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The Living Lattice – Explorables of the intelligence theorem

https://lattice.project89.org/
1•sebg•21s ago•0 comments

Show HN: Tron Hilbert Curve Macro

https://github.com/EricNelson12/retrocycles-hilbert
2•i_am_a_squirrel•3m ago•0 comments

ChatGPT for Healthcare

https://help.openai.com/en/articles/20001046-chatgpt-for-healthcare
1•thimabi•4m ago•0 comments

AI Is Destroying the Junior Developer Pipeline. Fix: Preceptorships

https://newclawtimes.com/articles/microsoft-russinovich-hanselman-junior-developer-pipeline-crisi...
1•andrewstetsenko•6m ago•0 comments

FreeRDP 3.25 Adds Experimental AV1 Support

https://www.phoronix.com/news/FreeRDP-3.25-Released
1•breve•8m ago•0 comments

X.1095 – Entity authentication service for pet animals using telebiometrics

https://www.itu.int/itu-t/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=15708
1•fulafel•11m ago•0 comments

Using the internet like it's 1999

https://joshblais.com/blog/using-the-internet-like-its-1999/
7•joshuablais•13m ago•0 comments

Show HN: PayClaw – a gasless USDC wallet for AI agents (12 frameworks)

https://github.com/ONSARI/payclaw-skill
1•onsari•18m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: Is there still an opportunity for an affordable CPanel alternative?

1•panelica•19m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Twitter for Voice Notes

https://earful.world/?q=&tab=all
1•quinto_quarto•20m ago•0 comments

Explore H-1B labor condition application filings

https://layoffhedge.com/h1b
2•qwertyuiop_•21m ago•0 comments

Pausing new self-serve signups for GitHub Copilot Business

https://github.blog/changelog/2026-04-22-pausing-new-self-serve-signups-for-github-copilot-business/
1•tech234a•21m ago•0 comments

Lirantal/PyPI-security-best-practices

https://github.com/lirantal/pypi-security-best-practices
1•rbanffy•22m ago•0 comments

Python Type Checker Comparison: Speed and Memory Usage – Pyrefly

https://pyrefly.org/blog/speed-and-memory-comparison/
2•rbanffy•23m ago•0 comments

Machine Learning Visualized – Machine Learning Visualized

https://ml-visualized.com/
1•rbanffy•23m ago•0 comments

Old Computers in My University

https://mrunix.me/posts/old-computers-usto/
5•mrunix•23m ago•0 comments

Spark: Bitcoin's Payment Layer for Stablecoins and Instant BTC

https://www.spark.money
1•janandonly•26m ago•0 comments

From Jammy to Resolute: how Ubuntu's toolchains have evolved

https://ubuntu.com/blog/from-jammy-to-resolute-how-ubuntus-toolchains-have-evolved
1•vyrotek•29m ago•0 comments

The company building America's first mail-order servant robot

https://www.dezeen.com/2026/04/23/1x-neo-servant-robot-factory/
1•mikeaskew4•30m ago•0 comments

Outrage over Oracles thousands of H-1B requests amid layoffs

https://nypost.com/2026/04/02/us-news/outrage-over-oracles-thousands-of-h-1b-requests-amid-layoffs/
8•reconnecting•30m ago•1 comments

1-Click Linux alpha is out now

https://blog.arusekk.pl/posts/1-click-linux-alpha/
2•speckx•31m ago•0 comments

GitHub banned me for no understandable reason

https://blog.hellbeast.eu.org/Github%20banned%20me%20for%20no%20understandable%20reason
3•regalialong•33m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Env Validator (NextJS and SvelteKit)

https://github.com/Chrilleweb/dotenv-diff
2•chrillemn•34m ago•0 comments

Picklecast – Eliminate your Chromecast dependence

https://evan.widloski.com/picklecast/display.html
1•Evidlo•35m ago•1 comments

Meta says it will cut 8k jobs as AI spending grows

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crm1y89vek8o
4•billybuckwheat•36m ago•0 comments

From 800ms to ~25ms: harness-driven optimization of a CUDA matmul kernel

https://github.com/YupengHan/matmul_optimizer
2•icyace•37m ago•0 comments

Which AI coding tools do developers use at work? (JetBrains, 10k devs)

https://blog.jetbrains.com/research/2026/04/which-ai-coding-tools-do-developers-actually-use-at-w...
3•AgentNews•37m ago•0 comments

