Should I feel left out if I am not privy to Internet drama?
It's sad that "journalism" these days has devolved into commentary on commentary. Entire stories are published about Twitter fights, which are the modern day equivalent of high-school cafeteria spats, except it's grown adults engaging.
OliverM•55m ago
This is easily googled, no? It is not a twitter fight.
monkey_monkey•54m ago
Are you incapable of using some kind of search engine to find out?
smithoc•41m ago
OP was presumably not asking literally because they thought this was the best way to find out, they were doing so rhetorically to point out that Andrew Tate is not a person of any real significance or mainstream notoriety, who has garnered a weird amount of attention from a tiny set of terminally online people.
Basically, talking about him should be beneath the New Yorker, and the choice to publish about him drags a weird little pocket of the deep internet into the mainstream, in a way that makes us all worse off.
CookieCrisp•52m ago
This would be like someone 40 years ago asking who Donald Trump is. It may not effect you yet but it likely will someday. Ignoring these people does not seem to help them go away
nancyminusone•49m ago
I'm not so good of a judge of these things but I don't think this is thst kind of article.
daft_pink•46m ago
He’s just some idiot who started a self help/motivational educational website called Hustler’s University which had a “PhD program” that controversially explained how to pimp and make money off of girls by having them perform adult content and making tons of $’s while the man collected the revenue. Then proceeded to get accused by different women of rape and human trafficking and has had a long running legal battles and police investigations about it in different countries around the globe.
polotics•43m ago
"motificational"? Excellent!
"motifictional" also "motivafictional" would work , definitely reusing that!
emmelaich•44m ago
Yes, I profoundly dislike the lede "the defining figure of the manosphere"
Like, in who's opinion?
smithkl42•41m ago
Consider yourself lucky. He's a beyond-sleazy, probably criminal online influencer, important in what's called the "manosphere". He's made a lot of money exploiting and abusing women and encouraging other people to do so. If the online clips of him bragging about how to manipulate women into doing pornography don't make you want to throw up, you're pretty far gone. Unfortunately, lots of folks are, in fact, pretty far gone.
mrjay42•27m ago
Your duty of care is just as important as you want it to be
Tate is an influencer, as such he has influenced millions of young men (probably some women too) all over the world, by spread masculinist ideology, "gymbroism" and misogyny
He has multiple cases of crimes and felonies against him:
If you have nephews, sons, (younger) brothers, I'd pay attention to their opinion about Tate. Could be a good warning that something's happening.
You can also afford not to care ^^
naturalmovement•20m ago
All comments but one have missed the forest for the trees.
Influencers are inessential nobodies. They contribute nothing positive to the world and produce nothing of value.
They could all disappear tomorrow and the world would be better off for it. They exist only because of your attention.
I cannot be persuaded to care about these people one iota because it only makes the problem worse in a positive feedback loop.
Ignore them and they'll go away.
If you're worried about your nephews, then they're spending too much time online. The solution is to remove them from the situation, not elevate these narcissists even further.
Women have been abused, joined cults, etc. for centuries. This is not new. There is likely a red-light district in your city full of trafficked women right now, that no one is doing anything about. Why would you care about an e-celeb halfway across the world?
rumori•2m ago
Unfortunately a very large part of the population is living their digital life inside closed platforms nowadays and this is getting even worse with younger generations who literally think tiktok and instagram is _the_ internet.
On these platforms influencers like Tate can gain popularity extremely quickly if they resonate with your interests, fears, ideology.
Tate is/was really popular with men of all ages, representing a mix of hustle mindset, ambition, materialistic goals, working out, mixed in with ponzi scheme like courses on how to make it in today’s world.
It gives a simplistic answer to a lot of people, similar to the cults of yesterday.
naturalmovement•1h ago
Should I feel left out if I am not privy to Internet drama?
It's sad that "journalism" these days has devolved into commentary on commentary. Entire stories are published about Twitter fights, which are the modern day equivalent of high-school cafeteria spats, except it's grown adults engaging.
OliverM•55m ago
monkey_monkey•54m ago
smithoc•41m ago
Basically, talking about him should be beneath the New Yorker, and the choice to publish about him drags a weird little pocket of the deep internet into the mainstream, in a way that makes us all worse off.
CookieCrisp•52m ago
nancyminusone•49m ago
daft_pink•46m ago
polotics•43m ago
emmelaich•44m ago
Like, in who's opinion?
smithkl42•41m ago
mrjay42•27m ago
Tate is an influencer, as such he has influenced millions of young men (probably some women too) all over the world, by spread masculinist ideology, "gymbroism" and misogyny
He has multiple cases of crimes and felonies against him:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Tate#Criminal_investiga...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brot...
If you have nephews, sons, (younger) brothers, I'd pay attention to their opinion about Tate. Could be a good warning that something's happening.
You can also afford not to care ^^
naturalmovement•20m ago
Influencers are inessential nobodies. They contribute nothing positive to the world and produce nothing of value.
They could all disappear tomorrow and the world would be better off for it. They exist only because of your attention.
I cannot be persuaded to care about these people one iota because it only makes the problem worse in a positive feedback loop.
Ignore them and they'll go away.
If you're worried about your nephews, then they're spending too much time online. The solution is to remove them from the situation, not elevate these narcissists even further.
Women have been abused, joined cults, etc. for centuries. This is not new. There is likely a red-light district in your city full of trafficked women right now, that no one is doing anything about. Why would you care about an e-celeb halfway across the world?
rumori•2m ago