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Your Website Is Not for You

https://websmith.studio/blog/your-website-is-not-for-you/
52•pumbaa•1h ago

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adampunk•54m ago
Counterpoint: yes it is.
0123456789ABCDE•48m ago
perhaps, before the thread derails into a bunch of comments like the parent, we should consider that the article is not a comment on what your side-projects look like, those obviously should look however you please. rather the comment is directed at folks who want both great UX, and for their taste to reflected on the website, and quite frankly: some of you have absolutely no sense of what usability affordances require, not to mention _taste_.
adampunk•7m ago
Counterpoint: that's also wrong and those who give up the idea of their website being for "them" (a person or group) end up making websites that are bad. Jakob's law is often taken as support for the opposite position, but if Google looked like search engines circa 1998, no one would have switched.
rustyhancock•39m ago
Time for my favourite old man yells at cloud opinion.

The internet was a far better place when websites were created by individuals mainly for themselves. And probably hosted for free on Geocities.

arlobish•50m ago
I get why a design studio would think this way, but in many cases it is for me.
juddlyon•49m ago
Beware of the HIPPO! (Highest Paid Person’s Opinion)
hyperhello•49m ago
This writing was effective, clear, to the point, and revealed a human perspective. I can sense the frustrated professional going behind the curtain and tidying up his reservations about dealing with his clients.

It was refreshing to read in exactly the way AI slop isn’t.

big85•49m ago
Perhaps better stated: Your company's website isn't for you, it's to pursue the agenda of your company. Your personal homepage is for you, if you can free yourself from view count as a success metric.
embedding-shape•48m ago
> The website isn't for the founder, the marketing manager, or the board.

It should though, if people only got involved in stuff they're directly using themselves, all software would end up so much better.

The best software out there seems to be when people who feel responsible over something, also uses that same thing themselves and they earn a comfortable living by doing so. If we could find a way of increasing the amount of software produced in this way, we could maybe avoid falling over spaghetti in some decades, otherwise we'll just live with 50% broken software which seems to be the current direction.

Edit: I probably should have read the landing page first, which says:

> Partner for designers - Websmith Studio builds future-ready websites in collaboration with world-class designers.

They're clearly building client websites for others, then yeah, what they say is true, you're not building for yourself :)

brynet•38m ago
oh, okay then.. you can have it

https://brynet.ca/

doublerabbit•31m ago
How dare you run a website without sort of React framework.
brynet•25m ago
sorry
jdw64•37m ago
A website is a compromise between three parties.

User: I want to get the information I came for.

Business: I want to build brand trust and drive conversion.

Internal organization: I want the owner’s taste and preferences to be reflected.

The article strongly says that a website is for the user. I agree with the spirit of that argument, but in practice, most users’ “taste” is shaped by brand reputation.

And where does brand reputation come from? Often, it comes from the owner’s taste, positioning, and accumulated decisions.

A SaaS landing page is not only a place where users get information. From the company’s perspective, it is also a tool for imprinting the company’s positioning in the user’s mind.

I think this phenomenon is essentially a principal-agent problem.

In real client work, most clients are not thinking about UX. They are thinking about the owner’s experience — OX, so to speak. And in practice, most companies operate based on OX.

In the ideal story, everyone says they care about UX. But most businesses do not actually run on UX. They run on OX.

The key question is whether the owner’s taste happens to align with the public’s taste.

jdw64•28m ago
Why do people pay so much money for reports from dubious firms like Gartner?

The game they are playing is almost like a coin toss. If you look at the Gartner reports that become publicly visible, they are often wrong.

So why do reports from companies like Gartner still sell?

Because they reduce the anxiety of the owner or decision-maker.

Business is complex. Even a bad product can succeed because of advertising. Exaggerated marketing, fraud, timing, distribution, and luck all exist, and they can all produce success. UX is an ideal. But in practice, developers often have to satisfy OX: owner experience.

Companies appear to pursue profit because most owners like money. But in reality, many companies are closer to the realization of the owner’s ideology, taste, and worldview.

