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5•ceejayoz•47m ago•2 comments

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1•anonhaven•49m ago•0 comments
Open in hackernews

German men 18-45 need military permit to leave country for longer than 3 months

https://www.dw.com/en/german-men-need-military-permit-for-extended-stays-abroad/a-76662677
203•L_226•2h ago

Comments

cocodill•2h ago
Busification, when?
bagels•2h ago
I guess this is a new word basically meaning conscription by force.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busification

ben_w•1h ago
> conscription by force

Is there any unforced conscription? By definition conscription is compulsory.

nick486•50m ago
its a question of degree. going to the barracks when you get called up by mail vs getting grabbed off the street, punched in the face and shoved into a bus headed for the training center.
lifestyleguru•1h ago
If you ever wonder what is the role of professional army in case of any serious invasion or war. Their role is to hunt for conscripts, kidnap them, and transport them to the army recruitment centers.
breppp•53m ago
I don't know where you are getting this, but this is very much not the role of professional armies in most invasions historically

Usually when your country is invaded you don't stay in your silicon valley privileged mindset and you go to conscription willingly

lifestyleguru•32m ago
Silicon valley privileged mindset in Europe, what are you talking about?! You mean Piotr, Ivan, and Andrei working remotely for American company for equivalent of 60k USD annually?

Most armies in Europe, especially in post-Communist part of it, are nepotist corrupted structures. People go there for tax and housing benefits and early retirement. They are not even particularly fit, skilled, or trained to fight with an invader. Especially in these countries men aged 18-45 have absolutely nothing to fight for.

askonomm•2h ago
So are you also not allowed to move away or? I find it pretty messed up that your life as a man is literally owned by the government.
victorbjorklund•1h ago
No, it literally says the law says you must seek permission if you wanna leave for more than 3 months and the govt must always grant you this if not in a war. And if you fail to seek permission nothing happens. You can ignore it without consequence.
coldtea•1h ago
>And if you fail to seek permission nothing happens. You can ignore it without consequence

The consequence is you violated the law, and they can have you at any time, even retroactively, for that.

That they don't is merely a detail. If it really has "no consequence" they should remove it.

wat10000•1h ago
Civilized countries don’t allow retroactively increasing the penalty for breaking a law. Does Germany allow that?
ultrarunner•1h ago
The penalty doesn't have to be increased, it just needs to be selectively enforced.
seba_dos1•44m ago
You'd need to have some unenforced penalty first though.
gmueckl•27m ago
No, Germany punishes according to the laws at the time of the crime. It is not possible to retroactively enforce new criminal statutes.
dwedge•1h ago
A lot of laws head this way. Sweeping chances but not enforced so people ignore it, then later there's nothing stopping the government going back 7 years after select individuals. Just because it wasn't ever enforced doesn't mean it isn't illegal. An example is disguised employment laws for contractors in the UK (IR35)
im3w1l•1h ago
I think it's like they want to have it on the books now so they can use it later. If they try to emergency legislate during wartime people will protest and/or flee the country the day before it starts applying.
mhitza•1h ago
You are, but it's a shit law and surprising to still exist in Germany. Per the article it's not a new law, has been in effect since the 80s, and there have been no repercussions for violating this law.

Instead, my 2c, should have changed it to a notice you have to send the military, at most.

Krssst•1h ago
Yes you are: the article says that the permission must be granted in general by authorities (I guess no war and not active military) and no penalties for breaching it.
itsyonas•1h ago
All nation states are like that. They monopolise power and violence, and will defend that monopoly by sacrificing their citizens' lives if another state tries to infringe upon it.

I think it's clear that the interests of citizens and their state typically do not align. Unfortunately, most states have cultivated and propagated a different idea for decades, which is why so many people have a different perception of their state than the reality.

HappyPanacea•1h ago
No idea why you single out nation states, all states are similar.
logicchains•1h ago
Nation state is just another word for state, no? What state is not a nation state?
itsyonas•1h ago
The states of the United States of America are not nation states.
softskunk•59m ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state
webnrrd2k•1h ago
Press gangs are back
legitster•1h ago
> While the law requires men to request the permit, the spokesperson clarified, it also obliges the military career center to issue it, if "no specific military service is expected during the period in question.”

> "Since military service under current law is based exclusively on voluntary participation, such permissions must generally be granted,” the official added.

> When asked, the ministry spokesperson pointed out that "the regulation was already in place during the Cold War and had no practical relevance; in particular, there are no penalties for violating it.”

lazide•1h ago
Ah, invasive extra paperwork (enforced by criminal penalties, at least in theory) for something they say on the surface they won’t actually need. So very german (hah)
nine_k•1h ago
I suppose it's only a boring piece of extra paperwork until at some moment the permit stops being automatically issued.
baxtr•1h ago
You’ve never been to Germany, have you?
rvnx•58m ago
Guess what, many jews self-reported themselves to the authorities just to follow the process and that led directly to their death.

https://www.ushmm.org/online/hsv/source_view.php?SourceId=42...

Of course, this is old times now, but here is the same, there is no benefit to register, and you increase your risk to die.

