can only use your Tesla Charge subscription for your Tesla vehicle"?

stavros•21m ago

Nope, I paid for an Anthropic subscription that I could use with the Agents SDK. Then they decided I shouldn't be able to use that, just because.

> If Tesla offered $10/month charging for your Tesla

No, "if Tesla offered $10/month for 100 kWh of charging", and yes, I expect to use those 100 kWh with any vehicle I want, because there's a limit on the resource I'm paying for.

I can understand caps on unlimited, I can't understand caps when there are strict limits.

jakelazaroff•22m ago

Anthropic changing their terms is fine. You taking your money elsewhere is also fine. What's the issue here?

harha•12m ago

One interesting observation I had between ChatGPT and Claude before I was familiar with openclaw came when I asked if about the difference between ChatGPT and Claude for coding and if I can get to a setup that can use both. At that time I had both subscriptions, felt it was better to build with Claude but was frequently reaching limits.

ChatGPT found it was a great idea and that I can use Claude for planning and gave me instructions on how to best hand off the building part. Claude told me it’s a horrible idea.

Claude also burns much more liberally through tokens, eg reading through entire irrelevant docs.

Openclaw is great for resolving this since I much more control which work goes where and also gives a much better user experience without all the back and forth to understand what context it has (my use case is to build things from my phone while I’m in senseless meetings in my day job).

Fully agree on the alternatives. In the end Claude’s experience is worse, while it still makes bad decisions if you let it. Better to get a good workflow on a less capable model.

Multiplayer•41m ago

Big Giant Million Dollar Question: Where does having Openclaw using Claude Code via ACP fall? It's using the Claude Code harness, not the model directly.

If you are not aware, ACP creates a persistent session for steering rather than using the models directly.

bontaq•21m ago

This is my big question too. It seems by intent it's to kill it, including ACP, but I don't know.

firloop•39m ago

This is slightly different from what OpenCode was banned from doing; they were a separate harness grabbing a user’s Claude Code session and pretending to be Claude Code.

OpenClaw was still using Claude Code as the harness (via claude -p)[0]. I understand why Anthropic is doing this (and they’ve made it clear that building products around claude -p is disallowed) but I fear Conductor will be next.

[0]: See “Option B: Claude CLI as the message provider” here https://docs.openclaw.ai/providers/anthropic#option-b-claude...

freedomben•36m ago

Ah thank you, this is very helpful distinction to know.

When they shut down open code, I thought it was a lame move and was critical of them, but I could understand at least where they're coming from. With this though, it's ridiculous. Claude core tools are still being used in this case. Shelling out to it to use it there's no different than a normal user would do themselves.

If this continues, I'll be taking my $200 subscription over to open AI.

andai•32m ago

Why are they doing that? Opus is the only good way to run Claw. Do they regret making it cheaper or what?

Also what's the point of Claude -p if not integration with 3rd party code? (They have a whole agents SDK which does the same thing.. but I think that one requires per token pricing.) I guess they regret supporting subscription auth on the -p flag

randall•25m ago

exactly. They probably have unsustainable margins on accident.

wild_egg•22m ago

I keep hearing OpenClaw runs on pi?

loveparade•18m ago

I assume this means we can no longer use Claude code sessions in editors like zed because it also wraps claude cli via ACP?

userbinator•14m ago

and they’ve made it clear that building products around claude -p is disallowed

Imagine not being able to connect services together or compose building-blocks to do what you want. This is absolute insanity that runs counter to decades of computing progress and interoperability (including Unix philosophy); and I'm saying this as someone who doesn't even care for using AI.

colechristensen•13m ago

You absolutely can, just pay for their API usage. The subscriptions are deeply discounted if you use your full quota compared to the API.

mccoyb•5m ago

It is confusing for a company to sell you the subscription service, say "Claude Code is covered", ship Claude Code with `claude -p`, and then say "oh right, actually, not _all of Claude Code_, don't try and use it as a executable ... sorry, right, the subscription only works as long as you're looking at that juicy little Claude Code logo in the TUI"

The disrespect Anthropic has for their user base is constant and palpable.