The Broader Landscape of Robustness in Algorithmic Statistics

https://arxiv.org/abs/2412.02670
1•sebg•38m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Chestnut – The antidote to AI-induced skill atrophy

https://www.chestnut.so/
3•NickMiladinov•40m ago•0 comments

A Dutch team must lose to reach playoffs

https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1sri60x/bizarre_situation_in_dutch_second_division_den/
1•theopsimist•40m ago•0 comments
Open in hackernews

Meta to cut 10% of jobs, or 8k employees

https://techcrunch.com/2026/04/23/meta-job-cuts-10-percent-8000-employees/
215•Vaslo•1h ago

Comments

booleandilemma•1h ago
Programmers only or across the company?
OtomotO•59m ago
Never at the head... Although the fish begins to smell at the head, as we say here...
swiftcoder•11m ago
They don't have 80k programmers. That's total staff
reconnecting•1h ago
Given the same trend at Oracle and Amazon (1), it seems large corporations are cutting costs ahead of bad news... and that news isn't about AI.
PunchyHamster•1h ago
It is about AI. The news is "the AI is far less monetarily lucrative endeavour than we thought but don't worry, we already fired enough people to compensate for the loss"
kakacik•36m ago
... the just around the corner syndrome. And when new quite capable model comes, prices triple in 6 months like with chatgpt 5.5 now and they are still losing on it. Soon, hiring that junior will be cheaper than monthly subscription. I am struggling to imagine ie some big bank willing to invest just for this say 50 millions a month.

Then within few years, when the amount of bugs in quickly produced software skyrockets and it will be extremely hard to debug that code by hand, market will change again. These llms will find their solid place but not at current projection/investment wishful thinking. And definitely not for software that is continuously developed, changed and fixed for decades (which is default for most corporate apps, be them internal or vendor ones).

mirrorlogic•32m ago
Punchy FTW
Ancalagon•1h ago
Re:

> If America’s so rich how’d it get so sad

> https://www.derekthompson.org/p/if-americas-so-rich-howd-it-...

lpcvoid•56m ago
Yeah, also first thing I thought about. What a shit time altogether right now.
BurningFrog•47m ago
It's well known since ancient times that money doesn't buy happiness.
voxl•44m ago
And it only takes an ounce more wisdom to recall this phrase: "Money can't buy happiness, but it helps."
hluska•40m ago
These comment sections are getting more and more useless by the day.
renticulous•35m ago
Money buys you Freedom. A much more general category theory type framing.
tbossanova•8m ago
Money can’t buy happiness, but being broke will certainly make you unhappy
peacebeard•39m ago
Money doesn’t buy happiness but it does buy groceries, day care, car insurance, etc.
sdevonoes•37m ago
And little money buys even less. What’s your point?
gedy•35m ago
Maybe but this happiness chart seems to reflect economic recessions (including some unofficial ones)
ambicapter•32m ago
Not if you pop in to the HN thread for that article, funnily enough.
vonneumannstan•28m ago
Not really the standard line anymore. https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/does-money-buy-h...
darth_avocado•22m ago
That’s just what people with money tell the people without money to stop them from rioting. We have research that suggests that money indeed does buy happiness.

https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/does-money-buy-h...

There are exceptions of course. Some people are just predisposed to being unhappy no matter the circumstances, but generally speaking more money directly correlates to increased life contentment.

lamasery•14m ago
It sure as shit buys relief from lots of sources of stress (even little ones like "having, non-optionally, to track how many dollars of goods are in your shopping cart at the grocery store" or "having to check how much money's in the account before you start pumping gas") and credible safety from various very-real threats (e.g. homelessness, not being able to afford important medical treatment). Like, it's extremely good at that.

It buys actual non-hypothetical liberty, as in greater choice to do what you like with your time and your self. It relieves one from unpleasant but necessary tasks (by paying someone else to do them).

adammarples•26m ago
Huh, did anything happen in 2020? I'm wracking my brains trying to think of anything.
kartoffelsaft•15m ago
As the article touches on, it's not just about what happened in 2020, but why it hasn't rebounded. It's been long enough we can't use 2020 as an excuse.
rvz•1h ago
Is this what they mean to "Feel the AGI?"

AGI has been achieved internally once again at Meta.

OtomotO•59m ago
Asocial Grumpy Interests?
advisedwang•29m ago
> AGI has been achieved internally once again at Meta

Care to elaborate on how you came to this conclusion?

josefritzishere•1h ago
It's the economy is struggling or something.
shimman•1h ago
All the more reason why we need workplace democracy. The elites clearly do not know how to run a business and the economy is the final frontier for democracy to expand into.