So what matters?

For a developer, it becomes important to judge how closely the owner’s taste aligns with the public, and with the target audience. That is why developers often end up flattering the owner: not merely because of hierarchy, but because the owner’s taste is frequently the actual operating system of the business.

susam•37m ago
When I first read the title, my reaction was: how dare they say my website isn't for me? Of course it is. It's my space to share thoughts, jot down notes from things I come across, publish small tools, and so on. That made me click through and see how the article could possibly argue otherwise.

Then I realised that the article talks about business websites, not personal websites. Quoting from the article:

> The website isn't for the founder, the marketing manager, or the board. It's for the person you've never met - the customer weighing up a purchase, the lead chasing a phone number, the visitor sizing up your credibility or the member signing up to access gated content.

Yes, I agree. While not really a business, I've always liked https://nhs.uk/ for its simplicity. I especially like the A-Z section where we can find details about a large number of medical conditions. Among actual businesses (small ones particularly) I like https://buttondown.com/ and https://kagi.com/ quite a bit.

That said (and this is off-topic for this article), the part of the web I enjoy most is where your website is indeed for you, the small web of personal websites. That part of the web was an important part of me growing up from my late teens into adulthood and it remains the part I enjoy most even now. I want this part of the web to remain healthy and vibrant for as long as possible.

BoredPositron•36m ago
Your commercial website is not for you. Would be a better title.
forgotusername6•35m ago
This applies to pretty much every situation. It is not just about visual things, it is more about things that are easy to have an opinion on. Its similar concept to bike shedding, but with the added emphasis of the decision maker. Though the very fact we even call them that kind of implies that they should have a say right? I guess we object to the kind of say that they have. Should a decision maker just make binary decisions? Yes to this, no to that.
aleda145•35m ago
I have felt this a lot when designing the landing page for my SQL canvas side project. _I_ really want to write about DuckDB WASM, pre-signed URLs and how cool Cloudflare's durable objects are.

But my target audience are data analysts, and they just want to analyze some data!

I have gone through a lot of design revisions because I have a hard time containing my technical excitement. I was surprised how hard communicating a product clearly is.

As a backend/data person I was on the high horse thinking that designers jobs are so much easier than distributed systems. Now I feel the opposite!

p2hari•23m ago
Maybe that's why I am not in your target audience, but love how the design looks. I have bookmarked it also. You show so many features and it is nice in the way it is being presented and is also mobile friendly. Also I too am a fan of neobrutalism. :)
aleda145•10m ago
Thank you! :-)
coder97•33m ago
"Can I get the icon in cornflower blue."
maxehmookau•31m ago
This is a distillation of what we used to (still do?) teach junior SWEs.

"You are not the customer for the thing we're making, nor have you ever been. You don't know what they want/need."

FlamingMoe•20m ago
“A website isn't art. It's a tool with one job: get the user to do the thing they came for.”

Eh, I don’t think this is accurate. A website does serve utility, but if you remove art from the discussion, then it becomes soulless, which is not the world we want to live in.

Take HN for example. The first time I visited, I thought it was a terrible, dated design. But over time I grew to appreciate it. I think it is, in fact, quite artistic; it has a style, it makes a statement.

If HN were “modern and user-first” maybe users would have an initial better impression, maybe they would even “convert” better initially. But long-term, it would start to lose its soul.

dmje•17m ago
This is a job for people like me: product / project managers who work on a project to translate business (and audience!) needs into specifics around design and build. It's a skill all of its own, and it requires time and effort and expertise - it won't just emerge naturally, it won't happen without time thinking about strategy, audience, metrics, goals.

We spend a whole bunch of time when we're running projects pushing back and telling clients to "think less like you and more like your audience". It's not surprising to me that clients come with pre-set notions: of course they do, it's their business, they're in it all day every day, and they're thinking about it all the time. This doesn't make them good at thinking about this stuff from alternative / audience angles!

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