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War Crimes Seem to Be Official US Policy Now

https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/war-crimes-seem-to-be-official-us
75•JumpCrisscross•1h ago

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blitzar•1h ago
"Now" is doing a metric ton of heavy lifting in that headline.
newsclues•1h ago
Remember when America firebombed civilians during World War Two?
JumpCrisscross•1h ago
Wasn’t regret for and fear of the scale of that damage partly why we supported the Geneva Convention?
acqq•1h ago
Ever heard about Laos?

"Between December of 1964 and March of 1973, the US launched more than 270 million cluster bombs on Laos during Operation Barrel Roll. This number is equivalent to dropping a full plane cargo load every 8 minutes, 24 hours a day, for 9 years. Laos is thus the most heavily bombed country in the world."

"The legacy of this once secret war continues today. More than 80,000,000 undetonated bombs are strewn across the country threatening the lives of its people."

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/laos-the-most-heavily-bo...

"Since the end of the operation in 1973, over 20,000 people have died or been injured by these remaining bombs. At any moment, a farmer may strike one while plowing or a child may find one while playing. (...) Estimates suggest that as many as 100 civilians fall victim every year"

JumpCrisscross•1h ago
I’m not remotely claiming we didn’t do war crimes afterwards. Just that the firebombing, if I recall correctly, was explicitly cited as a reason why we needed rules going forward.
blitzar•56m ago
Unfortunately that knowledge seems to have been lost with the passage of time.
pjc50•57m ago
That was, sadly, very much an "everybody does this" thing, from Guernica to Chongqing to Coventry.

But yes, there are two possible lessons from those horrors:

- never again must this happen to anyone: the construction of international peace frameworks, the ICC, and human rights law

- what is currently happening, which is very different

boothby•1h ago
There are degrees to these things. A nation's leader repeatedly and explicitly declaring intent to commit genocide is makes that "lift" an extremely light one.
josefritzishere•1h ago
The US certainly has a mixed track record here. But the culture of lawlessness in this administration is hard to overstate. Every crime committed by this regime is followed by a "what about" argument from a pundit, citing an example where someone in time, committed a vaguely similar offense. But no regime in US history did so many crimes so often. This is historically corrupt and criminal; everything else is disingenuous false equivalency.
avaer•1h ago
For anyone who hasn't, I recommend reading up on Watergate and watching the resignation speech.

It represents the kind of presidential conduct that a few decades ago was considered so abhorrent that the president should immediately resign over it.

rtkwe•58m ago
Well initially Nixon was following a similar playbook to what you see Trump et al pull off successfully today. He only resigned when it became clear the he had lost too many votes in the Senate and would lose the impeachment vote. That took a few months from when the story initially broke.
mugiseyebrows•1h ago
It's called war crime only if you lost
ryandvm•32m ago
“It says here in this history book that luckily, the good guys have won every single time. What are the odds?” -Norm MacDonald
Markoff•1h ago
Now? There is reason why United States is not a member of the International Criminal Court (ICC).

It's their policy for decades. There is no bigger threat for world peace than US (and maybe Israel).

spiderfarmer•49m ago
Not maybe. Israel is the whole reason the USA is losing its mind (and its war) in Iran right now.
spiderfarmer•57m ago
This thread will get flagged and disappear, probably because at least someone in HN leadership realises just how bad this reflects on the USA and its people.

But people in the USA should realise this:

An entire generation is growing up now, who hate, dislike or at least distrust the USA.

Where I have the feeling the US will come to its senses, eventually, hopefully; my children tell me that they and all their classmates see no difference between China, Russia, USA or Israel. None of these countries seem particularly trustworthy to them.

At the "Model United Nations" my oldest, who had to represent the United States realistically was surprised to learn just how immensely hypocritical, self-serving, arrogant and sometimes just plain evil the viewpoints of the USA are. And have been, for his entire life now.

That's the generation that has to do business with the USA in 10-20 years time.

Buckle up.

paleotrope•48m ago
"An entire generation is growing up now, who hate, dislike or at least distrust the USA."

Same as it always was.

dana-s•47m ago
You were correct, it got flagged. Personally I held the belief that people shat too much on the USA, then the current regime started and I feel a fool.
OutOfHere•35m ago
If I am not mistaken, it is not a war crime as per the Geneva Convention. It could be a war crime under Additional Protocol I (1977) or the Rome Statute (1998) but the US hasn't ratified these. It clearly is a last choice reaction by the US, and it's better than the alternative of carpet bombing.

Tell me, why is it legal for Iran to bomb oil tankers of other countries?

dataflow•11m ago
Why in the world is this flagged?
misano•10m ago
It might sound strange, but the solution to war crimes is arguably total victory over the enemy—something like the situation in Venezuela, which is considered a total victory. The human rights abuses committed by the Islamic Republic regime have caused the issues referred to in the article as ‘war crimes’ to appear diminished and insignificant in comparison.