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City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

https://www.404media.co/city-learns-flock-accessed-cameras-in-childrens-gymnastics-room-as-a-sales-pitch-demo-renews-contract-anyway/
88•joshcsimmons•1h ago

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Bender•1h ago
One of the previous discussions [1]

[1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47784045

aleksiy123•48m ago
While I think this isn’t great.

Why is the camera there in the first place??

Presumably there are people that have access to it. And if you are demoing software that connects to cameras, then someone gave the sales guy access to those cameras.

I’m also assuming those probably weren’t the only cameras…

KaiserPro•12m ago
> Why is the camera there in the first place??

I imagine its for security. Ie if there are reports of robbery, you can find who did it. I know its not that popular in the states but its common elsewhere, but with better controls. (well, "better" as in controlled by shitty IoT devices)

I think the thing with flock is just how poorly put together everything is. They are obviously insecure, and the entire network has massive holes in it. Yet its still being rolled out.

rcoder•12m ago
In many cases the people deploying these cameras have no idea the feeds are being resold to Flock. It’s not like they have a consumer brand and people are saying, “oh yeah, Flock, they’re the license plate camera folks…I definitely want one of those in my locker room.”
momentmaker•37m ago
There is also another movement to stop Flock. And a discussion [1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47772012

nout•19m ago
So there are people sitting in cubicles in various companies/orgs that flock sells the access to and they are watching your children on a screen.

Usually the government is trying to wrap the spying/privacy breaches by "save the children", but this time if you want to save your children from some older dude watching them on a screen, you actually have to be against this privacy nightmare.

californical•13m ago
The crazy thing is that this isn’t even a hypothetical. Some random dude was watching your kids from an office building with spy cameras
john_strinlai•17m ago
>“The city of Dunwoody is one city in our demo partner program,” a Flock spokesperson told 404 Media. “The cities involved in this program have authorized select Flock employees to demonstrate new products and features as we develop them in partnership with the city.

the two things i still dont understand are:

1) why is there not a dedicated demo environment for demos, like practically every other software? i cant think of any reason why they need live data for a demonstration. (this might be addressed in the article, but the paragraph where it looks like it might be mentioned is also where the article is cut off)

2) is the Marcus Jewish Community Center of Atlanta (MCJCCA) city-owned? if not, the city should not be able to give permission to use the cameras. if so, was the MJCCA notified that the cameras would be used for demo purposes? were the parents notified?

driverdan•5m ago
Meanwhile YC President Garry Tan continues to support and defend Flock. I'm curious how he'd spin this as a good thing.
pesus•3m ago
It's it anything like the comments I see on here defending Flock, it'll just be a bunch of attempting to scare people with the idea of crime, and disparaging anyone in favor of privacy as being pro-crime.

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