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Iranian missile blitz takes down AWS data centers in Bahrain and Dubai

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/iranian-missile-blitz-takes-down-aws-data-centers-in-bahrain-and-dubai-amazon-declares-hard-down-status-for-multiple-zones
83•lschueller•4h ago

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VoidWarranty•2h ago
Not to be insensitive about the humanitarian and economic situation, but, I am curious why there are data centers in that region at all? It just seems horribly inefficient from a cooling and electricity standpoint. Not to mention water.

My pessimistic assumption is that Amazon said "yes" to handouts from regional government efforts to be relevant in tech, and that those data centers dont really matter to anyone but local politicians and monarchs who believe they have a seat at the table.

Fairburn•2h ago
Once Iran ramps up, its going to be a free-for-all against all US data infrastructure. Iran has friends in low places so they don't have to do all of the dirty work themselves. This should be a wake-up call.
watwut•2h ago
Why would water for data center be an issue there? They dont need to drink it.

It was business for those contries. Just like finance, travel and wgat have you.

InvisibleUp•2h ago
Hundreds of millions of people live in the Middle East and a lot of large corporations are based there. Likely they thought it would be profitable, and likely they saw some decent use.
mnky9800n•2h ago
I think you are overfitting to temperature as a variable in this decision making equation.
einszwei•2h ago
Data centers can run on closed loop cooling systems which doesn't need continuous water supply. Only bottleneck is Energy supply which the MEA area doesn't lack.
bawolff•1h ago
I imagine the same reason they have a data center in places like Sao Paulo. More locally centred businesses want the low ping, and AWS wants to be your cloud compute provider of choice no matter where your target audience is.
rkagerer•1h ago
If anyone here is involved in making decisions about where to locate such centers, I'd love to hear more about how geopolitical risk factors in, and whether you plan and price out contingencies (e.g. "This is near an unstable area, worst case is we write off $###M, but after Y years it breaks even. And the site is better in these other factors than alternative Z over there..."). Is it similar to factoring for geophysical instabilities (e.g. earthquake/tsunami zone) or other risks? Or would this type of event catch you completely offguard? I'm guessing insurance riders specifically exclude these types of risks.
zipy124•36m ago
Insurance. No need to write off anything or take a loss, just a slightly increased yearly cost. The cost of said insurance is likely going to be very high for a long time now though.
wiml•4m ago
Sure, but insurance is just outsourcing that calculation to a third party. AWS is big enough that I would think they largely self-insure, though I don't know if they do.
tiew9Vii•1h ago
Middle East isn’t some 3rd world. If you can imagine futuristic cities, rich Middle East countries are already living in them with all the oil wealth.

They have phones, computers, digital services just like the US and Europe. Makes sense they want a data center in the region, close to them just like the US and Europe have data enters close to their users.

andrepd•1h ago
Slight tangent, but to me futuristic cities are actually places like Amsterdam, with cozy streets and bike lanes everywhere, not places like Dubai with 16-lane freeways and a quasi-slave underclass staffing the tacky malls.
echoangle•20m ago
If you take futuristic to mean „looking like the future“, it think the second option is sadly more futuristic for some people
mlinhares•16m ago
Its sad that people think the "future" is all about owning stuff for yourself and not what the city can provide to its population.
nutjob2•1h ago
If you can imagine dystopian cities, rich Middle East countries are already living in them with all the oil wealth.
haliskerbas•48m ago
San Francisco feels the same s/oil/tech/g
toast0•1h ago
There's a fair amount of nearby customers. There's decent connectivity via undersea cables to Europe, East Asia, and Africa. UAE, Bahrain, Qatar and Saudi Arabia are very encouraging of outside investments in their countries.

I did some work with hosts on GCP in the region and you get fun things like hosts in Israel has bad routes to customers in nearby countries and vice versa, though. I don't know if AWS has access to better routing. Definitely a case where physical distance doesn't really correspond with network distance.

paxys•1h ago
Because there are customers there
someotherperson•1h ago
Yes, and also pushed for by the Israeli and US governments. Tech investment is part of the Abraham Accords - i.e this is part of the prerequisites for normalization of ties with Israel.
2OEH8eoCRo0•52m ago
It's extremely efficient from an evaporative cooling perspective.
gorgoiler•36m ago
I was thinking the same thing about cooling. I guess a high pressure heat pump can work in any environment if it compresses a gas up to a temperature that’s higher than ambient. Couple that with abundant cheap energy — sunny, oily, and gassy! — and it doesn’t seem unreasonable at all.
seany•21m ago
Data governance compliance is a huge issue for some industries. "The days can't leave the country" will drive AWSs normal customers to demand bespoke regions setup and turned on
edgarvaldes•9m ago
Yes, I'm surprised no one else has commented on this. Some regulations require that at least some backups be located in the same country or region.
uluyol•7m ago
Electricity? It's probably one of the best places in the world to have a solar+battery installation?
ChrisArchitect•1h ago
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47632503
bawolff•1h ago
I do think there is some irony that the Iran war took down all the AWS datacenters in the middle east except the one (or 3 i guess) in Israel, which is still chugging along.

