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France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

https://techcrunch.com/2026/04/10/france-to-ditch-windows-for-linux-to-reduce-reliance-on-us-tech/
198•Teever•1h ago

Comments

josefritzishere•1h ago
We're going to keep seeing this due to destabilization and political changes in the US. It drives nationalization elsewhere, even among allies.
_verandaguy•1h ago
It doesn't help that Microsoft seems to be doing everything in its power to alienate Windows users.
recursivegirth•1h ago
This, I've officially been off Windows for a few months and will not be looking back. Microsoft has put a bad taste in my mouth as a developer.

By luck and happenstance, I tuned into the Omacon conference this morning and my perspective on personal computing very much aligns with theirs. Would encourage a least watch the kickoff keynote if the VODs drop.

htx80nerd•1h ago
this has been happening on and off for ~10+ yrs. MS cost are too high and you need more expensive computers to have the MS sub-par experience.

the main thing that keeps people locked in is (a) "Im use to windows" and (b) MS gives them some special contract to keep them.

shafiemoji•1h ago
Wish the Bangladeshi government did this instead of relying on pirated copies of Windows 7
BLKNSLVR•1h ago
At least they know enough to have stuck with the outright best version of Windows.
BLKNSLVR•1h ago
I hope it succeeds and I hope they document the experience and invite interested parties to see how it was setup and how (well) it works in order to encourage as many governments and organisations as possible to do the same.
Teever•1h ago
I’ve commented on this before but you’ll know France is serious when there are Linux ports of Solidworks and Catia.

France has a real edge over American companies by being the dominant player in the CAD world, it’s always surprised me that they nerfed that advantage by tying to an American operating system.

carefree-bob•1h ago
Autocad has 39% market share in CAD, Solidworks has 14% market share, and Fusion 360 has 9%.

None of this is a major national advantage for any side. It's bizarre to think that the US or France would treat this as some kind of mark of national influence, since if anything happens to these top three vendors, there are lots of other vendors waiting in the wings. It's not like a national oil reserve, where it's important that you have a reserve of CAD software available for your engineers.

Teever•1h ago
But what kind of projects are people using these different pieces of software for?

Are people designing aircraft carriers in Fusion?

Don't get me wrong, I understand that AutoCAD is extremely important for architecture and the death grip that AutoDesk has over that industry needs to be broken for the benefit of all of us, but from my understanding Dessault Systems makes software that is used for totally different purposes and is of vital strategic importance for a nation that wants an independent MIC which France obviously does.

So it seems foolish to me for them to have their own CAD software that can and is used to design weapons but be dependent on an American operating system produced by a particularly unscrupulous company who is obsessed with tighter and tigher control and has definite ties to the US intelligence apparatus.

carefree-bob•53m ago
I doubt that the US military itself is using commercial CAD software, most likely they are using something in house. Again, CAD software is not Extreme Ultra Lithography, where it is a marvel of engineering and can only be produced by one firm. The netherlands can rightly be proud of ASML as a national achievement. But CAD software? Now that's just goofy.

Check out: https://www.army.mil/article/249241/armys_powerful_open_sour...

But I would assume defense contractors -- the private firms like Lockheed -- are probably using commercial software. The US military is pretty bureaucratic and is filled with bespoke stuff, whereas the contractors are basically businesses and would use whatever is common in commercial business world.

ThePowerOfFuet•35m ago
>Are people designing aircraft carriers in Fusion?

I don't know, but I have watched people designing high-speed trains in CATIA.

ezst•59m ago
Wasn't CATIA running on unix even before it ran on Windows?
otabdeveloper4•1h ago
What? Again?

I lost count, it's how many attempts again? Fill me in.

icfly2•1h ago
The gendarmerie already switched.

Only place I know that went back to MS is Munich city council. After MS put a big research office in the town.

forty•1h ago
As far as I know it was successful for the gendarmerie and assemblée nationale for exemple. There are many public entities and apparently each migration is news worthy
mrheosuper•14m ago
It needs just 1 successful attemp.
moron4hire•1h ago
I wish the US Government would do the same
heyflyguy•1h ago
man, that's great - but can you imagine some bureaucrat lifer having to adapt to this?
MegagramEnjoyer•1h ago
we need more tech literacy overall, so this might help with that also
yorwba•1h ago
Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47716043 (764 points 5 hours ago, 384 comments)
ChrisArchitect•1h ago
[dupe] Discussion on source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47716043
sherburt3•1h ago
I'm sure there's a barely functioning business critical app that runs exclusively on Windows NT in their administration that would beg to differ
psychoslave•1h ago
It can be ported to React under a single prompt by now, don’t you know?

But certainly we are already at stage where Windows NT can be regenerated on the fly from a prompt anyway, aren’t we?