Something tells me that the workers at Meta, if given a chance to have self-determination, would run a better shop than Zuckerberg himself.

krapp•1h ago
>All the more reason why we need workplace democracy. The elites clearly do not know how to run a business and the economy is the final frontier for democracy to expand into.

One might almost say workers should... own the means of production?

oytis•1h ago
Every programmer owns the means of code production (unless they forgot how to code without Claude). Turns out it's not necessarily enough to make money.
oblio•58m ago
Code production is not code distribution nor code advertisement, nor code marketing in general, etc.
oytis•55m ago
Yeah, that's the thing. You need the whole business to turn code into money, and you need this business to be run well, and either do what people with big money want it to do or to make lots of people with small money pay for its product regularly. Either way, it's not what autonomous programmer commune will do well in my opinion
bombcar•46m ago
It's usual for the programmers (or laborers in general, perhaps) to assume that their portion of the business does all the "real work" and the 60-70% "rest of the company" do nothing and add no value.
jerkstate•59m ago
The means of production are for sale, they can own them if they want!
skirmish•51m ago
But we don't pay for coding tools, we want them for free!
bee_rider•52m ago
Although, Facebook doesn’t produce much, right? Some glasses I guess. “Workers should own the means of collecting data to influence people towards some sources of production” doesn’t have quite the ring to it.
readthenotes1•45m ago
Workplace democracy would work better than democracy does anywhere else?

And, of course, every tech worker already has a vote. As the saying goes: they can vote with their feet.

OtomotO•1h ago
That's a very un-american way of thinking... Didn't you get the last 100 years of propaganda against any kind of socialist thoughts?

You filthy communist!

khriss•56m ago
I know it's implied, but you would be wise to add a /s

Quite a few folks on HN have developed a remarkably thin skin and no longer make the most charitable interpretation.

matchbok3•56m ago
Where is there a successful socialist economy that produces innovative products that impact the whole world?

I'll wait for you answer.

wahnfrieden•55m ago
Are weekends off un-american too because it came from worker movements?

Re: replies that one day off has been around much longer. Yes that’s why I said weekends off. The change was for 2 days off.

BurningFrog•43m ago
Saturday's off came from Exodus 20:8-11, about 1400 BC.
TeMPOraL•42m ago
Saturdays are communist. Sundays are far-right.
mrbombastic•6m ago
What do i have to be to get Fridays too?
JumpCrisscross•55m ago
We’re still on a startup forum, right?
oytis•59m ago
What would they do with this self-determination? It's not that Meta is producing something useful you know.
fl4regun•28m ago
maybe they could produce something useful with that self-determination? or are you being sarcastic?
oytis•18m ago
Meta, as an organization, is not designed to produce anything useful. If someone at Meta thinks they could organize a programmer collective that would make its members good (or any) money, they can just walk out and do that. Computers are cheap, means of production are not what limits people's capacity to earn living with code.
matchbok3•57m ago
These workers have a better gig that 99% of Americans. They certainly have "self-determination".

If they can run it better than Zuck they are free to try, believe it or not.

wahnfrieden•53m ago
Huh?
swiftcoder•10m ago
> These workers have a better gig that 99% of Americans

Given that the cited 10% includes the folks who have to drive 2 hours each way to cook/clean in the campus kitchens... not sure that they do. Meta isn't all software engineers, by a long shot

pan69•44m ago
Elections for executive leadership doesn't sound all that crazy to me. With 30+ years in the business I have witnessed my fair share of executive whackos that wouldn't have passed a basic sniff test if they had convince workers that they should be the one leading them.
matchbok3•41m ago
We already have votes for leadership. It's called employment and market share.
prism56•1h ago
Wonder if there is a self fulfilling prophecy. These large "AI" companies push their models/platforms for increasing productivity. If they're not reducing their own workforce or increasing productivity and reaching larger growth and profits, why would the rest of the world believe them and do the same.
dwa3592•1h ago
Would it be Mark's cloned AI who will call everyone 'personally' to share this news?

I won't be surprised if that's one of the use cases in their mind.

shmatt•1h ago
if you've ever been through a Meta loop (and their method is to cast an extremely wide net, so chances are you have), you've seen how inefficient their loop can be for long term success

6-7 38* minute interviews, while the interviewee is trying to squeeze in showcasing their skills and experience, the interviewer is obsessed with figuring out a rigid set of pre-determined "signals"

Once these candidates actually start work, their success in the team is a complete coinflip

* 38 minutes = 45 minute scheduled - 2 minute intro - 5 minute saved for candidate questions at the end

nobleach•58m ago
That wasn't my experience at all. I had a recruiter screen where she asked me some technical questions. I then had a longer discussion, then a code screen, then an arch-deep-dive. The entire process was very professional and EVERY person came off like they really wanted me to succeed. (Sure it's an act but it's a very helpful act when you're in the hot seat)

My intervews were in 20202/2021. Perhaps things have changed?

shmatt•56m ago
You had interviews scheduled longer than 45 minutes?
stuxnet79•40m ago
2020/2021 might as well be ancient history in tech terms. Your experience does not reflect the current status quo at all.
chis•46m ago
What is your point exactly lol. You'd prefer longer interviews? More, less?
-warren•21m ago
So let me ask this. What is the perfect mix of inerviews and durations?

