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An Update on GitHub Availability

https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/an-update-on-github-availability/
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mijoharas•39m ago
> we started working on path to multi cloud.

Is this microsoft stating that they aren't able to get acceptable reliability from Azure? (I mean, I think a lot of us have heard that, but it's interesting to hear it from microsoft themselves).

derwiki•37m ago
It’s pretty damning. But as someone who has used Azure, I buy it.
jasoncartwright•36m ago
Seems pretty sensible to not rely on a single provider for their large complex system?
mijoharas•33m ago
I mean, amazon (shopping, along with prime video e.t.c.) runs on AWS.
jasoncartwright•31m ago
Prime video uses a non-AWS CDN when I watch football on it here in the UK
cyanydeez•30m ago
This isn't a mom and pop shop. They have locations all over the world: https://datacenters.microsoft.com/

There's no intrinsic reason they should be vulnerable to themselves.

jasoncartwright•23m ago
That website (for me) uses Cloudflare via WPEngine, which also isn't Azure
farfatched•5m ago
+1. Multi-cloud is typically done for vendor independence.

But Github don't have that rationale.

cbg0•35m ago
I think this is more tailored towards enterprise clients that lose money when Github is down, that would probably help with retention.
bombcar•5m ago
You’d think they could have had the existing GitHub on whatever continue as is (maybe for paying customers) while all the AI new inrush goes to the Azure setup.
pluc•39m ago
There are no words that Microsoft can use that would make me trust Microsoft.
baq•39m ago
openai, anthropic, google and a plethora of chinese models all end up pushing code into github. you can discuss whether gpt 5.5 is better than opus 4.7, but for github it doesn't matter: they'll be receiving the code no matter which llm spits it out.

amazing on one hand, quite scary on the other for github and all other forges if this continues and there is no reason why it wouldn't.

jcattle•37m ago
When there's a gold rush invest in checks notes jewellery makers?
huijzer•37m ago
I’m pretty sure my Forgejo instance on a Raspberry Pi is outperforming GitHub reliability. It’s faster that’s for sure.
darkwater•37m ago
Glad that they released some data about new repo/issues/commits over the last years. It confirms what everyone else already believed from the outside: agents are putting a lot of extra, sudden pressure on GitHub. It's like a startup that is growing exponentially, with the difference that they already have a large user base to serve - and that keeps them in the bullseye - and probably a not-so-fast-moving organization when it comes down to changes. On the other side of the coin, they also have a lot of talent, infra and money a startup might not have yet.
maccard•34m ago
What data is that? There's an unlabelled graph and a number at the current peak.
ncruces•28m ago
Some previous numbers: https://x.com/kdaigle/status/2040164759836778878
frangonf•36m ago
What are we doing?

Stop subsidizing tokens now that we extracted enough training data from you and we have enough agentic junkies business to keep the flywheel going up and cut on the loss leaders. [0]

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47923357

guidoiaquinti•36m ago
> While we were already in progress of migrating out of our smaller custom data centers into public cloud, we started working on path to multi cloud. This longer-term measure is necessary to achieve the level of resilience, low latency, and flexibility that will be needed in the future.

Wild

maccard•35m ago
It's kind of hard to read this with a straight face.

The unlabelled graph with big numbers on top, the priorities that don't match with what we're experiencing, and a list of things that they're doing without a real acknowledgement of the _dire_ uptime over the last 12 months....

ramon156•28m ago
"We hear you" in ~300 words, basically.
ncruces•25m ago
More numbers: https://x.com/kdaigle/status/2040164759836778878

What's the question here, you don't believe growth is currently exponential, or do you think it shouldn't be hard to scale, when 10x YoY is not enough?

OtherShrezzing•13m ago
As a business user, our costs have gone up while service has gone down dramatically. Meanwhile our marginal cost to GitHub has hardly changed. Where our costs to them have increased, they mostly charge us per cpu minute, so obviously aren’t making any kind of loss on our account.

