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The noise we make is hurting animals. Can we learn to shut up?

https://www.technologyreview.com/2026/04/16/1135179/anthropogenic-noise-hurting-animals/
42•joozio•2h ago

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QuantumNomad_•1h ago
https://archive.is/F7tiS
stonecharioteer•1h ago
We don't have compassion for fellow human beings. I don't think we will ever have compassion for animals who are sensitive to noise.

Example: Diwali is a horrible time to be a stray animal in India. Heck, even my pets hate the festival. But humans will always be self obsessed and say it's for celebration. Sure.

everdrive•1h ago
Per Blaise Pascal, no they cannot: “All of humanity’s problems stem from man’s inability to sit quietly in a room alone.”

We need to keep growing, building, making, taking. Some people seem to really love the bustle and creative destruction. I'm in my 40s, and I've always hated it. When I was a child, I wondered if when I grew up, I would fit naturally into the world the way that so many others seemed to. The answer was no. I don't know why people need to be the way they are. I don't feel comfortable in so many normal situations. The things that bother the animals bother me too, but for most people this is unthinkable in the same way that other modes of thought are unthinkable. (eg, when someone who thinks mostly in words learns that some people think only in pictures)

BLKNSLVR•1h ago
I'd like to say that there may be some human cultures that are / were generally respectful to their environment and the animals therein, but it's hard to say how much that was an 'enforced' position based on their level of technological evolution.

I think it's a fundamental rule that the 'rape and pillage' types will always overrun the non-'rape and pillage' types. Much in the same way the sociopaths are able to climb the corporate ladder with relative ease. The nature of nature, seemingly.

andai•1h ago
As a kid I remember wondering why all the countries that exist seem to be jerks. Why aren't there any nice countries? Then I thought about it for another 5 seconds and it made a lot more sense.
Pay08•1h ago
I'd very much hesitate characterising countries as a whole.
andai•1h ago
No I mean if you set up a simulation where there's a bunch of entities who are chill and a bunch of entities who are not chill, and then you run the simulation...

Wait a minute, that rings a bell!

https://ncase.me/trust/

Pay08•1h ago
By that logic, every single human should be a psychopath by now.
BLKNSLVR•24m ago
I think that's far from true, going by the simulation game thingy.
BLKNSLVR•35m ago
That game / simulation is fantastic. Thanks for sharing, I'm gonna pass it on at work.

More than fantastic, it's beautiful.

maccard•1h ago
Machiavelli nailed this 500 years ago in the prince. If one person always plays by the rules, they will lose to the group who ignore the rules,
6LLvveMx2koXfwn•29m ago
Ecuador has Rights of Nature articles incorporated into their 2008 Constitution [1] effecting national decision making in investment and development.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_of_nature_in_Ecuador

ofrzeta•12m ago
You are not alone.
oblio•4m ago
Nice philosophising, but it's vehicles. Primarily cars, but not only.

By far the most common and the loudest source of noise, especially in cities, are vehicles, again, primarily cars.

During the pandemic it became painfully obvious how loud cars are. Every time a city closes down streets, the same thing can be noticed.

It's going to take a really long time to heal this wound.

Tade0•2m ago
> By far the most common and the loudest source of noise, especially in cities, are vehicles, again, primarily cars.

Hugely depends on the city. Where I live it's the cargo trains and airliners. Congestion is too severe for anyone to make significant noise, unless they have modified/dysfunctional exhausts or particularly large engines.

Tade0•4m ago
You would absolutely love Switzerland.

Many things surprised me there, but it's the relative quiteness that did it the most.

Trains arriving like massive ghosts, cars obeying the speed limit and not a single soul gunning it from the intersection.

Meanwhile back home every night I can hear all kinds of "motoring enthusiasts" abusing their machines so that they won't hear their intrusive thoughts or something. It feels like a zoo in comparison.

luckys•1h ago
What about the impact of EMF pollution? The book "the invisible rainbow' goes into that, though I don't expect this type of position to be well received in HN. I find it very healthy that this type of "invisible" pollution gets at least some discussion, however. We have to start somewhere.
Pay08•1h ago
Is that book actually based in science?
luckys•1h ago
It's a book that challenges some established views. If that makes it anti-science... It's up to a person whether they judge a book based only on a superficial understanding of it and without having read it.

I recommend it. I can't promise you will like it or find it interesting or agree with any of it. I find it important enough to recommend to people when this type of subject comes up.

Pay08•1h ago
A lot, I'd hazard the vast majority, of these things are pseudoscience at best (remember "microwaves will give you cancer"?). Does "challenging established views" means presenting hypotheses with empirical evidence or claiming that EMF is from Hell?
windex•1h ago
During the Covid lockdowns in India, I saw birds I had not seen in decades. It was amazing; the skies had cleared up, and nature truly was recovering.
BLKNSLVR•1h ago
And humanity as-a-whole learnt nothing.

Let's hope there's some more movement in the right direction as a result of _this_ crisis.

jraby3•57m ago
There will almost certainly be more pandemics and they'll probably be worse. The world is getting smaller, and what takes a super high end lab these days (in terms of virus creation) will be done by college students in 20 years.
vlachen•8m ago
I firmly believe that William Gibson nailed it with the Jackpot in his recent books:

nothing you could really call a nuclear war. Just everything else, tangled in the changing climate: droughts, water shortages, crop failures, honeybees gone like they almost were now, collapse of other keystone species, every last alpha predator gone, antibiotics doing even less than they already did, diseases that were never quite the one big pandemic but big enough to be historic events in themselves.

xnx•1h ago
I'd like to include "humans" in the list of animals being hurt by anthropogenic noise.
BLKNSLVR•1h ago
Unfortunately those least responsible will receive the greatest damage.
wewewedxfgdf•1h ago
Whenever there's a beaching of whales I wonder if a submarine has sailed past blasting sonar so loud the whales have to jump out of the ocean to their death.
andai•1h ago
https://archive.ph/F7tiS
andai•1h ago
Also noise pollution. Also pollution pollution...
throwpoaster•59m ago
The noise we make is hurting _us_. Decibel levels in cities are unconscionable.
KempyKolibri•55m ago
Lol have they seen what we do to animals for taste pleasure?

It's not a question of "can we learn to shut up?", it's "will humans ever care enough to even want to learn?".

outime•53m ago
The amount of suffering people go through because of noise is pretty insane (some more than others). The most common situation I see in Europe is living in poorly insulated apartments with neighbors who act like they're in a pub 24/7.
naasking•37m ago
The noise we make is hurting humans too.
setnone•5m ago
The amount of noise on this website is ridiculous
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