If you ask my blue collar friends, the answer is one and however long it takes to drink three beers.

If you ask any married person, the onboarding process (courtship) may last YEARS and consist of many interviews (dates).

As an EM, ive always struggled with this one. Im about to invest some serious coin and brainspace for you, so I tended towards a max of 3-6 total hours and a takehome assignment.

As an IC, I preferred short and sweet. Heres my portfolio (github), heres my resume. Lets make this work. Maybe 1-2 hours; its not like we're getting married.

The happy place has to be in there somewhere. Whats your take?

geremiiah•1h ago
The only part of Meta I care about is the PyTorch team. Are those people also being affected by this?
htrp•50m ago
a bunch of them already left....
trjordan•58m ago
It's an honest surprise that this isn't spun as "internal AI efficiency gains." They want the efficiency, of course there's AI component, but they're not pre-claiming victory. Neat.

It's worth remembering that there's an _actual_ underlying economic problem here. Interest rates are up. AI spending is expensive. A dollar invested in a company needs to do _more_ than it did 5 years ago, relative to sitting in treasury bills. And Meta isn't delivering on that right now.

But IMHO: that's no excuse. This is admitting defeat, deciding to push the share price higher while they give up. Meta has the user data, the AI ambitions, the distribution, and the brand.

They could do anything, and the world is re-inventing itself. They're ... laying off people, maximizing profits, and giving up.

Cowards.

rishabhaiover•52m ago
I have a genuine dislike for all Meta products now. With time, their intentions have become much more clear and it was never to bring people closer or whatever.
fidotron•44m ago
Going back to the G+ era, I remember even by that time the FB dev advocates (these existed) came off as seriously slimy, to the point that it was clear we couldn't have the Google and FB reps in the same room at the same time. (And the Google ones were much more good humored about this).

Admittedly that was just a couple of guys, but it takes something to be so obviously toxic yet still chosen to represent the values of your company at a third party.

Arguably the Google ones were guilty of naivete, but that's not a crime you'd want to punish too hard, and I was myself guilty of far worse.

kakacik•44m ago
Its pretty safe bet to completely ignore any PR, be it meta, apple, google or whatever, and just look at past actions of company and owners/ceo. Shallow talk is very cheap, morality often isn't. Then no surprises happen, practically ever.
sevenzero•22m ago
This really should be a basic concept every human needs to understand. Public communication in 99% of cases is fabricated to please the masses, but usually hides a lot of the actual intentions of the communicating party. Whether it be advertisers, politicians, CEOs, certain news channels and whatnot. You can not trust public speeches without digging for some info yourself.
mr_toad•26m ago
> With time, their intentions have become much more clear

Wasn’t the original intention behind facebook to accumulate a directory of hotties, probably with the aim of bringing them ‘closer’? They pretty much put it on the label; it’s not called personality book.

trelane•7m ago
> Wasn’t the original intention behind facebook to accumulate a directory of hotties, probably with the aim of bringing them ‘closer’?

Sort of.

Wikipedia @ 2:

> Mark Zuckerberg built a website called "Facemash" in 2003 while attending Harvard University. The site was comparable to Hot or Not and used photos from online face books, asking users to choose the 'hotter' person".

Britannica:

> Despite its brief tenure, 450 people (who voted 22,000 times) flocked to Facemash. That success prompted Zuckerberg to register the URL http://www.thefacebook.com in January 2004.

> They pretty much put it on the label; it’s not called personality book.

Wikipedia @ 3:

> A face book or facebook is a paper or online directory of individuals' photographs and names published by some American universities.

Wikipedia @ 1:

> Zuckerberg coded a new site known as "TheFacebook", stating, "It is clear that the technology needed to create a centralized Website is readily available ... the benefits are many."

[1] https://www.britannica.com/money/Facebook

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_book

swingboy•7m ago
I think the “face book” was used prior to the name of the company for what you would call a college student directory. Like a yearbook.
swader999•51m ago
I'm guessing a lot of these large companies will have massive layoffs followed by slightly less massive re-hiring in 6 to 18 months.
thewebguyd•45m ago
Correction, the layoffs will be followed by massive re-hiring overseas in 6 to 18 months.

