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'Millions' of pounds saved by replacing Palantir tech in refugee system

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2l2j1lxdk5o
64•cdrnsf•1h ago

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simonsarris•46m ago
There's not really enough info to know if this is just a coin toss or something more. "Company tries to roll its own system and [saves / loses] money" is just a common story, one way or the other.

For context, the Homes for Ukraine refugee scheme cost 2-3 billion as of 2023. I can't seem to find an updated cost. This cost (from the article) was Palantir working for free for the first 6 months (could they have beat that, time wise?), then awarded 4.5m and 5.5m for two more 12 month terms, and now they're transitioning to something home-grown instead.

> The MHCLG [ Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government] said it initially needed a system which could be ready within days but, in seeking a "steadier service", later created an updated platform to meet the programme's longer-term needs and bring down costs.

I basically agree with the MHCLG's reasoning here. It's always worth at least experimenting to see if you can roll your own.

stuaxo•41m ago
GDS has a framework that UK Gov departments have been following for some time to build sites with similar challenges to this for some time.
kloop•8m ago
> There's not really enough info to know if this is just a coin toss or something more.

The difference is always having one or two devs who care. Every successful software project I've ever seen has had a few devs who care way more than is healthy

stuaxo•42m ago
"In a 2023 blog post, external, Palantir described the challenge of combining data from multiple government systems containing tens of thousands of visa applications and hundreds of thousands of accommodation offers."

This is the kind of thing GDS and other Civil Service departments build all the time, its a completely standard kind of challenge that a small team of Devs (+ supporting staff) from a departments DDAT department does day in and day out.

The output will be open source by default and use existing standards.

vkou•18m ago
Hundreds of thousands of documents is small enough that you can feasibly run a pen and paper office handling them. Especially since most of them do not cross-reference eachother (family applications do, but unrelated families have no such links).

That America's brightest tech minds can't solve this problem is embarrassing. (Never mind the baggage of giving a foreign, potentially adversarial nation access to something as sensitive as residency and visa information.)

jimbokun•13m ago
This article is about the UK.
vkou•11m ago
I'm well aware.

Note that Palantir is an American company that failed to solve this problem well, and introduces an adversarial risk to the UK.

MikeTheGreat•9m ago
I assumed that when the GP said the UK was "giving a foreign, potentially adversarial nation access" the GP meant that the US is that "foreign, potentially adversarial nation"

I can't believe that in our timeline Europe has to think like this, but here we are.

PunchyHamster•16m ago
Could probably be moderately complex excel sheet. Well, hopefully not but keeping that one guy that know how it works is still cheaper than Palantir!
sleepyguy•40m ago
http://archive.today/xgkiS
angulardragon03•19m ago
The MHCLG blog post that this article is reporting on is available here: https://mhclgdigital.blog.gov.uk/2026/04/09/from-emergency-t...
spiderfarmer•18m ago
Palantir needs to be banned in every EU country. The UK would be wise to do the same.

I would never trust an openly MAGA company.

Centigonal•17m ago
Palantir is very expensive. This is because:

1. they aim to deliver product company margins with a consulting-heavy model.

2. your software purchase funds a cadre of "free" FDEs and deployment strategists who customize your install, build a bunch of data pipes/transforms, and talk to people to figure out what all the data means.

This could be a good deal if your tech org is not very competent at integrating your data, or if you have a sudden, short-term need. In the longer term, it's probably cheaper and more effective to develop a competent tech team, modernize the source data systems, and roll your own integration -- but that also requires leaders with long-term vision who are resistant to external hype and pressure.

scoot•16m ago
Millions of pounds wasted by using Palantir tech in refugee system

(FTFY)

jimbokun•11m ago
I would imagine with AI generated software this kind of replacing off the shelf software with internally created software will only increase.
beejiu•4m ago
1% of the UK population works for the civil service, but none of those people can collate a spreadsheet or issue bank payments. They can make decisions, but almost every action needs to be tendered out to the private sector.

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