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Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/pentagon-raised-threat-israeli-spying-us-highest-level-sources-say-rcna348565
148•MilnerRoute•1h ago

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JohnTHaller•53m ago
President Trump has written a strongly worded check to Netanyahu in response (according to The Onion)
shrubby•51m ago
Seems legit.
trumpdong•49m ago
It's the most reliable source of news these days.
lostlogin•32m ago
Is even dumber than that.

Funds for Israel flow. Trump was yelling expletives down the phone at Netanyahu this week. Trump has been leading an Israeli war.

It’s dizzying, and it’s almost as though there is a lack of sound minds involved.

Has the US ever been easier to manipulate or spy on?

lazystar•30m ago
or more likely, like we the public do not have the full context of whats going on behind the scenes.
infinitezest•27m ago
Based on what we _do_ know, I have serious doubts that this admin could keep a secret if they wanted to.
WaxProlix•26m ago
Yeah, I have to imagine Donald Trump has better intel and is making wise, measured, well-informed decisions beyond the abilities of your average HNer.
cactusplant7374•22m ago
Where is the proof that Iran was going to attack the US? I mean real proof and not just saber rattling.
mupuff1234•32m ago
Israel would be deeply impacted by the results of the negotiations, so is this surprising or unexpected? Any nation including the US would most likely do the same in a similar scenario over what is considered to be almost existential negotiations.
sndgndgndgndy•27m ago
It would be a massive scandal if any of our other allies were conducting this level of spying on our country's senior leadership, for the sole purpose of manipulating their decision processes to the foreign ally's benefit. Israel needs to learn to play by the rules.
basilgohar•24m ago
From its start Israel's existence has been about not playing by the rules. The days are numbered for Israel because it's not and never has been a sustainable enterprise and its exploitation of the American people and US taxpayer money is catching-up to it faster than it can damage control it away or come-up with more and more creative ways to pay people to call label criticism of Israel a hate crime.
make3•24m ago
I don't think we can assume that easily that it's perfectly normal to spy on allies, especially when one ally is the biggest military power in history, & their direct sole protector
lazyasciiart•22m ago
The US has consistently spied on allies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_espionage_in_Aus...
Aboutplants•31m ago
Legitimate question, what would Israel need that we don’t already openly provide?
jarym•29m ago
Protection from the risk that the tide might turn on them despite their extensive political lobbying? Just taking a guess here but probably not far off.
make3•26m ago
there's currently disagreements with Israel on their approach to Lebanon being way more aggressively and murderous than "necessary", whatever that means. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5904899-trump-ne...
anonu•19m ago
The well publicized disagreements are just diplomatic cover. The USA can look tough. Israel might back off for a little bit. Everyone looks good for a moment. Reason has prevailed. Then it'll all go back to Israel's criminal "gaza policy" in South Lebanon, continuing the wanton murder of 1000s of civilians under the guise of "they use children as shields". Well yeah, it's endless guerilla warfare and now hezb has drones. Diplomacy is the only way.
rolph•24m ago
combat is a dynamic situation, if you have no idea what its participants can/cant/will/wont do, you cant formulate prevailing tactics.

situational awareness is best when first hand, as someone may be lying to you, or may not even know what they are doing in the first place.

himata4113•29m ago
I really dislike when a tiny fraction of the conspiracy theories become true since it validates people who believe in them. But I have to admit I do have one of my own, pegasus and related spyware can gain a lot of power over politicians i.e. blackmail which makes me think about how much of our politics are based solely on the fact that politicians often find themselves exploiting their powers and then possibly getting caught by spyware turning them into somewhat of a tool.
colordrops•28m ago
"I hate when I was wrong and other people I sneered at and looked down upon were right".
himata4113•25m ago
It's mostly about X conspiracy theory turned out to be true, so the Y conspiracy must be true! The fact that it even has to be a conspiracy theory that later gets validated is what annoys me, asking questions is okay, claiming conspiracy as fact is not.
make3•22m ago
Thinking that Israel potentially spies on the US government is not what anyone reasonable would call a conspiracy theory.
EchoVoicy•17m ago
What is and isn't considered a conspiracy theory changes very rapidly. There are a lot of things that today are considered common sense that 10 years ago would be considered a fringe conspiracy theory.
himata4113
pbiggar•25m ago
Every Big Tech company employs hundreds of "former" Israeli spies - Google just brought on another 900 via their acquisition of Wiz (to add to their existing 6000).
basilgohar•12m ago
This is well known and documented. It should not be downvoted. Zionism in Big Tech is a huge issue. Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, Francesca Albanese documented this extensively in her report that got her sanctioned by the US. [0]