Otherwise, there is also ReactOS that could be leveraged on for that kind of scenario. I wonder where it would stand by now if all the money that governments around the world spent in Microsoft license would have been invested in it instead.

justinclift•1h ago
Sure. But if they can successfully convert 99% of their computers to non-Windows and non-Mac, that'd still be a massive win.
BLKNSLVR•1h ago
Ideology may actually be the best way to cut off legacy bullshit like this. There's passion-energy, which really gets the creative problem-solving juices flowing.
ang_cire•1h ago
If it only runs on NT, it'll work better under WINE than on Win10/11.

Legacy app compat is actually an argument for moving to Linux.

yibers•1h ago
I am saying this as a very long time Windows user, and it saddens me. Politics aside, from a pure technichal, functional, privacy and UX perspective, the case for changing over from Windows to Linux is getting stronger by the day.
lithos•1h ago
If you picked XFCE as your front end you get WinXP functionality, with the nice things from win10/11 (start menu search that's actually local only, multiple desktop workspaces, and graphical settings/updates I've only needed to go to command line twice in four years).
yibers•59m ago
How does XFCE compare to KDE and GNOME? Also, does it has all the nice window snapping features that I'm used to fron Windows?
lithos•50m ago
My personal PCs have enough screens that I haven't tried. Though I do really like Windows snapping features on my work laptop (can't change OS there).

I haven't played with other windowing systems to judge too much. And just picked right from screen shots/gifs to not need to try.

cwillu•27m ago
I don't think all the same shortcuts exist out of the box, although win-drag/win-right-drag to move and resize windows (might be alt by default) is _so_ much more convenient than the usual border/title dragging that you might find you don't miss them.
mrj•2m ago
As a long time Linux user, this comment makes me sad since many of those features were copied from Linux (many from Unity) :)
PaulDavisThe1st•18m ago
I am saying this as a very long time Linux user, and it saddens me. Politics aside, from a pure technical, functional, privacy and UX perspective, the case for changing over from Windows has been apparent for several decades.
lousken•1h ago
Now nextcloud and libreoffice should give up the stupid drama and focus on beating microsoft.
dleslie•1h ago
Canada has been using and developing FOSS for a while now.

0: https://www.canada.ca/en/government/system/digital-governmen...

1: https://events19.linuxfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017...

2: https://github.com/canada-ca/

There's still a great deal of Windows usage, but hopefully that will phase out with the passage of time. Canada's bureaucracy moves slowly, at the pace of generational attrition. It won't be until the last GenX retires that they could even meaningfully begin transitioning the average office worker away from Windows.

realo•1h ago
Apparently not everyone got the memo...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/federal-phoenix-pay-sy...

dleslie•1h ago
The Phoenix contract predates the more recent efforts to switch to FOSS.

But also, Canada loves to burn money on American suppliers. It's probably why the recent interest in _Buy Canadian_ has the American administration annoyed.

AtlasBarfed•1h ago
The fact that open source is a national security concern should have been something that a crazy orange man should have triggered.

Thus was obvious decades ago. And open source is the key model for collective development in a secure manner for disparate countries to secure their software base.

Alas, I fear they will only concentrate on the server side. The securing of the desktop should be a parallel concern as well, to help prevent your citizenry from becoming DDOS slaves.

1970-01-01•1h ago
>The French government did not provide a specific timeline for the switchover, or which distributions it was considering.

Do they realize they need to pick a LTS distro now? You can't mix and match distros without having a massive IT and user retraining budgets.

_blk•48m ago
They likely don't. It's a purely political move not a technical move. With the average length of the French work week, this will take a while to implement anyway. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great thought but I don't think it's more than a short-sighted reaction. Munich unfortunately faltered after a few years.
ErroneousBosh•22m ago
Why would you need any user retraining?

All distros are basically identical. The only real difference is whether you spell "package manager" as apt, yum, or dnf.

WaryByDesign•1h ago
[Yeah, if I'm just gonna be down-voted to oblivion regardless of my participation in the comments, good luck with your 'meaningful discussion'}
mixmastamyk•1h ago
If they only diverted 10% of the budget from MS to solving issues they’d have had a solution a decade or two ago.
WaryByDesign•1h ago
[Yeah, if I'm just gonna be down-voted to oblivion regardless of my participation in the comments, good luck with your 'meaningful discussion'}
mixmastamyk•1h ago
All of that came about without them spending anything. So the extra is just to fix bugs and do integration work. StarOffice (LibreOffice ancestor) existed in the 90s—I used it and it was fine for government work.

File storage? Cheap by Y2K as well.

WaryByDesign•6m ago
[Yeah, if I'm just gonna be down-voted to oblivion regardless of my participation in the comments, good luck with your 'meaningful discussion'}
danny_codes•36m ago
You’re saying a government couldn’t take open source building blocks and run.. office apps with basic security and.. file storage? For $100M a year? This could be done with a 30 person team
WaryByDesign•28m ago
[Yeah, if I'm just gonna be down-voted to oblivion regardless of my participation in the comments, good luck with your 'meaningful discussion'}
Akronymus•1h ago
Werent the munich government employees quite happy with linux, but microsofts lobbying with their headquarters got them to switch back?
WaryByDesign•44m ago
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LtWorf•16m ago
> I'm not aware of Microsoft's economic footprint in the Munich region, but I doubt it's significant.

