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An OpenAI model has disproved a central conjecture in discrete geometry

https://openai.com/index/model-disproves-discrete-geometry-conjecture/
121•tedsanders•49m ago

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aurareturn•30m ago
One thing seems for certain is that OpenAI models hold a distinct lead in academics over Anthropic and Google models.

For those in academics, is OpenAI the vendor of choice?

FloorEgg•22m ago
Gemini seems better trained for learning and I think Google has made a more deliberate effort to optimize for pedagoical best practices. (E.g. tutoring, formative feedback, cognitive load optimization)

As far as academic research is concerned (e.g. this threads topic), I can't say.

aurareturn•21m ago
Yes, I meant academic research.
cute_boi•10m ago
Gemini is like someone with short-term memory loss; after the first response, it forgets everything. That being said, I have checked multiple model and gemini can sometime give accurate answer.
causal•19m ago
A simpler explanation is that more people are using ChatGPT
karmasimida•13m ago
I think the mathematicians on X are all using GPT 5.5 Pro
bayindirh•12m ago
From my limited testing, Gemini can dig out hard to find information given you detail your prompt enough.

Given that Google is the "web indexing company", finding hard to find things is natural for their models, and this is the only way I need these models for.

If I can't find it for a week digging the internet, I give it a colossal prompt, and it digs out what I'm looking for.

Jcampuzano2•9m ago
OpenAI specifically targeted Academia a lot and gave out a lot of free/unlimited usage to top academics and universities/researchers.

They also offer grants you can apply for as a researcher. I'm sure other labs may have this too but I believe OpenAI was first to this.

tracerbulletx•8m ago
Hasn't AlphaFold been used to make real discoveries for a few years now?
empath75•29m ago
Important note: this was not done with a special mathematics harness or specialized workflow.
Jeff_Brown•26m ago
Can anyone find (or draw) a picture of the construction?
pradn•21m ago
They have a "before" picture but not an "after"!
alansaber•26m ago
AI isn't going to supercharge science but I wouldn't be as dismissive as other posters here.
OldGreenYodaGPT•24m ago
Isn’t that a joke? It already has supercharged science
datsci_est_2015•16m ago
Where are the second order effects of this supercharging of science? Or has it not been enough time for those to propagate?
vatsachak•22m ago
I absolutely believe that AI will supercharge science.

I do not believe it will replace humans.

renegade-otter•15m ago
It will notice things that humans may have missed. That said - it can only work off the body of work SOMEONE did in the past.
throw-the-towel•8m ago
> it can only work off the body of work SOMEONE did in the past.

And so do humans. Gotta stand on these shoulders of giants.

bel8•5m ago
Can't the previous body of work might be AI?
karmasimida•11m ago
To be strict, Math is not Science.

But AI is supercharging Math like there is no tomorrow.

comboy•9m ago
Not only it supercharged science it supercharges scientist. Research on any narrow topic is a different world now. Agents can read 50 papers for you and tell you what's where. This was impossible with pure text search. Looking up non-trivial stuff and having complex things explained to you is also amazing. I mean they don't even have to be complex, but can be for adjacent field where these are basics for the other field but happen to be useful in yours. The list goes on. It's a hammer you need to watch your fingers, it's not good at cutting wood, but it's definitely worth having.
vatsachak•23m ago
As I have stated before, AI will win a fields medal before it can manage a McDonald's

A difficult part was constructing a chess board on which to play math (Lean). Now it's just pattern recognition and computation.

LLMs are just the beginning, we'll see more specialized math AI resembling StockFish soon.

soupspaces•13m ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1l0z5yk/the_mo...
Lerc•6m ago
I disagree. It will be able to perform work deserving if a fields medal before it is capable of running a McDonalds. I think it will be running a McDonalds well before either of those things happen, and a fields medal long after both have happened.
sigmoid10•5m ago
Managing a McDonalds is a question of integration and modalities at this point. I don't think anyone still doubts that these models lack the reasoning capability or world knowledge needed for the job. So it's less of a fundamental technical problem and more of a process engineering issue.
yusufozkan•22m ago
"The proof came from a general-purpose reasoning model, not a system built specifically to solve math problems or this problem in particular, and represents an important milestone for the math and AI communities."
Kwantuum•14m ago
I trust openAI's marketing team 100%
endymi0n•20m ago
To paraphrase Gwynne Shotwell: “Not too bad for just a large Markov chain, eh?”
phkahler•19m ago
I would have thought a triangular grid works better than a grid of squares. You get ~3n links vs ~2n for the square grid. Curious what the AI came up with.
comboy•17m ago
Yes, not providing visualization of the solution seems criminal.
dadrian•18m ago
While the result is impressive, this blog post is extremely disappointing.

- It does not show an example of the new best solution, nor explain why they couldn't show an example (e.g. if the proof was not constructive)

- It does not even explain the previous best solution. The diagram of the rescaled unit grid doesn't indicate what the "points" are beyond the normal non-scaled unit grid. I have no idea what to take away from it.

- It's description of the new proof just cites some terms of art with no effort made to actually explain the result.

If this post were not on the OpenAI blog, I would assume it was slop. I understand advanced pure mathematics is complicated, but it is entirely possible to explain complicated topics to non-experts.

solomatov•18m ago
How central is it in the discrete geometry? Could anyone with the knowledge in the field reply?
energy123•16m ago
There's pages of comments from like 8 mathematicians in the attached pdf
reactordev•17m ago
I dunno, I'm skeptical without proof. I've had the MAX+ plan for a while and I'm sorry, the quality between GPT vs Claude is night and day difference. Claude understands. GPT stumbles over every request I give it.
0x5FC3•13m ago
Is there a reason why we only hear of Erdos problems being solved? I would imagine there are a myriad of other unsolved problems in math, but every single ChatGPT "breakthrough in math" I come across on r/singularity and r/accelerate are Erdos problems.
tonfa•11m ago
Afaik this is because there is a community and database around them.
0x5FC3•7m ago
Interesting. OpenAI could also be trying to solve other problems, but Erdos problems maybe falling first?
throw-the-towel•5m ago
They're just famous because Erdos was a great mathematician, kinda like the Hilbert problems a century earlier.
bradleykingz•11m ago
ok. so what are the implications of for math
Fraterkes•10m ago
I guess if this stuff is going to make my employment more precarious, it’d be nice if it also makes some scientific breakthroughs. We’ll see
ausbah•6m ago
shame we won’t see any of these medical breakthroughs when we all lose our jobs and thus our healthcare
zozbot234•10m ago
The summarized chain of thought for this task (linked in the blogpost) is 125 pages. That's an insane scale of reasoning, quite akin to what Anthropic has been teasing with Mythos.
m-hodges•10m ago
To the “LLMs just interpolate their training data” crowd:

Ayer, and in a different way early Wittgenstein, held that mathematical truths don’t report new facts about the world. Proofs unfold what is already implicit in axioms, definitions, symbols, and rules.

I think that idea is deeply fascinating, AND have no problem that we still credit mathematicians with discoveries.

So either “recombining existing material” isn’t disqualifying, or a lot of Fields Medals need to be returned.

taimurshasan•5m ago
I wonder how much this cost vs a Math Professor or a team of Math Professors.

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