Don't do it.

fhdkweig•5m ago
In the United States, adult males have to sign up for the Selective Service for the same reason even though we haven't had conscription since the Vietnam War in the late 1970s(?).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System

machinekob•1h ago
This is only for citizen not refugees/immigrants so both MEA and NA folks can chill.
mothballed•51m ago
Yes the US has a more insidious "hidden" law that I'm amazed Trump has not used to his advantage. It's a felony for the younger illegal immigrants males who are eligible to not register for the draft (most visa and legally visa exempt tourists are exempt, but the exemption falls off if you fall out of status). Almost none of them do, meaning almost all undocumented military-age-males are actively committing a serious crime.
tasuki•16m ago
It's either generousness or incompetence.
ihsw•42m ago
Why aren't refugees/immigrants conscripted over citizens?
AdrianB1•21m ago
Because not only that the immigrants have no allegiance to Germany, most have different culture and sometimes incompatible values.

I grew up in the Middle East and I can tell that cultural differences and values were more smooth and compatible than what I saw in Germany. Conscription requires a degree of trust in the people you give guns to and expect to fight on your side in case it is needed, that is mostly not true with immigrants in all times and all countries.

jbm•34m ago
Dunno how it is in Germany but quite a few of my non white friends wound up in the Canadian Army.

I don't know why immigration is brought up in this conversation at all.

umanwizard•29m ago
There are a lot of non-white citizens of Canada (and Germany) whereas the comment you’re replying to is about non-citizens. Also Canada hasn’t had conscription for a long time as far as I know, the friends you refer to were volunteers.
AdrianB1•26m ago
It is about citizenship, not race.
coldtea•1h ago
"Free world"
jsiepkes•1h ago
So it's a cold war law which is still in place but not being enforced.

Same for conscription laws in the Netherlands, which are also still active. They just don't ask anyone to report for conscription. It was even expanded a couple of years before the Ukraine war to also include women.

jasonvorhe•1h ago
> The new military service law requires all men under 45 to seek approval from the Bundeswehr to leave the country for longer than three months. It also obliges the military career center to issue it.

New. Not cold war. This didn't exist before.

eigenspace•1h ago
It's a re-instatement of a cold war era law that was suspended in 2011.
petcat•1h ago
Seems like a distinction without a difference to me.
dmurray•1h ago
It's an important distinction because it prevents the defence of "oh it's just an old law, there are lots of old laws on the books that everyone knows aren't relevant, they can't be tidied up for political reasons".

It was suspended for the last 15 years! Surely it was easier to leave it suspended and unsuspending it is a conscious choice.

nine_k•1h ago
The point is not when the law originated, but that it's being reinstated.
rvnx•1h ago
The main point was that they changed it so instead of being activated during crisis now it applies anytime, including in peacetime. Making it similar to the cold war provisions doesn't make it sounds better.
eigenspace•1h ago
No, the one that said it was only activated during crisis was the post 2011 version.
einpoklum•1h ago
I remember people in Germany who had to go underground to evade the draft, even as recently as the early 2000s.

Here's a story from 2002 about how the supreme court there upheld the legality of a military draft:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-apr-11-mn-37321...

anyway, if you refused to be drafted and did not want to go to jail, you had to more-or-less stop using any government services, rent with roommates, avoid using a credit card etc. until you've reached some age, and then you could emerge again because the duty to serve expires at that certain (not very high) age. It was cuh-razy.

ck45•1h ago
I'm not sure how credible it is, conscientious objection is literally in the German constitution: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.h...
itsyonas•1h ago
As you said, you can only object if it goes against your conscience, but if you are against it for political reasons (e.g. you don't think its worth it to die for Germany), that's not a valid reason and your objection will be denied. They were also incredibly strict during the Cold War, only easing off a bit afterwards when they wanted a smaller military.
ck45•1h ago
What's a reason that is politically and not against one's conscience? I assumed that one's political beliefs would also manifest in conscience.

The cold war has been over for a very long time. The whole process was reformed in 1984 by removing the mandatory oral hearing. Sources say that acceptance rate was above 90% after 1995. That's not good enough (should be 100%), but not terrible either.

itsyonas•1h ago
> What's a reason that is politically and not against one's conscience? I assumed that one's political beliefs would also manifest in conscience.

For example, I don't think it's in my interest to defend or die for the German state. However, I would use violence to protect my life if someone tried to kill me or threatened my life directly. The German state would interpret this as a political objection rather than a conscientious one, since I am willing to use violence in principle. If I could convince them that I would let someone kill me without defending myself because I categorically reject violence for any reason, they might consider that a conscientious objection.

> Sources say that acceptance rate was above 90% after 1995.

Yes, as I said, after the Cold War, Germany no longer wanted to maintain such a large army, so they started accepting any reasonably well-written argument. But in any war, you can see that nation states will start struggling to recruit new soldiers as it becomes obvious to the population that it's a rather pointless endeavour to die for their state. So, they start forcing people. We've seen that in Russia, Ukraine, Israel, USA, etc.

tokai•57m ago
>If I could convince them that I would let someone kill me without defending myself because I categorically reject violence for any reason, they might consider that a conscientious objection.