8note•38m ago

> We’ve been working to manage demand across the board, but these tools put an outsized strain on our systems. Capacity is a resource we manage carefully and we need to prioritize our customers using our core products.

but couldn't i use this in off times only?

Seattle3503•36m ago

Am I still allowed to invoke cc in a bash script, or is that out too? Interactive sessions only.

ramoz•33m ago

Super confusing email. Not sure why I received. Am i to assume my account was flagged? I only use my subscription for Claude Code.

UPDATE:

reply on x Thariq @trq212 only flagged accounts, but you can still claim the credit

mh-•23m ago

Any idea what caused your account to be flagged, then?

ramoz•5m ago

I mustve tried openclaw with it. Though ive been running it on codex primarily since I was serious about setting it up.

supliminal•33m ago

Since the OpenClaw creator is posting on HN I’d like to hear some commentary from him directly.

password4321•29m ago

GitHub Copilot supports Anthropic models with any client but they have a monthly usage cap after which it is pay-per-prompt.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46936105 Billing can be bypassed using a combo of subagents with an agent definition

> "Even without hacks, Copilot is still a cheap way to use Claude models"

20260116 https://github.blog/changelog/2026-01-16-github-copilot-now-...

https://github.com/features/copilot/plans: $40/month for 1500 requests; $0.04/request after that

https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/concepts/billing/copilot-... Opus uses 3x requests

zem•28m ago

I wonder if this also applies to tools that interact with the claude code tui through tmux's capabilities.

arewethereyeta•26m ago

Marketing geniuses. They had 2 options here:

1. Make a better product/alternative to Openclaw and start eating their userbase. They hold the advantage because the ones "using their servers too much" are already their clients so they could reach out and keep trying to convert. Openclaw literally brought them customers at the door.

2. Do everyone royally and get them off their platform - with a strong feeling of dislike or hatred towards Anthropic.

Let's see how 2 goes for them. This is not the space to be treating your clients this way.

mrbungie•24m ago

From you can tell from they long-term strategy they are not marketing geniuses, but rather they try to signal are "moral geniuses". That's the game they are playing, I don't really know if it is going to work or not.

airstrike•8m ago

[delayed]

benn67•26m ago

Haha, I almost expected this.

Say goodbye to my 600$/ month Anthropic.

minimaxir•21m ago

The people who have enough Opus usage such that they were using multiple Max accounts are the exact users Anthropic want to kick out.

Zopieux•14m ago

There's no way in hell this amount of tokens is reasonable for anything or worth it

techgnosis•5m ago

You have a tiny imagination

jesse_dot_id•25m ago

There seem to be a ton of people who don't understand how subscription services work. Every single one of them oversells their capacity. The power users that use the services a lot are subsidized by those who don't use it as much, which tends to be the vast majority of the user base. OpenClaw is an autonomous power user. The growing adoption of this walking attack surface was either going to A) cause the cost of Claude to go up or B) get banned to protect the price of the service for actual users.

nightski•16m ago

It's fine, their moat is thin. Frontier models as a service isn't really in the best interest of anyone anyways. Only a matter of time.

asgraham•13m ago

Are you arguing that eventually a competitor will emerge that does support OpenClaw with a subscription model? Wouldn’t that just be more expensive for the exact same reason Anthropic is banning it?

raincole•11m ago

You mean whether another competitor will emerge? Right now we have OpenAI.

techgnosis•11m ago

Doesn't OpenAI allow this today?

tekacs•10m ago

OpenAI have literally gone out of their way to explicitly support this sort of thing. As they did with OpenCode.

Honestly, this just looks like what Dylan of SemiAnalysis suggested on Dwarkesh – that they've massively under-provisioned capacity / under-spent on infrastructure.

That would honestly be a comforting answer if true, because I would gladly take 'we can't afford to do this right now' over 'we are self-preferencing, and the FTC should really take a look at us, even if we're technically not a monopoly right now, since we're the only strongly-instruction-following model in town and we clearly know it'.

gjsman-1000•8m ago

> we are self-preferencing, and the FTC should really take a look at us, even if we're technically not a monopoly right now

Tell me you have zero clue what a monopoly is or what the law is, without telling me.