Like as a strategy its kind of weird. Iran plans to force Israel to stop by wrecking the economies of a bunch of countries that are basically frenemies of Israel? I suppose its meant to pressure USA, it just seems like a terrible strategy.

ceejayoz•1h ago
It's not that they don't want to hit the ones in Israel, it's that they're better defended, and further away.

Bahrain to Iran is ~140 miles. Dubai is ~100 miles. Israel is closer to ~600.

bawolff•1h ago
No doubt. But it still seems like a bizarre strategy. They can't shoot the people they want so they just shoot these other randoms.
andrepd•1h ago
These other "randoms" are US allies which host bases and equipment used to attack them.

In more practical terms, wrecking shit up in places like Dubai that made their name off air travel and attracting "expat" douchebags, is a very effective way to get them to pressure the US to stop the war. So is blowing up oil infra and stopping transit in Hormuz for allied nations.

ceejayoz•1h ago
AWS isn't an "other random", it's a core piece of American infrastructure, and Bahrain hosts the US Fifth Fleet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Support_Activity_Bahrain

Same for Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, etc.; all host US bases. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-military-facili...

lenkite•47m ago
These randoms not only host U.S. bases supplying logistics for the attacks on Iran, but were are launch pads for missiles https://www.wsj.com/world/iran-war-land-missile-strikes-22ca... until Iran ensured the launch sites were destroyed

"Videos verified by Storyful, which is owned by News Corp, the parent company of The Wall Street Journal, indicate that at least some of the launches came from Bahrain, the tiny kingdom just 125 miles across the Gulf from Iran."

The air bases are still being used as launch pads for drone strikes and chopper missions.

toyg•1h ago
It's supposed to show to regional US allies that the American military cannot really protect them, pushing them to apply pressure to end the war in the short term, and to cool their relationship with the US and Israel in the long term.

It has had some effect; the emirates are desperate to find a way out of this conflict, and various figures have publicly said "the system of alliances [with the US] has worked but needs to be modernized" - i.e. we can't allow Americans to do what they want anymore.

geraneum•30m ago
Do Americans do what they want because they are “allowed” by gulf states?
greggoB•18m ago
It (normally) has an effect on the military calculus - e.g. if the US weren't allowed to have military bases in these countries, the possibility to take such action seems less plausible.
guerrilla•15m ago
You need to think that all the way through. The answer is obviously yes. Yemen is a perfect example. Iran is obviously as well. Afghanistan another great case. It is certainly possible to resist US pressure. Iran is asking the gulf countries to do that. Imagine how much better they would all be able to resist the US together as well, better than each alone.
hunterpayne•3m ago
The gulf countries hate Iran and have for a very very long time, longer than even the concept of the west has existed. Iran throwing around ballistic missiles is far more like a temper tantrum than a viable military strategy. And its a strategic gift to Trump. Whether he/we can take advantage of that, IDK.
AdrianB1•57m ago
The data centers in Israel are protected by their AA systems that have more interceptors available than the Emirates. For weeks there are rumors about low stocks of interceptors in the Emirates and Saudi Arabia, while Israel manufactures their own while also getting more from US, so their stocks were probably way higher and replenishment better.

Also the Emirates are in range of short range cheapo drones and Iran build lot of these, while Israel is farther away.

Barrin92•7m ago
it's a good strategy. There's no point in trying to stop Israel by harming them economically because they know perfectly well that like for them, this war is existential. The Gulf states are financial hubs and tourist destinations disguised as countries and so their wealth is a neuralgic point, the Gulf states and also by extension the US actually respond to having their economies wrecked.
dmix•1h ago
Pretty sure this is old news being repackaged
laweijfmvo•23m ago
So can Amazon file a claim with the Us government for compensation? Does their insurance cover this? Or do they just eat the loss?
lschueller•17m ago
I am anything but a legal expert, but my guess would be that this falls under the aspects of force majeure. Which doesn't mean, that in a couple of years they try to take this to court.
lokinorkle•15m ago
No, I’d say they’ll get it back with free Iranian oil in a few weeks.
cypherpunks01•9m ago
US gov is not going to reimburse a private company for war damage caused by a sovereign country.

Property insurance generally has war exclusions, insurance co will deny claims. Unless there is some affordable magic 100% war damage coverage policy sold in the middle east, which is doubtful, no insurer would be able to successfully underwrite anything like that.

The company eats the losses and the recovery efforts it wants to persue.

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