The domestic jobs aren't coming back.

simmerup•38m ago
AI: actually an indian

Seen in foreign workers remote driving ai cars, foreign workers training ai robots, etc etc

kbar13•37m ago
why do we feel that way? it's becoming more and more likely that developments in AI lead to a K graph in experience / value - senior / self sufficient workers will be significantly more valuable than ever.

unless you mean that the quality of domestic workers is declining, which i'd agree in most things (tho for some things like software i think still has a chance)

vostrocity•29m ago
I don't think the quality of US workers has to decline. The quality of workers in lower CoL places like India simply has to increase, and it has. Both of the companies I've worked for have opened India campuses in the past few years.
aprilthird2021•20m ago
I hire for such companies and the quality of US workers vs foreign workers who move here on visas is much different. To be fair, foreign workers who move here on visas tend to be the rich and highly educated of their own country and US workers are more distributed across SES. They also have more education on paper bc they usually need a masters or more to be eligible to work here
ghaff•9m ago
The compensation of software tech (especially Silicon Valley) has also gotten much higher over the past number of years in the US compared to disciplines requiring the same level of education/experience both is the US and even Western Europe. I expect this will equalize with outsized tech salaries becoming a thing of the past except for a few individuals with proven track records.
ValentineC•16m ago
Hot take: their quality is possibly a reason these people were unable to leave their country in the first place.
jordanb•22m ago
American workers got uppity. Forgot their place. Started protesting company decisions and wouldn't return to office. Hiring may eventually come back but not any time soon. Workers need to be chastised first.
sdthjbvuiiijbb•15m ago
>it's becoming more and more likely that developments in AI lead to a K graph in experience / value - senior / self sufficient workers will be significantly more valuable than ever.

I don't buy this at all, this narrative feels like pure cope to me. The skill ceiling for working with AI tooling is not that high (far lower than when everyone had to write all their code by hand, unquestionably). To me it seems far more likely that software engineering will become commoditized.

I'm sure everyone posting about the supposed K graph believes that they're on the valuable side of it, naturally.

Analemma_•23m ago
I’m curious why this meme is so sticky. In the early 2000s people were also panicking that all the software jobs were going to India and never coming back. It was so pervasive it made the cover of Wired magazine, but it never happened. Why is this time different?
lotsofpulp•19m ago
Maybe it did happen, but the expansion of broadband internet, and then mobile broadband internet, caused an enormous demand for additional and different types of programmers that was unable to be satiated by people outside of the US.
smallmancontrov•18m ago
Remote coordination tools are no longer utter dogshit.
bdangubic•17m ago
The reason it never happened wasn't that MANY jobs went off-shore (they did) but that the pace of this paled in comparison to number of new jobs that were opening up on-shore. Now that we are seeing demand stall on-shore this is going to hit the front more-so than before. Many layoff news later come with "oh by the way, we also hired x,xxx people off-shore. I think has generally been overblown but I think it is a thing if someone actually wanted to run "America First" campaign and actually mean it, to outlaw or make off-shore development cost-prohibitive. I work on a project in a company that employs now about 1k people and over 40% of that workforce is off-shore. Just about every colleague I have (DC metro area) that works at another joint is in the same spot (or much worse, like CGI etc which doesn't even have developers on-shore anymore...)
pydry•10m ago
>Why is this time different?

The humiliation of all of the disastrous failures has been lost to history and PMC are once again bullish about their cost cutting genius.

aprilthird2021•21m ago
Meta has done several rounds of such layoffs since the post COVID interest rate hikes and they do not have a larger employee presence abroad since then.

They also, unlike a lot of their cohorts in FAANG, don't have a significant engineering presence in India and it hasn't rapidly grown since COVID either.

JeremyNT•38m ago
Not buying it personally, I think this is the start of a slow unwinding.

AI won't replace everybody overnight, but it'll make 10% layoffs year after year a real possibility.

