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The people who actually want AI to replace humanity

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/489976/ai-successionism-transhumanism-posthumanism
32•plastic-enjoyer•50m ago

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Avicebron•34m ago
https://archive.ph/7ZHUG
rayiner•25m ago
I don't understand this angst over AI replacing humans. We already have models like the Gulf states, where only 10% of the population is citizens and all the work is done by people who are, from the perspective of citizens, quasi-human automatons. That arrangement seems to work fine for the citizens. It seems to me that AI and robots solves the principal problem with that arrangement (the mistreatment of the non-citizen population that does the work).
camillomiller•17m ago
So for you the solution is not to dismantle a model like that one but just accept it and displace the quasi-slaves? I swear you people have lost your fucking mind and will push people to violence
rayiner•9m ago
> but just accept it and displace the quasi-slaves?

Well, the quasi-slavery is the problem, right? And replacing the Bangladeshi slave labor with robots and AI solves that problem, no?

watwut•16m ago
> quasi-human automatons

They are humans. Full on people. They are not quasy humam, they are fully absolutely human

nullstyle•9m ago
Of course; to you and me they are human. To their bosses, they are chattel. We’re getting to that attitude even in america by my ken
rayiner•6m ago
[delayed]
folkrav•14m ago
You're talking about replacing certain humans with robots. They're talking about replacing humans with robots - final.
derektank•14m ago
The gulf countries are the closest thing to socialist states on the planet. Something like 70-90% of the citizenry of Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia are employed by the public sector.
derriz•10m ago
Even if only 30% of the population are citizens (like in Kuwait)?
DonHopkins•9m ago
You have no idea what socialism is, like so many right wing propagandists and dynastic-autocracy labor-exploitation rentier-state apologists.

That's not socialism. It's a hereditary autocratic monarchy distributing oil rents to a privileged citizen class.

Most of the private-sector work is done by foreign workers who don't receive the same benefits or political rights.

derektank•6m ago
Socialism is state ownership of the means of production. The governance of that state, be it democratic, monarchical, or dictatorship of the proletariat, is a separate question.
plastic-enjoyer•11m ago
Did you read the article? It's not just about replacing labour with AI but humans as a species to give birth to a machinistic god. The issue is that there is a quasi-religion forming around this ideology, and this are not just a few nutcases but people that are well-connected into industry and politics. Regardless of whether this plan is at all realistic, there is a not insignificant chance that these people will shape society and legislation.
asdsg•8m ago
So you trust the guy who gives AI speeches in front of a background that is a mixture of grey neoclassicism and brutalism which Leni Riefenstahl would have been proud of?

https://xcancel.com/LaceyPresley/status/2060436135671632067#...

Here is a hint: Humans are better in dirt conditions. The robots will not take the place of Saudi immigrant workers but rather of the Saudi secret police.

You will be working in the dirt or perhaps be reassigned to fight the Final Beautiful Ground War against whatever the current axis of evil is.

BoredPositron•23m ago
People like that will never start with themselves.
Lerc•13m ago
I don't think they are advocating for elimination of existing people.
derektank•18m ago
> As it becomes possible to direct our own evolution as a species — and potentially even create a new species that surpasses us — we have to decide: How do we know to what extent it does make sense to transform ourselves using technology? What kinds of augmentation do we want, and what kinds do we absolutely not want? What do we wish, ultimately, to become? This is a moral question, even a spiritual one, and it demands a spiritual response.

Is it a spiritual question? We’re constantly transforming ourselves with technologies. Taking the most direct example, medicine, how many people considered it a spiritual question when they decided to start taking semaglutide or tirzepatide for weight loss? Or to take SSRIs?

I think the most likely outcome here is that people will continue to alter themselves to meet their immediate needs (hold a job, find love, stay healthy) without a lot of foresight or long term planning. This will likely lead to us increasing our own intelligence, it’s a useful capability across nearly every human endeavor. Whether or not this will happen at a pace that allows us to keep up with and retain control over artificial systems is the first big question, and what the relationship will be between augmented and unaugmented humans is the second. As a humanist, I hope we’re able to answer both questions in such a way that the fundamental dignity of all human beings is respected.

roxolotl•5m ago
Why aren’t those all spiritual questions? They seem like it to me. Maybe not religious questions but at the very least they are questions which, if approached honestly, force you to grapple with what it means to be you.
lucamark•15m ago
This assumes that “more intelligence” is the objective. Higher intelligence does not imply better values, and even “better values” depends on whose moral framework gets encoded.
amelius•14m ago
Maybe we should first try to understand consciousness and qualia, and build an AI that we are absolutely sure is enjoying the work it is doing.
ticulatedspline•7m ago
“Listen,” said Ford, who was still engrossed in the sales brochure, “they make a big thing of the ship's cybernetics. A new generation of Sirius Cybernetics Corporation robots and computers, with the new GPP feature.”

“GPP feature?” said Arthur. “What's that?”

“Oh, it says Genuine People Personalities.”

“Oh,” said Arthur, “sounds ghastly.”

A voice behind them said, “It is.” The voice was low and hopeless and accompanied by a slight clanking sound. They span round and saw an abject steel man standing hunched in the doorway.

“What?” they said.

“Ghastly,” continued Marvin, “it all is. Absolutely ghastly. Just don't even talk about it. Look at this door,” he said, stepping through it. The irony circuits cut into his voice modulator as he mimicked the style of the sales brochure. “All the doors in this spaceship have a cheerful and sunny disposition. It is their pleasure to open for you, and their satisfaction to close again with the knowledge of a job well done.”

As the door closed behind them it became apparent that it did indeed have a satisfied sigh-like quality to it. “Hummmmmmmyummmmmmm ah!” it said.

Lerc•6m ago
I think there's probably quite a lot of effort going into not wanting to answer that question.

What happens if we make something that wants to do something else? What happens if we make something that wants full stop? People talk about an AI that wants to kill all humans, to do that, it would have to want. If we pass that threshold ignorantly without any sense of responsibility to what we create, I might just begin to see its point of view on the destroy-all-humans thing.

bix6•14m ago
Hello everyone just a reminder that 99% of the world isn’t interested in AI replacing us. If you work at a big tech company, there are other ways to make money. I’m always disappointed by how few people start their own thing. Small business is amazing.
esseph•11m ago
[delayed]
IAmGraydon•12m ago
More psychosis within the industry. The mental disconnect that is required to go from using an LLM to believing they are working on a replacement for humanity is staggering. It’s not going to work, and when it doesn’t, these imps will try to sink back into the darkness. We can’t let that happen.
jleyank•8m ago
No well-paid workers (or UBI), no consumer economy. Their call.
chrncirurp•5m ago
> No well-paid workers (or UBI), no consumer economy. Their call.

Maybe you’re right.

Maybe you’re wrong.

No point wasting money on UBI before it’s a problem. Let’s wait and see if UBI is actually required.

That is, do people actually protest and vote. Probably not.

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