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California moves to exempt Linux from its age-verification law after backlash

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/california-moves-to-exempt-linux-from-its-upcoming-age-verification-law-after-backlash-over-forcing-operating-systems-to-collect-users-ages-amendment-proposed-by-the-same-lawmaker-who-wrote-the-original-law
90•rbanffy•51m ago

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kgwxd•50m ago
No, not exemptions! Drop the stupid-ass law all together.
trollbridge•43m ago
Kind of interesting - basically exempts any OS that’s under an MIT or GPL licence…

… doesn’t that excuse Android and possibly XNU, too?

antiframe•33m ago
Is all the code running on my Google Pixel 10 licensed under GPL and/or MIT?

I think we have our answer.

user_7832•11m ago
I think there's a lot of proprietary stuff, from Google Play Services to Pixel specific features. A very significant stack of "modern" software layers are proprietary, even on Android.
Bender•45m ago
The only device mandates that should be taking place is for the default installations of web clients should be checking to see if parental controls are enabled. This only impacts the major browsers. An intern at each browser company could add this check in minutes. If they are enabled and the person logged in is on a regular account (not admin or power user of sorts) then the base installation of web clients must check for an RTA header [1]. If present, prompt for a override password and also give the option for the admin to approve-list the domain at that time. That's it. Not perfect, nothing is or will be.

The only thing server, platform, website, service providers should be doing is setting an RTA header if the content could possibly be adult or user-contributed content that could dynamically become adult, moderation aside. This knocks out two issues with one fix. Small children don't see much if any adult content and they are kept off social media until the admin (parent or legal guardian) approves it.

If a site is not adding the RTA header then progressively fine them into oblivion. If they accept the fines as the cost of doing business then seize everything and put everyone in GenPop. An intern could enable the header in 5 minutes.

All legislation regarding age verification must revolve around this otherwise people must reject it as an abusive form of tracking and privacy invasion.

[1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47950091

jahnu•34m ago
Has this idea been discussed when drafting legislation? I mean are they aware of it but dismissed it for any reason or no stated reasons?
Bender•32m ago
I've emailed politicians as have others but only received boilerplate thankyou's. I know the real reason is kick-backs but they will never admit it.
SilverElfin•12m ago
Yep, they get funding from companies like meta and their insiders
wizardforhire•31m ago
Thats crazy talk, how are we gonna build a database of computers tied to physical identification of users by which we can monitor, control, and monetize… you’re saying parents should be responsible for their children? How is the state going to be able to exert more control if it doesn’t have ubiquitous surveillance of it’s population!? /s
themafia•29m ago
> An intern at each browser company could add this check in minutes.

An intern could also just delete the product which would also "solve" this "issue". The fact that it's easy or cheap is not significant to the problem at hand.

> should be doing is setting an RTA header

Many sites will just set the header by default. Now you've created a problem.

> then progressively fine them into oblivion.

This does nothing. See: Ofcom vs 4chan.

> device mandates

Mandate that the device provide an API for child protection software. Then it's up to individual parents to decide to install that software or not. Then we also get competition in this market rather than relying on whatever solution an intern cooked up one day.

Bender•27m ago
On the topic of 4chan [1]

Many sites will just set the header by default. Now you've created a problem.

I am not seeing a problem. Kids need not access those sites unless the parent or legal guardian approves it. Sites meant for children would not be adding the header.

[1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47953096

themafia•5m ago
> Sites meant for children would not be adding the header.

Is Wikipedia "meant for children?" Should they be fully denied access to it? Should Wikimedia be fined if they make a mistake? If they get fined often enough do you think they'll just turn the header on everywhere in order to avoid risk?

Replace Wikipedia with any other mixed content site you prefer.

pessimizer•26m ago
I must be stupid. Reword this so it makes sense to me. I can't even parse it.
Bender•24m ago
- Site adds a header if they might have adult content.

- Browser detects header. Prompts for local password to access site.

- Child does not know password, picks a different site or begs parent for access.

- This is now between child and parent. No third parties, no tracking, no telling website the users age, no local or remote API's sharing data.

pessimizer•28m ago
Absolutely trivial and totally comprehensive solution, enabling adult content blocking at the account level, device level, network level, and the ISP level. Could even be expanded to any sort of content blocking, if you want to allow households to restrict access to vaccine critique or criticism of the king without violating the First Amendment or rooting everyone's devices.

The problem is that the point is to root everyone's devices. Anyone explaining how easy this is would be pushed out of the conversation as fast as if they were advocating for single-payer healthcare.

edit: I've been advocating the nearly identical but opposite solution - restricted access sites shouldn't respond to requests that lack an appropriate age/content restriction header. If they do, jail them.