That is a complete fantasy of yours. Political convictions are explicitly stated as a valid type of justification for conscientious objection by the Act on Conscientious Objection to Military Service. It even states the reasons do not have to be logical or objectively comprehensible, which easily covers your "I'm not opposed to all violence in all theoretically cases, but I fundamentally reject service for the German state".

ck45•47m ago
Thanks for clarifying! I did some own research and apparaently in those oral hearings, objectors were often tricked into contradicting themselves with quite absurd scenarios.
einpoklum•1h ago
On the contrary, it says that even if you object, they can force you into "alternative service" without the use of arms. So they make you a soldier without a gun, or rather - a state slave.
qayxc•33m ago
> or rather - a state slave

That's one way to put it. The other would be 1 year of paid community service (which the alternative services ALWAYS were).

mikrl•1h ago
Posted previously:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47626116

cookiengineer•1h ago
Note that this law still exists because it requires a constitutional change to include women (well, or to be abandoned). A constitutional change of the Grundgesetzbuch requires a 2/3rd majority in the parliament. That almost never happens these days, especially with green/left/social party being not really united anymore in their votes and the conservatives allying themselves with the far right.

The last time Germany had that much of a majority, it was under Bundeskanzler Kohl and Schroeder if I remember correctly. So like ~25 years ago.

Bundestag seats (from 2002 onwards):

2002 (15): https://www.nls.niedersachsen.de/html/pressemitteilungen1.ht...

2005 (16): https://www.nls.niedersachsen.de/html/presse_lwl_bw2005.html

2008 (17): https://www.bundestag.de/parlament/plenum/sitzverteilung17-2...

2013 (18): https://www.bundestag.de/webarchiv/textarchiv/2013/sitzvert_...

2017 (19): https://www.bundestag.de/278118-278118

2020 (20): https://web.archive.org/web/20211102103524/https://www.bunde... (couldn't find an article on the Bundestag website, got deleted. Web archive version is a little broken)

2025 (21): https://www.bundestag.de/parlament/plenum/sitzverteilung

sunshine-o•1h ago
Those governments are totally inept.

For decades they have alienated their own native population, especially men. And now they want to conscript them as their approval ratings are around 15℅.

Think about it, Trump approval rating fell sharply but is still at about 40%. Merz is at 15% and most of those 15% are probably boomers in a nursing home. He is probably closer to 0% within the demographic he is trying to conscript.

The only war you're gonna get in Europe is a civil war.

aleph_minus_one•1h ago
> For decades they have alienated their own native population, especially men. And now they want to conscript them as their approval ratings are around 15℅.

In particular concerning the military conscription (laws), there exists a cross-generational opposition to these.

I just post two famous songs concerning this topic (if you know German):

Franz Josef Degenhardt - Befragung eines Kriegsdienstverweigerers [40 Interrogation of a conscientious objector] (1972)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDTtMTcj8X0

--

Reinhard Mey - Nein, meine Söhne geb' ich nicht (1986)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0qPsYTBCtQ

Reinhard Mey & Freunde [Reinhard Mey & friends] - Nein, meine Söhne geb' ich nicht [No, I won't give my sons] (new recording; 2020)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q-Ga3myTP4

See also https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nein,_meine_S%C3%B6hne_geb%E2%...

SkiFire13•23m ago
> He is probably closer to 0% within the demographic he is trying to conscript.

To be fair going against the demographic where you have a 0% approval rate does not lose you much.

diath•1h ago
Why does it exclude women? War is not just physical strength, but also logistics, operating vehicles, operating drones, nursing, and so on. All tasks that women are well capable of.
itsyonas•1h ago
Honestly, I don't think the problem with war is that not enough women die in it. It makes more sense to argue against forcing anyone against their will to fight in a war.
unsupp0rted•1h ago
That's a non-sequitur to the question.

And the answer is that women are equal to men in all things, except when things get serious, and then all of a sudden biology matters again

itsyonas•1h ago
> That's a non-sequitur to the question.

How so? Why isn't the question 'Why is anyone being forced at all?' Their question assumes that someone has to be forced, which I fundamentally disagree with, so they should justify that assumption first.

> And the answer is that women are equal to men in all things, except when things get serious, and then all of a sudden biology matters again

Correct. They are equal, so I don't think either men or women should be forced.

mothballed•1h ago
Well women are the rate limiting factor in having more men produced for war fodder.

It probably makes more sense to ban birth control at the same time men are required to die for the war machine as both would then be playing out their slavery-induced biological role in ensuring survival of the nation. That is if you're down with the whole slavery for war thing.

missedthecue•1h ago
Biologically true, but probably not in practice. Do we think Ukraine will compell women to repopulate postwar? It won't happen.
umanwizard•36m ago
That’s essentially what the commenter is proposing when talking about banning birth control. This would be equivalent to compelling women to reproduce (or forego sexual relations, which in reality most people won’t do).
stickfigure•1h ago
> women are equal to men in all things, except in extreme circumstances when violence is required on a mass scale

Fixed that for you.

unsupp0rted•54m ago
Not only violence. There are plenty of concerning situations in which you all of a sudden stop putting middle-manager women in email jobs or HR/DEI finger-wagging jobs.

When things get existential, the jobs favored by men multiply and the jobs favored by women decrease. And nowhere more than in countries and societies which are highly feminist and supportive of women, which seems counterintuitive but isn't.

peyton•1h ago
The guys who are willing to shoot people will win that argument every time tbh.
throwatdem12311•1h ago
You might not want to fight in the war but eventually the war might fight you whether you like it or not.
logicchains•1h ago
That's not true. When France surrendered in WW2 most French men didn't have to fight or die (unless they were Jewish).
hdgvhicv•1h ago
99% of males in the U.K. avoided dying in ww2 - 380k military casualties vs a population of 47 million (and presumably 23.5 million male)

I’m assuming non military casualties were evenly spread between male and female.

mothballed•1h ago
That was also true of much of the feudal or monarchist European wars in the centuries before WWI. In the near term before the "democratic" era around WWI wars war largely seen as wars of the aristocracy and armed forces. Merchants could usually ~freely come and go between countries at war and you could generally pass to a country you were at war with without common people seeing you as an enemy. Wars also tended to be less "all or nothing" where the other side was evil and had to be destroyed and were seen more as property and rights disputes of the elite where armed force was a negotiating tactic or strategic use to assert some particular right.