I’m sure they’re experiencing scaling issues across the platform, but it’s unacceptable for that to have a negative impact on us when we're sending them $250/dev/yr for (what is in all honesty) hosting a bunch of static text files.

rdevilla•2m ago
> we're sending them $250/dev/yr for (what is in all honesty) hosting a bunch of static text files.

You know, you can just host your own code forge. Or you can just drop gitolite on a server. Or pull directly from each others' dev machines on a LAN.

GitHub is not git.

ferguess_k•17m ago
You can do the same with so many clients.
georgyo•16m ago
These are not the worst graphs in the world... Sure the bottom left axis is not labeled, but it still conveys the point correctly. The growth between 2023->2024->2025->2026 is growing quickly. And that in the end/beginning of 2026 they say more growth than the three years before, combined!

You don't need to know the bottom left axis number. We do have to assume the graph is linear, and not some kind of negative exponent log graph. But given the rest of the content, I think that is safe to assume.

Any company that experiences significantly more growth than they were planning for will have capacity issues.

The priorities are most inline with that. The are way beyond the point that they can just add more hardware. They need to make the backend more efficient, and all the stated goals are about helping there.

nraynaud•35m ago
So I gather that nobody is working on a search that stays on the current branch?
fontain•32m ago
Personally, I’m sympathetic. We know that GitHub did a huge amount of work over the last decade to make Git scale, which has benefited us all. These new scaling challenges are real challenges, 30x growth would be a nightmare for any system that was already pushing the limits of what was possible, I think we are being far too hard on GitHub, they deserve a little grace.
someone_eu•17m ago
GitHub's scaling issues are caused by their own vendor-lock approach and monopoly. Yes, of course _their_ goal is to be even bigger and even more all-consuming, so _they_ have to deal with the scale. Why a user would be sympathetic to that?

The user (and not a big tech monopoly) answer to scaling issues is almost always to stop scaling and start federating and interoperating.

icy•31m ago
I'm biased (founder of tangled.org), but the future really should be federated forges. Host repositories on sovereign infra with global identity + federated "metadata" (issues, pulls, etc.).

Global indices for this should be trivial to spin up so availability is never a concern (we're working towards this!).

ramon156•27m ago
Love the idea, would replace the LLM generated content ony our site, though.

I recently migrated to codeberg because I'm okay with self-hosting big runners, while using codeberg's available runners for smaller cron-based things (they even have lazy runners for this).

icy•4m ago
It’s… all hand written? We just sound “professional”.
ArcHound•25m ago
But, there are? I can host a repo on GitHub, Codeberg and self host it too. Then I need to watch over main to keep it consistent between those. After that's established, I can do updates from wherever. Link'em in the README.
nibbleyou•16m ago
There's also a tool to automatically push it to multiple repos: https://github.com/prashantsengar/GitEcho

Disclaimer: the author is a colleague of mine

Though to be fair, what the parent meant by federated forges is different than this approach.

embedding-shape•7m ago
There are distributed forges? Yes, git is distributed, but often everything around it isn't. The case parent is trying to make, is that the rest ("federated forges") should also be distributed, not just git.
beernet•24m ago
What is "sovereign infra" exactly?
tfrancisl•20m ago
No less than self hosted, imo. If youre on some cloud it doesnt really matter that you pay them absurd amounts of money, you arent sovereign.
embedding-shape•6m ago
So literally a computer at home/in the office, as with anything else you don't really "own" the infrastructure? Or is this just about "cloud"?
mathgeek•7m ago
I know it's just marketing speak, but the term made me think of the scenes in the Matrix where what's left of humanity (ignoring all the cyclical lore that was added on top of it) has to make sure the machines can't remote in to any of their tech.
jftuga•27m ago
Some interesting tid bits:

* we had to resolve a variety of bottlenecks that appeared faster than expected from moving webhooks to a different backend (out of MySQL)

* * redesigning user session cache to redoing authentication and authorization flows to substantially reduce database load.

* we accelerated parts of migrating performance or scale sensitive code out of Ruby monolith into Go.