They're literally going to have to do this anyway. Rooting people's devices to force them to lie about their age when they install their operating system is an absolutely fake pretendy solution; the only way it works is if you have to verify your age with some government agency when you install an operating system, in order to make that OS age official. The point is the identification.

skybrian•26m ago
I largely agree, but the RTA header doesn't seem to be good enough for most websites to use. When a website wants to block browsers with parental controls on, but it isn't porn and it shouldn't be blocked by SafeSearch, what do they do?

https://webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/140733/how-to...

Bender•23m ago
what do they do?

They stop trying to put everything in a different category and treat RTA as the person under the age of consent must get approval from their parent or legal guardian. Keep it simple.

skybrian•10m ago
That's too simple to get much adoption. It's unreasonable to expect websites to drop out of Google search.
softwaredoug•42m ago
All this because public institutions have lost the will or capacity to regulate the companies. So they switch to burdening the consumers.
dnnddidiej•39m ago
Sounds like any GPL and perhaps other licences. Not just Linux.
jmclnx•37m ago
Hopefully the add the BSDs too.
pessimizer•24m ago
> The proposed amendment specifically states: “Operating system provider” does not mean a person or entity that distributes an operating system or application under license terms that permit a recipient to copy, redistribute, and modify the software.
cortesoft•36m ago
As a dad of two younger kids (7 and 10), I have been incredibly frustrated with the way age restrictions are handled across various services.

Really, my main complaint comes down to: I completely disagree with what these services choose to restrict for kids and what they allow.

They block my kids from doing things I have no problem with them doing and they allow things I would never want my kids to do in 1000 years. It is incredibly frustrating.

Often times, there is literally no way for me to bypass some stupid restriction they put on my kids, so the only way I can get it to work is to help my kids lie about their age… and at that point, I lose the ability to actually block things I care about.

These laws are just going to make it worse. I don’t want someone else choosing how I control what my kids do. Give me tools to control it myself, and you can choose some presets for parents to use, but don’t force me to use your definition of age appropriate.

alpinisme•34m ago
What tools would you want?
themafia•27m ago
The internet is too dynamic to build a working filter around. Perhaps just tools which help parents quickly and efficiently monitor their child's device usage would be best.

Do you want to alter behaviors or lock children in a gilded cage?

cortesoft•23m ago
Honestly, I don’t have a perfect answer. It really depends on what the service is.

My main thing is I want to be able to opt in or out of various filters. I don’t mind if my kids want to listen to music that has swear words, but I don’t want them watching videos where they give horribly sexist pickup artist advice.

This isn’t just about what I feel is age appropriate, either. It is also about what I know about my kids.

My 10 year old hates scary things, and she gets completely freaked out when they show scary movie previews. I would like to be able to block those for her. On the other hand, my 7 year old is obsessed with scary things and I don’t mind if he plays zombie video games.

blymphony•8m ago
I'm as a big of a horror movie fan as you can find, and I'm completely dumbfounded by the jump scares marketing is allowed to show in trailers nowadays. IMO (coming from someone who is basically unaffected by jump scares), they've gotten more shocking in the past couple years.
stevenalowe•32m ago
And yet, still unlawful compelled speech
zeroCalories•25m ago
When I hear that people are against these laws, what I hear is that people are okay with children being harmed for the slight inconvenience it might cause. Let's just be honest about how we're calculating things: you think these restrictions, which you already effectively live under from private policy, are worse than children being groomed.
SilverElfin•19m ago
If you are worried about your children, keep them off the internet. Don’t rob society of its right to privacy and anonymity and speech.
tverbeure•11m ago
Why don’t you start by explaining how an age verification at the start of a Linux installation help against children being groomed?
konmok•9m ago
There are so many low-hanging fruit to choose from if you want to protect children online, so it makes zero sense to start with the option that deprives every adult of their rights.
lynndotpy•7m ago
[delayed]
SilverElfin•21m ago
The entire age verification and identity verification surveillance system shows state democrats aren’t on our side.
phendrenad2•19m ago
We did it despite the naysayers who faught us saying it "wasn't a big deal" and that this is the "best version of the law we could get". Never listen to the naysayers and compromise your principles to appease them, stay true to what you believe.
zarzavat•12m ago
A cynical person might suspect that the reason they are doing this is so that Linux developers don't have standing to challenge the law on 1st amendment grounds...
SilverElfin•9m ago
That’s exactly what it is. It removes standing, and that is a major flaw in our legal system. We need significant changes to defend constitutional rights properly.
neilv•12m ago
Who is actually writing this very concerning California Internet legislation, which will ultimately affect the entire nation and world?

Did someone write California Internet legislation without consulting any California Internet companies?

Did some California Internet companies write California Internet legislation?

Did some other party write California Internet legislation?

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https://www.probo.com/blog/2026-05-25-is-your-company-concerned-by-nis2
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