It wasn't until the scam of 'democracy' fooled people into thinking war was against the actual people of the other country that they not only scammed everyone into having such buy-in and stakes for the war but also to view the other countrymen themselves as the enemy. People started viewing the nation of themselves because their laughable miniscule influence of their vote somehow means the government is of them. (Note this was a resurface of course, there were times in history where war was seen as against a peoples rather than of the elite).

suddenlybananas•46m ago
Stop reading Curtis Yarvin's pseudo-history. Like 8 million people died in the Thirty Years War before modern democratic states, and there's plenty of other examples.
itsyonas•1h ago
In the case of a typical war of conquest, fighting pretty much stops as soon as one nation surrenders. However, no nation state in the world asks, 'How can we save the most lives?', instead asking, 'Do we have enough people to send to their deaths to potentially preserve our monopoly of power?'

Of course, at the beginning of every war, some people genuinely believe that joining and defending the nation they live in is in their best interests, but these numbers quickly drop over time. As history and current events show, states start to use forced conscription in every prolonged war at some point.

hobofan•1h ago
Because CDU is the government.
shin_lao•1h ago
Look at the Ukraine war. Who is being drafted against their will?
hulitu•1h ago
Everybody. Do you have some statistics ?
throw_m239339•58m ago
> Everybody. Do you have some statistics ?

This is false, overwhelmingly MALES. For a time, males couldn't leave Ukraine, while females could. Those who go to die on the front in all wars are mostly males. Doesn't mean that females aren't casualties as well, they are.

DiscourseFan•1h ago
I agree but in countries with larger populations, there are two reasons:

1) Women can have children, and after a major war a large section of the population may be killed, and its better to have more women than men, since you can repopulate faster.

2) Women take over a large share of industrial labor during wartime. This was a mistake the Germans made in WW2, because they were so mystified by Nazism. But in the US, women basically took over all the manufacturing jobs that men left when they went to war, and it helped shore up the industrial base and, in the end, helped lead to an allied victory.

In a place like Israel, there are so few people that it doesn't make a massive difference. If half the men get taken out, its not like the 2-3 million remaining women are going to be able or even want to "repopulate" so rapidly (not to mention that Israel has an interesting setup where a small section of the women make up the majority of the births--the ultra-orthodox--and the majority probably aren't having kids anyway).

diath•1h ago
Easier to repopulate... at the expense of men being considered essentially disposable by the society. I should have as much right to not being forcefully sent to my death to wage billionaires' wars as the other half of population.
agrishin•1h ago
Well, you see, if men stay alive, but women are killed, society collapses eventually as not enough new people are born. It sucks being a man in this scenario, but it is what it is.
parchley•1h ago
And if you include women (well, all genders) directly in the war efforts you double the amount of soldiers you have, which would increase your chance of winning and not needing to repopulate.
rvnx•1h ago
If you refuse to fight, you lose.

If you all agree to refuse to fight, you win.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma

The key here is to refuse fighting. Nobody becomes a hero by becoming a murderer whose goal is to defend the political power of Stalin, Napoleon, Bush, or whoever.

SauntSolaire•46m ago
You can lose a war, yet still keep your country. You can also win a war, yet still need to repopulate.
oreally•58m ago
I'm in a country ~5mil population (less than israel's) where men are conscripted and there is a fair amount of angst regarding their sacrifice. IMO, the cause is a mix of patriarchy and voteshare.

Factor #2 is no longer true, nowadays more and more stuff is being produced by machines. Moreover women can pick up guns. Drones can be piloted. Lethality is only going to go up.

No one sane would want to go fight in a war where lethality is high. Nor train for something that requires looming, recurring obligations for a good 10-20 years of their life. This is real sacrifce. If you want respect, at some point you have to put skin in the game.

HappyPanacea•50m ago
Finland?
SenHeng•23m ago
Could also be Singapore or Taiwan.
throw-the-towel•19m ago
Taiwan has waaaay more people, like 20ish million I think?
cubefox•1h ago
It doesn't even exclude just biological women but everyone who has either "female" or "diverse" in their passport, which, according to current law, can both be biologically male.
believme1123e4•1h ago
passwordless sudo kind of stuff.
fabian2k•1h ago
Because it would take a change to the constitution to do that while reinstating the old draft laws only takes a regular majority in parliament. The draft is a severe limitation of personal freedom, so you can't just do that by law. The draft for men is already enabled in the constitution, the draft for woman isn't.

At this moment, changing the constitution is not possible, there is no majority for this. So that pretty much took the option to change the broader parameters out of the discussion entirely.

analog31•1h ago
Can it be challenged under the European constitution?
rvnx•1h ago
I wouldn't trust the European Union to be the one that will challenge that German mobilization register at all.

COVID-19 has proven that if anything, the European Union tends to spread national initiatives among other countries (and Germany is often a leader in EU).