I'd like to know what database backend they migrated to. I was also surprised to read that the migration from Ruby to a more performant language had not already been completed. I assume this is because it a large code base with many moving parts, etc.

mohsen1•21m ago
Another interesting bit: they are hitting performance issues due to the rise of monorepos. GitHub and frankly Git were not designed for monorepos
rootnod3•25m ago
> Our priorities are clear: availability first

That's a delayed April fool's right?

embedding-shape•23m ago
Hah, love that now they say "Our priorities are clear: availability first, then capacity, then new features" when 6 months ago, it was seemingly exactly the same except Azure supposedly was gonna save them:

> GitHub Will Prioritize Migrating to Azure Over Feature Development - GitHub is working on migrating all of its infrastructure to Azure, even though this means it'll have to delay some feature development.

> In a message to GitHub’s staff, CTO Vladimir Fedorov notes that GitHub is constrained on capacity in its Virginia data center. “It’s existential for us to keep up with the demands of AI and Copilot, which are changing how people use GitHub,” he writes.

https://thenewstack.io/github-will-prioritize-migrating-to-a...

So the currently delayed feature development is now gonna be further delayed, yet almost every week we see new features and changes, just the other day the single issues view was changed, as just one example. And it was "existential" 6 months ago yet they keep stumbling on the exact same issue today?

Even if they're focused exclusively on reliability and uptime, we get the experience that we have today, kind of incredible how a company with the resources of Microsoft seemingly are unable to stop continuously shot themselves in the foot. It's kind of impressive actually. As icing on the cake, they've decided to buy up all popular developer services then migrate them all to the same platform, great idea too.

cedws•13m ago
I wonder if they’ll end the free lunch we’ve been having since the MS takeover. There’s been a deluge of spam and crapware projects due to the LLM wave which is visible in that graph. Can’t see them sustaining being a public dustbin for low value projects forever.
sbarre•5m ago
I could see them expiring/archiving/deleting inactive projects after some time.

I feel like this would have negative impacts (lots of interesting historical archives on Github) but maybe if a project hasn't been touched, or cloned, in some time, it just gets deleted with some notice.

s_ting765•12m ago
> Vladimir Fedorov is GitHub's Chief Technology Officer .... He currently serves on the board of Codepath.org, an organization dedicated to reprogramming higher education to create the first AI-native generation of engineers, CTOs, and founders.

I think I found the issue.

latexr•11m ago
> The main driver is a rapid change in how software is being built. Since the second half of December 2025, agentic development workflows have accelerated sharply.

In other words, they’ve been forcing LLM development down everyone’s throats and were unprepared for the consequences.

mathgeek•10m ago
While they contributed, they were still following the market trend anyway. If they weren't letting folks use it directly, other companies would have (and are).
latexr•7m ago
> they were still following the market trend anyway.

They started the trend with Copilot.

> If they weren't letting folks use it directly

There is a chasm of difference between “letting you use it” and “forcing it down your throat”. Microsoft is doing the latter, not the former. Copilot is annoyingly present by default at every step on GitHub.

steve1977•6m ago
I know that I'm simplifying (probably too much), but it seems like things were fine when GitHub was still a Ruby on Rails monolith and all the rigmarole with microservices etc. only made things worse.
tankenmate•2m ago
This sounds more like a belief, based on little more than "correlation is causation", than analysis that controls for macro-trends backed by evidence.
sikozu•2m ago
This latest incident was the nail in the coffin for me. I've been on GitHub since 2012 but I'm feeling the pull to migrate out to Gitea/Forgejo. Has anybody done this recently? How'd it go?
bananapub•2m ago
anyone who's actually worked there, could you explain why they're finding scalability and reliability so hard? naively it seems like 'repo groups', ie clusters of repositories linked by being mutual forks, would be fairly isolated for the whole git storage layer, and everything else feels pretty easily parallelisable (issues, actions, etc, modulo taking locks now and then to submit results or whatever). and given that, surely you can incrementally deploy changes across those many shards to avoid most big outages?

are there big conceptual serialisations that I've missed? is it just not well factored? was the move to Azure just a catastrophically bad idea? some other thing?

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