TurboTax had IDF soldiers in uniform in their offices. [1]

[0] https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/ahrc5923-... [1] https://thegrayzone.com/2026/04/28/tech-giant-employees-idf-...

paulsutter•24m ago
The Snowden disclosures revealed that the US was regularly spying on Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Japan, South Korea, Brazil, Mexico, the EU, and the UN. Also of course the CIA was spying on Congress.

One can only imagine that many of these countries were also spying on us in various capacities, albeit with fewer resources. Israel is a bigger concern because they're extremely good at it, but I'm sure it's nothing new.

wefarrell•21m ago
From the article:

>While it is commonplace for allies and adversaries across the globe to spy on each other, the current and former U.S. officials said Israel’s recent efforts have gone well beyond what is typical and expected espionage.

basilgohar•16m ago
Ah, the whole, "Everyone does it, why are you picking only us?"

They used to for their warcrimes, genocide, apartheid, and literally every other thing they are guilty of.

basilgohar•22m ago
"Government suddenly and confusingly starts acting accordingly to what everyone's already know for a long time." This is really quite scary when you think about it. Why now all of a sudden?
make3•17m ago
disagreements over Lebanon https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5904899-trump-ne...
delecti•16m ago
Maybe this is a bit glib, but it's because attacking Iran (which everyone knew was a bad idea but which presumably seemed useful as a distraction) turned out to be a bad idea. So the administration is taking it out on Israel, who wanted us to do it.
petcat•12m ago
> everyone knew was a bad idea

It was a good idea if it was also timed during the popular uprisings. But the 20,000+ die-hard citizens that would have effected regime change were slaughtered months ago. So now it's just a scared populace hunkering in place while USA warships and jets dominate their country.

And the Iranians fire off the occasional drone swarm on UAE.

basilgohar•6m ago
It was not and never was a good idea. The US and Europe need to stay out of the Middle East, including Israel and Palestine, and let the Jews, Christians, Muslims, and all other indigenous peoples of the area live there peacefully like that had for over a thousand years until each and every single time Europeans and Americans entered militarily causing chaos and havoc.

Was it 100% peaceful prior to the Crusades? Of course not. But not anymore so than anywhere else in the world. Did it become a mess once they arrived? Yes, and they slaughtered everyone, including Christians, when they came, let alone Jews and Muslims and everyone else that wasn't them.

So, we need to stop pretending like the US and European colonizing entities do any kind of good wherever they go. It's just about enriching the elites through military contracts while subverting any peoples' attempts to have autonomy for themselves.

outside1234•18m ago
We are all fooling ourselves if we don't consider that Israel is interfering in our elections too.
nico•8m ago
AIPAC publicly brags about this.

https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/aipac-says-it-was-pro...

https://www.reddit.com/r/illinois/comments/1ry8tha/aipac_ope...

myth_drannon•9m ago
According to the left/islamists, Trump administration is totally under Netanyahu control. Why would you spy on it if you own it? Is it possible that the "source" in Pentagon is actually Netanyahu administration leaking false information for parallel construction?
basilgohar•4m ago
Who are the left/islamists? How does that have anything to do with Israel and spying on the US government? It's the MAGA people feeling betrayed that have been the most outspoken against Trump for his blind following of Zionists calls.