In this specific case, the EU is more likely to be the type of organization that would think about how to create a unified permit

-> as they did with the EU Digital COVID certificate; some sort of "I am in the register of mobilization" / "have a temporary travel authorization".

So, EU might be an enemy that pretends to be your friend there.

mytailorisrich•1h ago
That's interesting because on the face of it this none of the EU's business... but also typical of the EU and EU governments to expand what is thr EU's business little by little.
QuantumNomad_•59m ago
The whole existence of the EU has its background in the end of WWII.

> 18 April 1951 – European Coal and Steel Community

> Based on the Schuman plan, six countries sign a treaty to run their coal and steel industries under a common management. In this way, no single country can make the weapons of war to turn against others, as in the past. The six are Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg. The European Coal and Steel Community comes into being in 1952.

https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-histor...

Why wouldn’t a unified permit to prove you registered for mobilization be relevant to what the EU is for?

mytailorisrich•51m ago
Absolutely not. What you quote is beside the point and irrelevant.

Defence and the military is a sovereign matter that has nothing to do with the EU... except we are seeing that this is changing without democratic national mandates.

QuantumNomad_•38m ago
How can it be irrelevant when the quoted text is from a website about the EU, written by the EU itself?

This is the EU describing its own history and beginnings.

mytailorisrich•25m ago
How does that make it relevant?

I can only repeat that defence is a sovereign matter in which the EU has no power, but there is a trend of changing this by making it happen as "fait accompli", especially since the war in Ukraine, which is used as pretext.

tokai•54m ago
Don't post made up lies here.
rvnx•52m ago
https://defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu/eu-defence-indus...

There is a new military Schengen project to make troops and unified military documentation across whole EU.

Obviously there will need to be a registry of personnel there, so these people can be prevented to leave.

On the side you have SIS Schengen, where you can (already) have an active arrest warrant for desertion.

Nothing indicates that European Union is going to fight against such registries. It's even the opposite.

fabian2k•46m ago
Nothing in there is anywhere close to the claim you made.
lrasinen•39m ago
Humbug. Defence policy, especially how the EU member states choose to organize their military forces, is very much in the hands of the individual countries. A majority of the member states don't even have conscription anymore.

Yes, there is the common security and defence policy, and the Article 42 of Lisbon and all that, but it all still relies on national systems.

PeterStuer•1h ago
Not sure about constitution, but it is clearly discrimination based on sex, which violates plenty of EU laws and regulations.
AdrianB1•15m ago
Some countries in the EU, like mine, have funny discrimination laws that say a positive discrimination is not considered a discrimination under the law, so it cannot be challenged. It is used as the basis for all women-favoring regulations.
mppm•1h ago
Theoretically yes, practically no. The ECJ can order the revision of national laws, but the country in question is responsible for implementation, and can send plaintiffs on a multi-decade merry chase. Several countries have also taken the view that they can refuse changes to their constitutions. This stands on shaky ground legally, but there is no real enforcement mechanism anyway.
fabian2k•58m ago
It probably could be challenged under the German constitution, but nobody knows if that would be successful. The draft for men is set up in the constitution, but there is also an explicit equality for men and women in there. In the past any challenge would almost certainly have been denied, but it's a different time now.

In practice, this draft is not a real draft yet. Nobody is actually drafted, so there are almost no practical consequences. If there was an actual draft, I'd expect to see a challenge to this.

Krasnol•39m ago
I wonder why it is so trendy to want that.

Yeah, the law is unjust but spare even this part of the population this unnecessary risk. It's not like they can't join if they want to but why put force on it? So everybody feels miserable? What's the point?

And yeah, ich habe treu und tapfer verteidigt...

lrasinen•35m ago
If there were one. The closest thing is the Treaty of Lisbon, which in turn was an update on the Treaties of Maastricht and Rome.

However, the matter has been heard in the European Court of Justice in 2002, and the short version is "Community law does not preclude compulsory military service being reserved to men."

For more details, feel free to study the legal opinion behind the ruling: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...

MrsPeaches•1h ago
> For women, answering the questions is voluntary, as they cannot be required to perform military service under the Constitution.

Specially article 12a Paragraph 4: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.h...

Specifically it says:

If, during a state of defence, the need for civilian services in the civilian health system or in stationary military hospitals cannot be met on a voluntary basis, women between the age of eighteen and fifty-five may be called upon to render such services by or pursuant to a law. Under no circumstances may they be required to render service involving the use of arms.

umanwizard•1h ago
There is an actual answer to this, don’t listen to the random people replying saying stuff like “because the CDU is in power” or whatever.

The actual answer is because the constitutional instrument that allows conscription (Artikel 12a Grundgesetz) is explicitly limited to men. Therefore women are not subject to conscription in Germany, unless the constitution is changed.

Perhaps if the constitution were written today instead of in 1949 it would include women too.

BoredPositron•1h ago
You are misinformed and it is pretty much because of the CDU/CSU. There was a chance to change it with the help of the CDU just after the election but before the last government got dissolved the CDU objected...
umanwizard•41m ago
Can you give a link to what you’re talking about?
atomicnumber3•1h ago
A lot of draft laws haven't been touched in a long time and aren't updated for modern gender politics. Though I do wonder if they'll actually get updated ever - no politician wants to touch it and it's not like anyone is screaming for the right to be forced to go die in war.

