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Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails

https://www.korte.co/2026/06/11/digital-sovereignty-becomes-an-imparative-as-the-us-reads-dutch-emails/
40•dotcoma•1h ago

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hunglee2•44m ago
One understated outcome of Trump 2.0 is waking up some sections of the European intelligentsia to the risk of dependency on the United States.

Trump 1.0 should've been enough, but instead European leaders were just too thankful for a Biden back-to-normal scenario that they basically took no action allowing the US to further extend its dominance.

Better late than never. Incidentally, trying to build EU tech independence should produce job making industries, so can become a populist move also

Braxton1980•36m ago
Because Trump has 2.5 years left and they may be hoping a Democrat wins
usrnm•19m ago
Trump was elected. Twice. It was not a fluke, not a once in a lifetime event, he's a symptom of wider processes happening in the US. The world has changed and the old order is not coming back
dre440•26m ago
The irony that it is data from civil servants that wan to implement the biggest central digital censorship endeavor in the western hemisphere.
touwer•14m ago
Ah, yes. Sure. Proof?
la_oveja•4m ago
the danish were one of the strongest Chat Control promovers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chat_Control

TheCapeGreek•10m ago
Is this about EU Chat Control? Because that was mostly pushed from Denmark no?
rapnie•4m ago
Perhaps it originated from there. But EU Chat Control is brought up again and again and again for a vote. They'll continue until some version of it is passed. And then they'll go further with the next privacy infringing regulation to be building on top of it. It is really disheartening for privacy activists, but that is probably the strategy. Wear people out, and push the regulation through when resistance wanes. For information see: https://fightchatcontrol.eu
postepowanieadm•26m ago
They have been doing it for years? ECHELON isn't exactly new. Also, recent EU and UK actions are not exactly privacy friendly.
noosphr•23m ago
Privacy for me, but not for thee.
seydor•25m ago
Digital sovereignity is not enough. You need to get electronic communications completely off the internet.
ku1ik•24m ago
Never thought about it, but makes quite a lot of sense.
fsflover•10m ago
Why? e2e encryption and self-hosting exist.
silon42•2m ago
You mean off the web... Properly encrypted email can't be read in a browser (unless you give your keys to Gmail etc);
m4rkuskk•23m ago
I was trying to read the article, but those animations kept distracting me.
fsflover•3m ago
Use NoScript. Worked like a charm.
jdw64•19m ago
It seems similar conversations are happening in Europe as well. Originally, Korea is a country where the 'pro US faction' (the faction that believes Korea should be subordinate to the US) is very strong by default. The US had a very strong influence on the establishment of the Korean government, and if you look back at Korea's history, it has always been about finding a country to serve. It feels like siding with the strongest power. In fact, the pro US faction is very strong, but there has also been a strong flow of security, bureaucratic, and economic elites who have justified dependence on the US as a national survival strategy.

But recently, after Trump, I have never seen anti American sentiment this bad. It is the first time.

Actually, it is natural. In my view, Trump's policies look very similar to the Indian caste system, and I think they are a serious regression for democracy. More than that, he is destroying all the international trust that the US has built up. In Korea, people used to think of the US as a 'just' country, but these days, people are cautiously mentioning US wrongdoing more often. Especially after the tariffs and the Iran war. I myself am now unemployed because my factory expansion was canceled due to the Iran war.

My country has a natural talent for impeaching presidents, but unfortunately, Americans do not seem to have that talent. What a pity.

fc417fc802•18m ago
This is entirely the wrong lesson to take from this. Why are we still using a plaintext protocol in this day and age? Why can we not get an E2EE addition to the email protocol with full backwards compatibility?

Yes, I understand that it would be imperfect since inevitably not all servers would support it thus forcing additional understanding and decisions on the end user. No, I don't care that a user other than myself might leak my messages in plaintext. Perfectionism in this regard only serves to further shoot us in the foot. Yes, I understand that key distribution is a difficult problem but then that's the case no matter the protocol. Other protocols have solutions that work reasonably well at this point.

There's no justification for the current status quo.

Alternatively I'd be fine using matrix for all my PII related needs (healthcare, government, subscription services, etc, etc) but somehow I don't see that happening any time soon.

laughing_man•13m ago
Getting from here to there is going to be tough, but I agree 100%. Not only should email be E2EE, but it should include a certificate scheme such that you know the person purporting to be the sender is actually the sender.
fsflover•12m ago
How about the metadata? Perhaps if you mean something like self-hosted Matrix, then I agree.
nottorp•8m ago
For large organization data the keys would need to be stored within the organization, not with one particular user as in the case of your personal PII needs.

And then you'd still need to worry about digital sovereignity for the keys.

reacharavindh•14m ago
The fact that government agencies, particularly those that deal with international concerns like these are using non sovereign tech for communications is mind-blowing. They might as well use public gmail.. atleast it would be cheaper. If you want it not exposed directly, host it yourself and take measures to secure it for intended eyes only. This should be common sense.
fc417fc802•5m ago
It's mind blowing that government bureaucrats would be permitted to use commercial providers for official business at all. The provider being foreign is merely the cherry on top.

I was going to ask why something like mail.gov.nl doesn't exist but it turns out [0] that they don't have a reserved second level domain for official government services to use? Is this really one of the countries pushing digital IDs?

> Official second-level domains do not exist.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.nl

attila-lendvai•6m ago
yes, digital sovereignity of the individual.
sam_lowry_•5m ago
In the meantime Belgian public sector will use Google Cloud, it seems: https://ittech-pulse.com/news/smals-partners-with-google-clo...

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