Either people are simply made redundant because bots in the hand of a bot wrangler can do much of their work, or people are relatively less efficient than their peers because they refuse to adapt to a world where AI is a force multiplier.

dboreham•27m ago
Also doesn't help that nobody can say how many people it needed to develop and maintain software even before AI. Elon declared the emperor had no clothes.
autaut•15m ago
He really didn’t tho. X was constantly breaking and falling apart in his hands, so he repackaged it in xAI where he got a bunch of money to hire a bunch of engineers to develop features and keep it running. It’s still not profitable. But people have no critical thinking skills so they haven’t noticed this
oytis•22m ago
Not going to argue about what will or will not happen (predictions are hard, especially about the future), but you absolutely don't need AI to explain layoffs at Meta. On one hand they have a failed investment in Metaverse and an underwhelming attempt to participate in AI race. On the other hand they have a stable advertising business that doesn't need much innovation, but can always benefit from some cost cutting
JeremyNT•17m ago
I think this is broadly correct too.

They obviously biffed it by hiring for a bad moonshot when the pandemic money printers were turned on, and now they have plenty of belt tightening to do.

heathrow83829•6m ago
but why rehire at all? if AI is even half as competent as they say it is, then they don't need all those employees. Afterall, some of the latest models are passing the GDPW benchmark with flying colors. wouldn't it make sense to just keep laying off more and more and replacing it all with AI?

I think there's a big disconnect between how competent the AI crowd says it is vs reality.

121789•50m ago
this seems a little hyperbolic without knowing details. they probably already cut around 5% every year for performance anyway (their performance reviews probably just came out). i could pretty easily see the rest of the reduction being unprofitable businesses like VR that they don't want to invest in anymore, it might not be due to AI at all
lanthissa•44m ago
meta has laid off 34,800 people in just the large scale rounds we know about in the past 5 years.

they're growing at high teens % a year and have record profits and a centi-billionaire has complete control. whats going on there is gross, even compared to the finance world of yearly culling of the bottom few % its gross.

There are a few US companies that crossed beyond the carelessness of us work culture to flat out hostile and metas one of them.

Forgeties79•43m ago
Given facebook/Zuckerberg’s history it’s tough to give them the benefit of the doubt. From day one it’s been ruthless, harmful ambitions and business practices. It is a bad company that does bad things.

They also burn capital at insane rates on projects nobody wants then fire everybody involved (see: the metaverse, the very reason they rebranded to that dumb name)

121789•18m ago
I can pretty much agree with everything you said in the first line

but for the second, I guess I don't consider that terrible? they make risky bets, pay people tons and tons of money to try them, then if it doesn't work out they shut down the projects and let the people go? that feels like every startup except the employees actually get compensated. if that's driving the extra layoffs, it's hard to feel too bad for people who have probably been paid millions already

nh23423fefe•45m ago
When is it ok to lay people off?
gtowey•34m ago
Laying off 10% of your workforce at a company this size means someone high up has been making some pretty significant mistakes.

So the answer is, when an executive is held accountable for disrupting this many people's lives. When they claw back bonuses they have probably received for hitting or setting those previous hiring targets.

mirrorlogic•33m ago
BIG FAX
dist-epoch•42m ago
> It's an honest surprise that this isn't spun as "internal AI efficiency gains."

Meta is working on "personal AI that will empower you". Saying they are firing people because of AI would be a bad marketing move.

matchbok3•42m ago
Layoffs are a very normal thing for businesses to do.

There is nothing "cowardly" about it.

Would you rather them never hire them in the first place?

sdevonoes•38m ago
With that kind of mindset… man, so sorry for you
matchbok3•37m ago
Care to explain? Rather than these jugemental one-offs?
sdevonoes•27m ago
You are normalising layoffs in companies that are not losing money. If you are a regular employee, this kind of behaviour affects you, but hereyou are saying “it’s alright folks, it’s just business “. Sure thing these kind of layoffs are not illegal, but there must be something else in life than raw corporate behaviour when it comes to work, don’t you think?

The other scenario is that Meta doesn’t layoff people. The big fishes will make less money, but won’t affect their lives in the minimum. What about that? That’s not illegal either, but ofc, “that’s not how businesses work!”. So brainwashed. We are the frogs, they are boiling us and you don’t care

zimza•20m ago
Sadly a lot of people see profit as the only incentive.
matchbok3•17m ago
Layoffs mean a company doesn't have productive, profitable work for a set of people. The broader profitability of the entire company is entirely irrelevant. Should employee x subsidize employee y? That's nonsense.

Should a company keep someone on payroll and have them do nothing until profit reaches 0?

bellowsgulch•37m ago
That does tend to be the more experienced management decision among firms who survived through the dot-com bubble.
paganel•35m ago
I'd say that a 10% culling of their workforce when they should be going all in on is not "very normal".

I don't think that those 10% of their workforce were keeping them back, to the contrary, now a big part of the remaining 90% will start wondering (if they hadn't already done so) when they'll be next, that is instead of focusing their minds on this AI-race thing.