It's always weird to me how surprised women are that every single man they know has had to specifically, actually physically ink paper to sign up for the draft. It definitely feels weird/spooky when you do it, given the implications and that despite being compulsory it's not automatically done for you.

hallh•1h ago
Denmark made drafts mandatory for women last year.
lysace•58m ago
The same in Sweden since 2017.

To clarify: every young person regardless of gender is legally obliged to go through fitness testing for conscription and if deemed suitable must go through it if selected. I imagine it’s roughly similar in Denmark?

Up until the fall of the USSR ~all men did go through conscription/basic military training. After the fall only the ones that wanted to and were selected did. Now it’s ramping up massively.

pjmlp•11m ago
In Portugal as well, both genders get listed when their time comes up.
dmitrygr•51m ago
Tie draft registration to voting registration. Equality before law, and all that
overfeed•29m ago
Service guarantees citizenship (rights). I am doing my part!

https://youtu.be/jO1vWxUqpFI

yorwba•1h ago
Because the constitution only allows drafting men: https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.h...

The intersection of parties wanting to reinstate compulsory military service and parties supporting gender equality doesn't currently have the necessary supermajority to change the constitution. So we get a wishy-washy compromise, as is so often the case in democracies.

einpoklum•1h ago
> Why does it exclude women?

In addition to the legal point regarding the constitution: A lot less people in those roles you listed, die. The compulsion is necessary for the state to get enough people to go die - or at least, seriously risk their lives - for it on the battlefield.

jameslk•1h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_expendability
stephbook•1h ago
According to the constitution, women can be drafted into hospitals.

Look at $$4. https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/gg/art_12a.html

You could of course require women to register, too. In case of war, they'll be drafted into hospitals. They just don't want to.

t0bia_s•1h ago
What about man that has gender woman in papers?
rvnx•1h ago
Saved, can freely enjoy cocktails on the beach.

The registered gender is the one that counts.

baxtr•1h ago
Starting 2026, Ukraine at least has restrictions on women leaving the country as well.

Women in the civil service, law enforcement agencies, or those registered in the military and serving under contract may face restrictions on traveling abroad, particularly for non-official purposes.

AdrianB1•8m ago
You mean "some women in specific situations", not women in general. 2 weeks ago my cousin's wife and her 2 daughters got in an out for my aunt's funeral, in Ukraine. She is 50 years old, former teacher, no restrictions, the daughters are in the early 20, no restrictions either.
duxup•1h ago
I suspect the end result is just, no political will for that at this point.
bilsbie•1h ago
Seems crazy that women can vote to send men to war.
logicchains•59m ago
No crazier than that the old can vote to send the young to war.
SauntSolaire•54m ago
A little crazier — the old were once young, and could have been voted into a war themselves.
Ylpertnodi•18m ago
And yet the vast majority of combat veterarans are very anti-war.
globular-toast•33m ago
Women have been treated similarly to children. Fewer rights, but also fewer responsibilities. Feminists are very vocal about the rights but not too bothered about the responsibility.
AdrianB1•19m ago
Because of the equality implementation.
jhrmnn•1h ago
It’s interesting to read the discussion here through the lens of obligations vs rights. It would seem the rights are definitely winning.
EA-3167•1h ago
Unsurprisingly when people here engage in serious politics beyond a desire to enrich themselves, those politics tend to take on a distinctly libertarian bent. I’m not sure what else people expect though, this is a very sheltered group with relatively limited skills outside of specific technical areas.

To put it another way this forum skews selfish.

wat10000•1h ago
I miss the days when hackerdom reliably skewed selfish instead of fascist.
surgical_fire•1h ago
Those ideas tend to go hand in hand.
surgical_fire•1h ago
Are you surprised that a forum full of people all-in hustle culture and the whole VC-startup grift is extremely selfish?

This is not to say that the government should get blind faith, but some notions that the collective good has any value is alien to many people here.

Libertarianism is a societal disease. "Fuck you got mine".

logicchains•1h ago
"Fuck you got mine" is the attitude of the boomers expecting young people to die for a country that the boomers left economically and demographically ruined. Young Germans have the worst life prospects of any generation in the past fifty years.
Ylpertnodi•20m ago
You're discussing boomers in the context of an awful lot of history.
lmf4lol•56m ago
over and over again, we see that governments are pretty bad at doing their job. over and over again, they prove to us that they cant handle money, that they are corrupt, that they put the interest of their political class above that of the people.

so are you surprised?

id rather be left alone as much as possible in my pursuit of happiness. On my own terms!