Perhaps be aware before explaining everyone how things really are?

WaryByDesign•7m ago
[Yeah, if I'm just gonna be down-voted to oblivion regardless of my participation in the comments, good luck with your 'meaningful discussion'}
Slothrop99•8m ago
Were they? Sounded like they stuck with some terrible old version of OpenOffice ("brokenoffice"). Users don't really care about the OS, its the apps.
bornfreddy•58m ago
Motivation matters.
WaryByDesign•6m ago
[Yeah, if I'm just gonna be down-voted to oblivion regardless of my participation in the comments, good luck with your 'meaningful discussion'}
samsk•53m ago
Earlier attempts were mostly about money and ideology. Now its a question of security, thanks to one 'clever' 'businessman'. So thanks to his _great_ efforts, it might actually work out this time.
WaryByDesign•6m ago
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ricw•48m ago
Munich is a bad example - they were effectively „bought out“ by Microsoft by investing hugely into the local economy in the form of offices and employees. It was also two parties that kept flip flopping with different priorities. Linux itself had some hiccups but was fine from what I recall.
WaryByDesign•39m ago
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gus_•15m ago
https://itsfoss.com/munich-linux-failure/

It doesn't matter if this or that doesn't work. Or if Microslop pressures to continue using Winslop.

Now the reasons are geopolitical.

WaryByDesign•6m ago
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fxtentacle•48m ago
Munich led to "all of Schleswig-Holstein" in Germany. 44,000 Exchange mailboxes replaced with Open-Xchange. 25,000 Windows+Office desktops replaced with Linux+OpenOffice.
WaryByDesign•15m ago
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atherton94027•30m ago
You must be German — the French state is a lot more top down than Germany with its regions, so generally these kinds of mandates get applied broadly
WaryByDesign•22m ago
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MegagramEnjoyer•1h ago
I applaud France for this decision. Windows is basically legal spyware and adware at this point
somat•45m ago
I understand what they mean, linux offers freedom, enough that it divorces your tech stack from any one company.

But isn't linux US tech? The blueprint, UNIX was a US project, torvolds works from the US. the original userland GNU was a US based project. The new userland systemd is a US based project.

benterix•41m ago
> But isn't linux US tech?

If you want to discuss it on that level, it if Finnish tech imported to the USA, inspired by a Dutch implementation of a research OS.

On a more serious note, Linux has been developed by many individuals all over the world, you can't put a nationality stamp on it.

nix0n•27m ago
Linux is a global project, and open source more broadly is also of course global.

Linux Mint (the distro I use) was started and is led by French developer Clement Lefebvre.

QEMU and FFmpeg are among the notable projects started by French developer Fabrice Bellard.

VLC was started by students of École Centrale Paris.

These are just the things that I know about as an American, so I'm sure there are more.

tensor•21m ago
The difference, of course, is that they can inspect the source, and should the US try to use it as leverage they can just fork and continue on.
simonask•37m ago
Please tell me this also means that they are redirecting the expenses currently going to Microsoft into funding open source development?
sega_sai•29m ago
I think France seem serious in actually switching to open source/EU software. I recently had a telecon on Visio (France's Teams/Zoom substitute) and it worked well in a browser with ~ 10 participants.
charcircuit•23m ago
Desktop Linux's security and antimalware solutions are not ready for government usage. This is a cyber attack waiting to happen if they go through with this. They should at least switch to ChromeOS if they want to use Linux.
bornfreddy•8m ago
You mean switch Windows by Microsoft for ChromeOS by Google? Weird suggestion.

As for "security" and "antimalware" solutions being ready, I don't think there is much difference between the OSs there. Windows is no candyland either.

As always, they will need competent people in the right places to pull this through. Tech is just an enabler.

Melatonic•21m ago
The age of the Linux desktop might actually finally be coming

Personally I think we are at an interim period for a big player to emerge and take over this space. If enough governments in the EU start switching over to customized linux distros theres a big chance for someone like Nokia to come in and develop their own approved distro with proper MDM and GPO-like management functionality baked in .

On top of that it could be great to see SteamOS continue to gain share and become more than just something people run on gaming purpose hardware.

And thirdly would love to see a more simplistic but super lean and functional OS built on something like the BSD.

upcoming-sesame•3m ago
honestly since the browser has more or less become the real operating system the host OS doesn't matter so much anymore. most people do 90% of their work in the browser anyway
jodrellblank•1m ago
> "theres a big chance for someone like Nokia to come in and develop their own approved distro"

Microsoft bought Nokia's devices and services division for Windows Mobile in 2014. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Mobile

jaspanglia•11m ago
Wish it would succeed, other day was reading about stuff and figure out, how much European Tech is actually controlled by American/Israeli Hegemony.

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