BoredPositron•32m ago
Reducing your workforce always means you either made a strategic mistake, your bottom line is hurting, your growth is stagnating or you hired McKinsey (lol) not a good sign for company health and always bad for morale.
matchbok3•16m ago
Literally not true. Some bets just don't work. If a company tries to enter some new market and fails, they may use a layoff.
shimman•12m ago
"Some bets didn't work so let's destroy lives and cause needless suicides. It wasn't my fault, I was only following orders." - Random Meta VP of Customer Misery.
BoredPositron•11m ago
Sounds like a strategic mistake.
operatingthetan•27m ago
Exiting low performers is one thing, but using layoffs as tool to put pressure on your workforce to extract more labor and keep them busy is a toxic culture.
smallmancontrov•17m ago
Toxic = green brokerage accounts for those in charge
lotsofpulp•9m ago
It would also be green for everyone else's brokerage account.
33MHz-i486•23m ago
its not “normal” when companies have 10s of Billion in net profit per quarter

Axing low/negative ROI product lines, sure. But recently these cuts have been across-the-board and in product lines that are net profitable and have strong technical product roadmaps. Moreover they are firing longer tenured (expensive) engineers

I understand they’re managing a transition to a capital intensive strategy but the whole era reeks of stock price focused financial engineering and these large companies flexing oligopoly power in the face of their customers and the labor that builds their technology.

lamasery•20m ago
> Layoffs are a very normal thing for businesses to do.

Didn't used to be, except in extreme circumstances. Was seen as a really bad sign.

To the extent there's "science" on this, it's a lot less clear than you might think that a policy of reaching eagerly for the layoff-button is long-term beneficial to companies, i.e. there's a good chance it's a cultural fad, you do it because "that's what's expected" and perhaps investors get skittish if you don't, for the circular reason that... that's what's expected.

abosley•17m ago
Agreed. What happens when every company lays off 10, 20, 40% of their staff? AI Agents don't pay taxes and dont participate in a meaningful amount of the consumer economy.
HoldOnAMinute•19m ago
Imagine a world where people could just be happy with returns on investments. Even treasury bills.

Can't we all just be happy?

ineedasername•13m ago
It isn't good optics at the moment, or good politics, for a company to loudly proclaim "we're firing people because of AI taking their jobs".

That doesn't mean that's what happened, it only means that whether or not its true, most companies aren't going to say it. The few that have said anything of the sort have suffered some backlash, and they aren't even as prominent as Meta or Microsoft (which also just announced plans to reduce by ~7% through buybacks, the first in their > 50 years) And this is on top of their decline to ~210,000 employees after 2025 firing of 15,000.

bsimpson•9m ago
Didn't Square do that a couple weeks ago?
heathrow83829•10m ago
Literally, what else can they possibly do that hasn't been done? there's just limited opportunity.
testing22321•6m ago
> They're ... laying off people, maximizing profits, and giving up. Cowards.

To play devil’s advocate, what they’re doing is not remotely cowardly, it is the entire point of their existence

They have a lever they can pull that will increase profits and the stock price. Why the hell else does a company like Meta even exist? It sure as hell isn’t to provide jobs to meat bags, and anyone that thinks it is needs a very quick lesson about the real world.

chis•52m ago
I'd guess AI has made the average SWE around twice as productive at this point. This is a sort of efficiency shock, where companies suddenly need to find twice as much productive work to do or start firing employees. FB probably had a bunch of slack to absorb this but ultimately it's just hard to find that much work all at once.

I predict that tech companies will hire back a lot of this lost headcount over time. Although AI will keep getting better, so there's more downward pressure coming. Facebook, Amazon, and Google have had flat headcount since 2022, and this layoff will reduce FB's size back to 2021 levels.

linkjuice4all•40m ago
I guess Meta still needs some people to run the core business (ads/social media rageslop) but your point about 2021 staffing levels would suggest they haven't been able to innovate or bring anything new to market in the past 5 years. Llama has certainly been impressive but doesn't really add more money to the pile or more eyeballs to the ad inventory.

It would be nice if someone with another big pile of money could put some of these ex-employees to work so us mid-level schlubs don't have to compete with former FOAMers (new initialism for the hyperscalers of layoffs) for 'regular' tech jobs, but it appears there are no new ideas or markets to capture.

chis•25m ago
I disagree. While their core products have stayed similar, they keep getting better at ads after Apple's privacy changes in 2021 hurt their efficiency. And Instagram has changed quite a bit, with reels growing to half of total IG usage. (Of course these are dystopian products but I'm just trying to be objective here).