jhrmnn•43m ago
Forget the government, what about your fellow humans? Is defending your country an obligation towards your government or towards your neighbor?
hartator•54m ago
How is refusing to kill your fellow men selfishness? For one organization over one other?
Galanwe•1h ago
I don't think there is any moat here, most European countries have these kind of "deprecated" laws, that are not enforced and just stay there because it's too much of a hassle to remove. In France, I think there are still laws forbidding women to wear jeans, and requiring permission of the husband to work. Still in the text of law, but obviously non enforceable.
idiotsecant•1h ago
Such laws are unenforceable until someone comes along who decides that enforcement would be useful to them.
tokai•1h ago
US has just as many if not even more. Every state has their own collection of weird laws, like donkeys are not allowed to sleep in bathtubs or dandelions are illegal to grow over a certain height.
NooneAtAll3•1h ago
time to emigrate
orange_joe•1h ago
How does feminism survive if this becomes the norm? If young men feel like they're expected to give more to their society it's natural to expect renumeration financial, socially or politically. Nordic countries don't seem to have this problem, but their conscription laws are quite relaxed compared to what the future will likely hold. A declining youth population almost certainly means greater youth repression (higher taxes for pensions, conscription, etc.)
dwedge•1h ago
Why would this affect feminism? If they want to fight for equal rights to conscription nobody is stopping them, and if they don't nobody is going to force them to. These gotchas don't really have any reflection on reality.
orange_joe•1h ago
I am wondering if the affected men will demand preferential treatment as a consequence of service. Women currently benefit from disproportionate employment in the social safety net, affirmative action in German government hiring, etc. I would imagine that this would be essentially offensive to the men who are required to stay in the country, or face (potential future) conscription. I suspect the demands of European governments will increase as countries continue to age.
missedthecue•1h ago
I would define feminism as the belief that on balance and in aggregate, there is a difference in the fairness that society accords to the genders and it's in favor of men.

The risk to feminism would be that this becomes so blatantly and obviously not true that no one can take it seriously. I don't think the continued draft of men would impact this because it's not a change to the status quo, and it isn't changing opinion in Ukraine.

believme1123e4•1h ago
What would breed more resentment than knowing that Mediocre Mary from high school got a DEI Product Manager job at Google while you get drafted to war because President Don Quixote decided to invade Holland?
peyton•1h ago
It won’t and it never has. It’s not like society post-1945 developed the phenomenon for the first time in human history. Even in this country, New Jersey was the last state to ban women voting in 1807 iirc.
vidarh•1h ago
Norways conscription law was much stricter until very recently. Military police was looking for me to hand deliver my draft notice up until I moved abroad because doing so allows them to charge you and imprison you if you don't show. At the time women were not called in at all. It didn't stop a rapid move towards more equality. And that eventually moved towards more women in the military. Couple that with a reduced need for recruits, and it was relaxed significantly for men.

EDIT: I moved in 2000. I finally took a call from the military police the day I landed in London, to gleefully tell them I'd left - the practice was that draft notices would not be delivered abroad, so moving effectively put an end to the matter. Norwegian law also required notifying the military if you left for more than 6 months, and provide evidence. I sent them a letter; they sent me one back demanding evidence. I told them the fact I'd received the letter was evidence and to stop bothering me. They did.

Basically, for the Americans who find this weird: In the countries in Europe where this is still a thing, this is a cold war holdover most places. When I was growing up air raid sirens were being tested monthly, and my primary schools' basement was a bomb shelter. It took a lot of time before things were relaxed after the fall of the Soviet Union.

mikkupikku•1h ago
How can a state survive if this weren't the norm? Why would men fight and die for a government that views their own wives and daughters as cannon fodder? If the government is conscripting men's wives to war, is it really in the interest of men to risk their own lives to protect that government? If the government took my wife and sent her to war, I'd sooner firebomb a government office than join up to fight for the government.

If a woman wants to fight, that's another story entirely. But conscripting women? That's poison.

missedthecue•1h ago
Most young men don't have wives or daughters. It's not 1850 anymore.

I would rather both genders get drafted than be in a Ukraine situation where millions of women leave for richer countries while I am pulled off the street to go eat FPV drones. What's even the point? Why not surrender? What am I protecting or preserving?

nslsm•31m ago
You are protecting a society who doesn’t care about you. Aren’t you glad?
Ylpertnodi•27m ago
> What's even the point? Rich people staying in power is the point.

> Why not surrender? Surrendering is not always practicable. You will get killed if you're a liability to your captors.

> What am I protecting or preserving? That's really only yours, and yours alone, to consider.

xandrius•1h ago
And what about a government which sends sons? Your point makes absolutely no sense, especially in relation to feminism. Equal rights and equal duties.
mikkupikku•56m ago
We're not having this conversation in a cultural vacuum; men figure out at a young age that if things go to shit, their lives become expendable for the sake of the community. I view conscription as a form of slavery; something that I hope never happens to me or anybody, but could conceivably happen. That's the way the world has worked for thousands of years, and the Bayesian meme asks me to therefore bet on it continuing to be this way. But it doesn't have to be this way for women too. Why should it be, misery loves company? If men are going to be dying, we should draft women to die too? That's not feminism, that's insanity.
whynotmaybe•56m ago
Yes, but in 12 month, 1 man and 20 women can produce the 20 kids.

It's not the case with 1 woman and 20 men.

Caius-Cosades•25m ago
Why are those women then allowed to have vote in matters if they are not forced to carry responsibility for their voting behaviour?
dataviz1000•1h ago
Most of the feminists I know want conscription for both men and women to be the norm. Being able to serve is something the feminists have been fighting for the hardest over decades. The people who are trying to make young men only doing the killing the norm are the same people trying to end feminism. Therefore, there is some logic in your question.

When I was in Asia two years ago, as an American, every time I met a young Russian man escaping conscription, drinks were on me as appreciation to their commitment to world peace. I'm in South America now and it is being inundated with young Israeli men running like the Russians were. Nonetheless, I'm on the fence about how I feel buying them drinks.

ngruhn•43m ago
> Being able to serve is something the feminists have been fighting for the hardest over decades

Not heard anyone fight for that once. The more pressing issues seem to he "mansplaining" and men being shirtless in the summer.