Monopoly law relies on broad categories, not narrow ones. You can’t call Microsoft a monopoly because they are the only company that makes Windows. You can’t call Amazon a monopoly because they are the only company that makes AmazonBasics. You can’t call Anthropic a monopoly because their product is 20% better for your use case, as though being a better competitor automatically puts them in a different category.

raincole•25m ago

So is Codex the only SOTA that welcomes third-party harness?

g-mork•23m ago

My answer to this is simply rolling back to the pro plan for interactive usage in the coming month, and forcefully cutting myself over to one of the alternative Chinese models to just get over the hump and normalise API pricing at a sensible rate with sensible semantics.

Dealing with Claude going into tardo mode 15 times a day, constant HTTP errors, etc. just isn't really worth it for all it does. I can't see myself justifying $200/mo. on any replacement tool either, the output just doesn't warrant it.

I think we all jumped on the AI mothership with our eyes closed and it's time to dial some nuance back into things. Most of the time I'm just using Opus as a bulk code autocomplete that really doesn't take much smarts comparatively speaking. But when I do lean on it for actual fiddly bug fixing or ideation, I'm regularly left disappointed and working by hand anyway. I'd prefer to set my expectations (and willingness to pay) a little lower just to get a consistent slightly dumb agent rather than an overpriced one that continually lets me down. I don't think that's a problem fixed by trying to swap in another heavily marketed cure-all like Gemini or Codex, it's solved by adjusting expectations.

In terms of pricing, $200 buys an absolute ton of GLM or Minimax, so much that I'd doubt my own usage is going to get anywhere close to $200 going by ccusage output. Minimax generating a single output stream at its max throughput 24/7 only comes to about $90/mo.

zdragnar•18m ago

> I think we all jumped on the AI mothership with our eyes closed

Oh no, there's plenty of us willing to say we told you so.

What's more interesting to me is what it's going to look like if big companies start removing "AI usage" from their performance metrics and cease compelling us to use it. More than anything else, that's been the dumbest thing to happen with this whole craze.

SkyPuncher•18m ago

I literally hit my 5 hour window limit in 1.5 hours every single day now.

2 weeks ago, I had only hit my limit a single time and that was when I had multiple agents doing codebase audits.

colechristensen•14m ago

Every service is being sold at a deep discount chasing market share, but it's not lasting forever.

g-mork•10m ago

Speaking only personally of course, I'm completely over the chat idiom in almost every way. Where is all this future demand coming from? By the time Android lands a God mode ultimate voice assistant it's pretty much guaranteed I will be well beyond the point where I'd want to use it. The whole thing is starting to remind me of 3G video calling where the networks thought it'd change everything, and by the end of it with all the infrastructure in place, the average user has made something like 0.001 3G-native video calls over the lifetime of their usage.

Would really love some path forward where the AI parts only poke out as single fields in traditional user interfaces and we can forget this whole episode

randall•22m ago

Does anyone have a link to the "read more"?

skyberrys•22m ago

Is this going to nuke all bring your own API 3rd party tools? I've been casually using fewshell https://github.com/few-sh/fewshell with my Claude api key, I really hope it's going to keep working. I've just finally managed to turn myself into a reasonable devops team with it.

minimaxir•19m ago

This does not affect anyone who uses an API key.

skyberrys•14m ago

Oh thank you! I'm using these tools but occasionally I feel like a medieval horse rider trying to drive a sedan. Glad to know, I haven't used OpenClaw, I prefer the meat computer for autonomous compute.

pikdum•17m ago

Does this mean I can't use `claude -p` in bash scripts now?

techgnosis•7m ago

I doubt it means that. How would they ever know? Honest question..

yieldcrv•15m ago

I like how the best way to protest this is by doing what everyone should have been doing to begin with: running a great open source model on rented hardware

causal•13m ago

Their whole business model seems built around selling you limits that you will never be able to utilize: limit you to tools that will never run long.

Claude Code seems designed to terminate quickly- mine always finds excuses to declare victory prematurely given a task that should take hours.

jonwinstanley•8m ago

What are people doing with OpenClaw? Are there any places that try to log best uses and new ideas?

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