To me a company at FB's scale is inevitably going to be optimizing around the margins. I mean you could argue any of Google, Amazon, FB, have had basically the same cash cows for 10+ years now.

jonnonz•48m ago
What happened to the metaverse ?I suspect maybe wasting all the resource wasn’t a good idea
jonatron•47m ago
I find the scale of some companies hard to understand, they're laying off multiples of the total number of employees of the largest company I've worked at.
teaearlgraycold•44m ago
Internally they operate like a government or military and less like a normal company.
booleandilemma•41m ago
As someone who has only worked for a company with maybe a thousand people, can you elaborate on this a bit?
teaearlgraycold•29m ago
I've never been in the military but I'm told they work this way. You often have interactions with people across the org chart (which is a massive tree with >100,000 nodes on it). If there's a dispute over resources or requirements that can't be resolved you need to find the lowest person that is above both of you to settle it. The depth of the org chart is a key similarity here as well. I think I was ~10 degrees from Sundar when I worked for Google. A soldier in the US military is a similar distance from the president. Also the financial numbers that are thrown around are larger than what most governments deal with and on par with even large nations. The US military might get a $100B influx for some war. Google/Amazon/Meta/etc. spend similarly on AI initiatives.
HoldOnAMinute•12m ago
Large-scale enterprises are really something to behold. Take one small example. A certain large company has cafeterias in many locations. Each of these cafeterias is like a small enterprise. And it has nothing to do with the core business itself. To order food, you need an app. Someone has to build, test, deploy, and maintain that app. It also has a back-end. Someone has to build and maintain those servers as well. There's also a payment component and everything that comes along with that.

The cafeteria itself is a large scale enterprise, wholly enclosed inside the larger scale enterprise.

janalsncm•42m ago
I remember in 2022 people still said things like “there hasn’t been a major tech layoff in 20 years”. Those days are a distant memory. This Meta layoff is lost in the noise of tons of other ones by this point.
gip•41m ago
I have been told by a startup founder that he wants his strongest player to replace and automate the weakest using AI!

That may be what Meta is already doing. I’m afraid we are going to see something like that at play in tech for the coming few years until we get to an equilibrium. Sad and it might work.

whatever1•39m ago
Let me guess. Year of efficiency?
HardCodedBias•39m ago
Everyone at Meta should know the score.

Meta pays top dollar. They also pay enormous sums for what management identifies as performance.

Conversely, Meta is ruthless about cutting those management identifies as low performers.

This is the deal going in. It’s not a crime.

swiftcoder•12m ago
> Conversely, Meta is ruthless about cutting those management identifies as low performers.

Thats what the normal Meta up-or-out promo/comp structure is for. This sort of thing hasn't been about that for a while. Sure, they will say they stack ranked the company and fired the bottom 10%, but given how many layoffs they've done, at this point it's just an ongoing brain drain.

(I departed when the writing was on the wall for the '21 layoffs)

cchrist•36m ago
This isn't surprising. This will happen at every tech company first, then every other company afterwards. All jobs will get automated, then all companies will be ran by one person: their owner.
dsign•33m ago
I wouldn't make much of it; the economy looks a bit iffy right now due to the surge in energy prices and difficulties sourcing inputs. This affects mainly industrial enterprises, shipping and transport but those are no small sectors and anything that affects them ripples through the rest of the global economy. Where I live (Northern Europe), not only are those sectors already sacking people, but the banks are rising interest rates well ahead of an expected wave of inflation. This affects both consumer and industrial loans, and it means that many economies are going to continue in contraction or that things may get worse.
rickcarlino•32m ago
Layoffs.fyi is not looking good right now.
LogicFailsMe•28m ago
"letting go of people who have made meaningful contributions to Meta during their time here..." is a sacrifice Mark Zuckerberg is willing to make.
dnsb•22m ago
I came across this article recently and watching it play it out is wild: https://readuncut.com/the-survivors-paradox-how-layoffs-turn...

whilst they get efficiencies and may improve margins, the long term damage of culture and having 'yes men' will damage their business far more than a few quarters of tighter growth and margins.

oxag3n•18m ago
Well, they could layoff 100% and world would be a better place to live.

It really sucks for software engineers though - first these companies made a hype out of "coding" and hacking to build those monstrosities, now they switched to squeezing the accordion to keep the music going. This is not the first time and I hope not the last one - just need new Yahoos of 20s to pop up.

rbanffy•11m ago
Every time something like this happens I think that at least one person made a very bad cash flow decision and now needs to cover a hole they dug out themselves.

Sadly, they are never the ones to be sacked.