What kind of weak hasbara is this? You guys fell off your game bad.

onemoresoop•22m ago
Dude, the Epstein scandal is just the tip of the iceberg. It goes way deeper than that
bawolff•14m ago
I mean, they did just start a war with iran as a joint venture with trump.

I could understand why anyone who starts a joint venture with trump would be nervous about trump selling them out. It is trump after all. Probably is a logical thing to be concerned about.

CommanderData•13m ago
The vessel state now fully controls its host, I think public sentiment is reversing it just a little.
ceejayoz•13m ago
Dirt on anyone proposing that we stop openly providing such assistance?
Animats•4m ago
"The designation stems from concerns within the Pentagon that Israel is making a particular effort to surveil top U.S. officials to get information on the Trump administration’s internal deliberations and decision-making on the conflicts in the Middle East, the officials said."

So Israel wants to know what Trump is going to do next.

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15m ago
ask AI with internet access disabled aka: the aggregate of the entire internet. every single ai, chinese included will call it antisemitism.
lazyasciiart•24m ago
I hate that people will take “political blackmail is real” and jump to “the moon landing wasn’t real”
Cyph0n•12m ago
Do you blame them? If a global ring of elite pedophiles turned out to be true in spite of all the gaslighting and denial, then why couldn’t the moon landing also be a conspiracy?

Keep in mind that the elite class couldn’t give two shits what the peasant class thinks. In fact, having us believe in false conspiracies helps distract the masses from the true conspiracies :)

Cyph0n•21m ago
Astounding to watch the mental gymnastics at play.

It’s like how Israeli lobbying orgs state that “claiming Zionist orgs control the media is antisemitism”, and then the solution is literally “we should use our contacts & supporters in the media to stop this kind of rhetoric”. Beautiful.

vintermann•17m ago
I don't believe blackmail is the most effective thing. The problem with blackmail is that even if you do as the blackmailer says, they still have the threat hanging over you forever. That increases the risk that they do something desperate.

What is effective, isn't blackmail, but complicity. Doing bad things together. Then you get a shared interest. The people Epstein had blackmail on, knew that he wouldn't use it casually, because after all there would be no way to use it without implicating himself. But if he were desperate, he might. So the victims had an interest in keeping Epstein not desperate.

So it's the bad things they do together which is dangerous. Even things they do in full view of the public can work, because the threat isn't necessarily that the public finds out, it's that if one is held accountable, then all are at risk.

petcat•16m ago
USA almost certainly spies on Israel (and everyone else) far deeper than anyone spies on them.
croes•11m ago
Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi
hammock•10m ago
Since the 1951 Angleton-Harel Secret Pact, there has been an unwritten agreement that CIA and Mossad will not spy on each others countries. Kiriakou (who is a wonk) confirmed as much in recent remarks.

But no one without at least a TS really knows

petcat•9m ago
> unwritten agreement
hammock•7m ago
Ah I forgot writing has magic powers. Especially between nation states. /s

In this case the writing part is not important.

parthdesai•4m ago
They sure do, but looking at recent events, you can make an educated guess on which country has more influence over the other. Part of it can be attributed to spying and knowing dark? secrets.
hammock•15m ago
Same reason that FISA Amendments Act (2008) was passed less than two years after Mark Klein revealed Room 641A.

Same reason that CISA (2015) was passed less than two years after the Snowden revelations.

Once the secrets are open, the feds can codify them into law. They were never going to change their behavior.

rag_wlk•10m ago
One reason is that blaming Israel for the Iran FUBAR situation is very convenient, especially for keeping MAGA on board.

The right wing pundits are already working overtime on X and elsewhere to blame Israel and concoct all sorts of explanations why Trump authorized the strike (the most amusing is that he "was possessed by demons").

Blaming Israel may have been coordinated with Netanyahu, who has nothing to lose and is probably perfectly fine with the blame as long as he gets his war and parts of Lebanon.

Blaming Israel has many historic precedents from Clinton to Trump, often through planted leaks or deliberate hot mics.

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