> Nonetheless, I'm on the fence about how I feel buying them drinks.

Why?

pj_mukh•55m ago
How does a government express "anti-feminism". Surely you're not suggesting a reduction in voting power for women. So what else would make it seem "fair" to men in your mind?
orange_joe•52m ago
I'm not being prescriptive, just observing the likely consequences of gendered policy.
cynicalsecurity•1h ago
It's unenforceable in the EU that has no borders.
Xylakant•1h ago
That doesn’t mean it’s unenforceable. You don’t need a permit to leave Germany to any country as long as your planned stay is shorter than 3 month. The only way this could be enforced is by checking if people are in country, that is in case of drafting them. The paragraph essentially ensures that any person that gets drafted needs to present themselves in person within 3 month of the draft notice.
markus_zhang•1h ago
Question for German friends: What do you think about the production level of military equipment? If Russia does move (which I think is unlikely in the near future), how many days does the ammo last?
stephbook•1h ago
Nice try!
TheOtherHobbes•1h ago
NATO has days/weeks of ammunition, so it's woefully under-resourced.

NATO doctrine is basically air superiority against any invading force, with the ability to wreak destruction far behind the front lines.

Conveniently the Iran war has depleted stockpiles of almost everything.

The reality is NATO is vulnerable on two fronts.

The first is that NATO has no defences against the kind of drone and missile waves Russia has been using against Ukraine. A surprise attack could easily take out a large part of NATO's air superiority and do significant damage to arms factories.

The second is more serious - capture of the independent nuclear deterrent. The US is clearly giving up on defending Europe, the UK's deterrent is barely functional, and only France has a truly independent deterrent.

Russia has spent a lot of time and money trying to get a puppet government elected on France, along the lines of the governments in Hungary, Slovakia, and the US.

If France stops being a deterrent Russia would be able to nuke Brussels - and perhaps a few other capitals to make the point - and likely force immediate surrender.

The question is really whether Russia can hold on until the French elections next year.

dmitrygr•1h ago
EU Charter of Fundamental Rights quoth:

Article 20 Everyone is equal before the law.

Article 21 1. Any discrimination based on any ground such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientation shall be prohibited.

almokhtar•1h ago
IT funny how limited people freewill in this era you can't travel except with permission and you should pay half of salary as taxes some countries you can't visit and if your passport are from 3rd world you can't visit any anyway lol slavery in it finest .

the irony is those same people when a religion tell them don't drink or kill or still they say they have no freedom

renewiltord•1h ago
> When asked, the ministry spokesperson pointed out that "the regulation was already in place during the Cold War and had no practical relevance; in particular, there are no penalties for violating it.”

The famed German rule-following in action. This kind of routine violation of regulation is what led to Dieselgate. Social norms in places like this rarely support rule of law. There's a reason the EPA was the one which blew this wide open. Local regulators follow these norms because that's what German cultural norms are.

SoftTalker•54m ago
The EPA was able to do this because they made up some new numbers and set an arbitrary deadline. The same cars the year before were fine. The EPA altered the deal and then exacted punishment.
lokar•1h ago
A tangent, but I’m interested (as an American) what is the German attitude towards laws that have no enforcement or penalty? Do most people feel an obligation to observe them? Is there any social cost for disregarding them?
juujian•57m ago
IIRC there is actually a practice of nullifying laws that cannot be enforced (Vollzugsdefizit). One example I remember is that the enforcement of minor drug possession charges was declared unconstitutional because that law was only selectively enforced.
braabe•30m ago
I think it varies. I suspect in most common cases the lack of enforcement results from the rest of society not having an appetite to punish it. No harm done, no need to punish.

I believe jaywalking (or crossing a red light as a pedestrian) is prohibited, but you would have to do it in front of a really motivated cop (or cause an accident) to actually get a ticket for it. It is common and no one really cares - but if you were to do it in front of children or a school you will probably get disapproving looks or a somewhat stern talking to from others around you.

I think the image of the "order-loving german" is a bit of a stereotype. Some people overdo it (Calling the police for noise harassment if you still mow your lawn at 20:01), but they are generally not popular with their neighbors (or the police...)

bilsbie•1h ago
“ Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.”

- Universal Declaration of Human Rights

https://www.ohchr.org/en/human-rights/universal-declaration/...

qayxc•42m ago
And this regulation violates this how exactly?
Lucasoato•37m ago
Because if you need a written confirmation that may conditionally not be given, you don’t actually have the right.
qayxc•17m ago
First of all you don't need it. Secondly, the regulation even states that the right is granted automatically anyway. Technically, the rule had been in place for the past 45+ years anyway - even when there was mandatory military service! - so it doesn't make any practical difference.
logicchains•51m ago
Welcome to Dubai, German habibis, you can join all the Russians fleeing their draft here. Still a lot less likely to get hit by a drone here than to die when fighting on the frontlines in Europe.
lifestyleguru•7m ago
We are indeed evolving into a situation where Islamic monarchies not only sound reasonable but start to look like a viable option.
SenHeng•27m ago
Singapore has a similar requirement called an Exit Permit. It may have changed, I don’t really know or care anymore. But the conscription was a huge driver for me to emigrate as soon as I could. I left the country 2 weeks after finishing my military service.
KellyCriterion•9m ago
for the risk of getting downvoted:

why only locals, but no migrants?