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How Silicon Valley Is Turning Scientists into Exploited Gig Workers

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/ai-silicon-valley-andreesen-thiel-stem/
53•ZunarJ5•1h ago

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christkv•53m ago
Yes a poor PhD that goes to work at OpenAI is truly punished with a 1/2 million salary and stocks. A university that owns the IP output of PhD students is probably as bad a villain in this history.
whatever1•48m ago
This is about the $10/hour that they give to freelancers to solve math/physics/chemistry problems so that they can train the LLMs on them.

I get approached by “recruiters” all the time about this.

kloop•42m ago
To be blunt, those freelancers wouldn't be doing this if they had better options

Every time one of these articles come up, you can recognize that silicon valley is treating these people badly, but you should remember that everyone else is treating them worse

j45•38m ago
Doesn’t make it ok.

I do wonder how minor this foundation has been laid w where graduate students may be conditioned exploited by colleges.

TeMPOraL•29m ago
Academia already has a well-established structure of exploitation, with menial work falling down on grads and some undergrads, while credit for it being captured higher up in the tree.
whatever1•34m ago
> To be blunt, those freelancers wouldn't be doing this if they had better options

Correct, this is what the article points out.

Their options were squashed when SV was praising DOGE and the cuts to national research grants based on keywords like “inequalities”.

Nobody had the time to check that mathematicians also use the term.

We wrecked our research and the vultures got cheap labor to put lipstick on their slop machines.

philwelch•25m ago
The problem is much older than that. Academia didn’t start overproducing PhD’s and exploiting grad students and adjuncts in 2025.
alex43578•22m ago
Yes, it’s much better to spend “$400,000 for a Research Project on Whether Ducks Enjoy Classical Music”, just to ensure not a single grant went unfulfilled.

We have a $1.78T deficit. The ducks and the mathematicians will need to take a cut at this point.

christkv•10m ago
PhD was always a fools errand. There are only so many possible professorships with tenure and the people there never seem to retire because obviously they like being paid that good money and being basically able to do what they want.
TeMPOraL•32m ago
Also if they're solving problems to help LLM training in their domain, that's actually pretty useful contribution to science - and definitely more directly useful than the work that dominates actual research, i.e. chasing grants instead of researching.
trevithick•28m ago
Still bad for the scientists. They get little money and zero recognition.
philwelch•25m ago
They already didn’t get money or recognition.
TeMPOraL•21m ago
Right. They get to contribute something useful and be paid for it, which is better than nothing, but it's sad that their talent is being wasted.
LeCompteSftware•17m ago
"that's actually pretty useful contribution to science"

Why? Serious question. Surely the only people using the LLM for such specific STEM domains are the exact same people who are "chasing grants instead of researching." Certainly I can see how training an LLM on this stuff can help automate the process of grant-chasing, and maybe OpenAI can expand their homework cheating business to graduate schools. But I do not see how this stuff helps honest researchers, except a bit around the margins (e.g. perhaps Claude isn't so good at the Perl used in bioinformatics, that's a use case justifying some RLHF from a PhD).

It really seems like the main utility of this stuff is getting a higher score on Humanity's Last Exam and showing the customers/investors that actually Opus 4.9 is 2% smarter than GPT 5.5. Separately there are AlphaProof/etc-style LLMs for solving real research problems in math and CS, but those techniques don't even work for theoretical physics, let alone biology.

TeMPOraL•8m ago
LLMs are actively used in research all the time, they help with finding and processing existing knowledge, forming and testing hypotheses, analyzing data, writing software, brainstorming, and countless other tasks that form actual research work, as distinct from "grant chasing" and "publishing papers", in which they help, too.

(I mean, OpenAI released GPT-Rosalind just yesterday, and - surprise - it's not meant for chasing grants.)

It's not 2023 anymore, it's 2026. LLMs are good enough to be useful. They have been for at least a year, and they keep getting better. You need to be living under a rock for the past few years to not notice that.

LeCompteSftware•25m ago
That shouldn't be viewed in isolation. A major root cause is essentially overproduction of academics downstream from the Cold War, and obviously the private sector is not to blame for that.

But you can't ignore how much modern Big Tech has sucked away from academia compared to the tech companies of the Cold War era. Microsoft Research and Google Research have some impressive folks, but even combined they are a scientific pittance compared to the might of Bell Labs, and there is far more interference from the business side. This despite the fact that the executives of those companies are vastly wealthier than anyone from Bell Labs in the 20th century, even adjusting for inflation.

And of course it's not just the executives: every 7-figure Google software engineer should get a >$100k pay cut, and that money goes to a STEM PhD to pursue nonprofit research at Google Labs. Believe it or not, $100k is still pretty competitive for a young PhD mathematician (similar to assistant professor at a selective state school). Even if it's chump change for a guy who fine tunes AdSense.

svnt•22m ago
This assumes regulatory capture is not a thing.
philwelch•31m ago
How does that compare to adjunct pay?
tclancy•14m ago
How many people do you think you are describing?

>A university that owns the IP output of PhD students is probably as bad a villain in this history

In the battle of Peter Thiel (or Marc Anddrressenn) vs Your Strawman, I'm putting my newly-minted rugpull coins on the guy who thinks he's Tech Jesus.

inquist•47m ago
Too many ads, did not read
kspacewalk2•43m ago
Invest in an ad blocker or Firefox with 'reader view'.
breve•16m ago
Or both. uBlock Origin works best in Firefox:

https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...

redwood•15m ago
I think it cuts both ways because these types of people are the ones who can wield this technology as a Swiss army knife to do really interesting things and in fact if they can build on top of their own peers' collective toil then they can avoid doing that toil themselves and potentially do greater things.. at least that's the theory.

If some of them want to temporarily participate in the toil, nothing wrong with that, after all that's what doing a PhD is anyway. Same goes with homework and problem sets earlier in the science trajectory.

The greater fear that we won't need these types of experts b/c in the future machines will have all the intelligence or the ratio of humans with expertise to the overall population will somehow drift is certainly a societal level concern as we offload intelligence to the machines but the flip side of it is that will not be able to learn how to higher level of abstraction or more quickly than ever before enabling more of us to actually develop expertise, or at least a new type of expertise.

Not that Star Trek is meant to be real but when I think about the crew of the Starship Enterprise I imagine few of them actually know all of the ins and outs of how the warp drive work but they're able to travel around with star system

WhitneyLand•5m ago
In case you wonder where the current trends come from.

“Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen have parlayed their extensive ties with the president into an unabashed assault on universities and institutional science. In private text messages leaked to The Washington Post last year, Andreessen wrote that “universities are at Ground Zero of the counterattack.” He characterized Stanford and MIT as “mainly political lobbying operations fighting American innovation at this point” and vowed that universities would “pay the price” after “they declared war on 70% of the country.” Most troublingly, Andreessen called for the National Science Foundation to receive “the bureaucratic death penalty.””

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