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Show HN: Babel realtime calls with strangers in any language

https://itsbabel.com
1•epsteingpt•1m ago•0 comments

Tracing an 8kb Postgres Read

https://frn.sh/8kb-read/
1•shellpipe•1m ago•0 comments

Mythos, make me a pelican on a bicycle (in 3D)

https://www.cad.fun/?file=implicits%2Fpelican-bicycle.implicit.js
1•softservo•1m ago•1 comments

Make any classic ROM online multiplayer and use phones as controllers

https://doot.games/game/retro-arcade
1•virgilvox•2m ago•0 comments

SpaceX starts trading, and some 'shareholders' discover they own nothing at all

https://fortune.com/2026/06/12/spacex-ipo-when-trading-starts-some-shareholders-will-discover-the...
2•MilnerRoute•3m ago•0 comments

Patagonia is suing Pattie Gonia, a drag queen performer

https://apnews.com/article/patagonia-trademark-pattie-gonia-climate-e479a32a66c1d8c6dae95936b401984a
1•petethomas•3m ago•0 comments

I spent my savings building a food logging app because none worked

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/food-tracker-macro-mealsnap/id6475162854
1•phenrys•3m ago•0 comments

Research Is Not Engineering at a Slower Speed

https://voiceinthemachine.com/2026/06/10/research-is-not-engineering-at-a-slower-speed/
1•pabo•7m ago•0 comments

Jailbreak that potentially triggered Anthropic Fable Model ban?

https://twitter.com/elder_plinius/status/2064776322979676227
1•abjha•8m ago•0 comments

Open Source AI Must Win

https://opensourceaimustwin.com/?share=v2
14•vednig•14m ago•2 comments

NeonX

https://github.com/inrryoff/NeonX
1•inrryoff•16m ago•0 comments

Hasta Pronto – An AI Farewell Letter and Interactive Memorial – Claude

https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/fcf36cd3-85f4-49f4-8ef1-5b767ff8ec55
2•corvad•19m ago•0 comments

Tell HN: I'm making 1K USD per hour with AI

4•anongoogleuser•21m ago•6 comments

Show HN: I rebuilt the Million Dollar Homepage as a single growing button

https://growthebutton.com/?hn
1•hedvion•22m ago•0 comments

Postgres Scan Types in Explain Plans

https://www.crunchydata.com/blog/postgres-scan-types-in-explain-plans
2•craigkerstiens•22m ago•0 comments

Anthropic's leaning in to the whole nanny state thing

https://honeypot.net/2026/06/12/anthropics-leaning-in-to-the.html
1•corvad•23m ago•0 comments

I'm 15 and built a self improvement app

1•henrygatlin•26m ago•1 comments

Samsung may make the next Google AI chip

https://www.koreaherald.com/article/10770505
2•joseph3553•26m ago•0 comments

TycoonLE: A Jax reinforcement learning environment for long-horizon planning

https://github.com/vrtnis/tycoon-learning-environment
2•vrtnis•26m ago•1 comments

Hatchkeep Property Management Software

https://www.hatchkeep.com/
1•jniccoli•27m ago•0 comments

The Last Surviving Japanese Porsche 912 Police Car

https://kottke.org/26/06/the-last-surviving-japanese-porsche-912-police-car
1•zdw•30m ago•0 comments

Reddit RSS feeds recent rate limiting and solution

https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/2026/6/3.html
8•zdw•37m ago•1 comments

Meta's months-old AI unit is a soul-crushing gulag

https://techcrunch.com/2026/06/12/metas-months-old-ai-unit-is-a-soul-crushing-gulag-say-the-engin...
3•0xedb•37m ago•0 comments

SentinelMCP – An open-source firewall for AI agents that use MCP

https://github.com/technosiveuk-ui/SentinelMCP
1•technsoive•37m ago•0 comments

Self-Improving Harness Is an Experiment Design Problem

https://www.henrypan.com/blog/2026-05-25-self-improvement-harness/
2•megadragon9•38m ago•0 comments

Shoeshine Boy Buys the Index

https://www.marginpoints.com/essays/shoeshine-boy-buys-the-index
1•historian1066•40m ago•0 comments

Elon Musk laid out 602 goals. We counted how many he hit

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/06/12/business/spacex-ipo-elon-musk/elon-musk-laid-out-602-goal...
2•Timofeibu•44m ago•0 comments

Every Frame Perfect

https://tonsky.me/blog/every-frame-perfect/
1•soheilpro•53m ago•0 comments

Preliminary analysis of AUR malware (400 packages compromised)

https://ioctl.fail/preliminary-analysis-of-aur-malware/
1•apublicfrog•55m ago•0 comments

Show HN: AccInt – a Work Model for AI coding agents

https://accint.xyz/
2•maxbaluev•1h ago•0 comments
Open in hackernews

US Government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

https://www.anthropic.com/news/fable-mythos-access
831•Dylan1312•1h ago

Comments

recursivedoubts•1h ago
May you live in interesting times.
AndrewKemendo•1h ago
Great time to remind people that this is meant to be a curse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_in_interesting_ti...

operatingthetan•1h ago
I think that's how GP meant it
AndrewKemendo•1h ago
Yeah but readers may not know it that way

https://xkcd.com/1053/

blooalien•52m ago
Hahah! I'm one of today's lucky 10,000! :)

Down the rabbit-hole with me now to discover who said it first... LOL!

(Edit: Proving to be a fruitless quest thus far. Nobody seems to know.)

blooalien•1h ago
Glad I clicked that Wikipedia link! Chinese curse... I'd always been told it was an old Bedouin curse. Learn somethin' new every day (still to this day, and every new day until I become physically incapable of learning).
AndrewKemendo•58m ago
For years I had heard it was an Arab curse, which is partly why I’m sharing.
jeanlucas•56m ago
And I got it as a Roman curse (or from Roman times). That is common with old sayings.
EduardoBautista•1h ago
Well maybe now they will learn that they shouldn’t overhype the capabilities of their models.
cobbal•1h ago
Sadly, I suspect this will be the best piece of marketing they could ever hope for. "It's so advanced the government made us add extra security* to stop hackers!"

*(ask it in a more stern voice)

blooalien•1h ago
> * (ask it in a more stern voice)

Surprisingly, I've found this works shockingly well (along with any plausible-sounding reason why it was wrong of the model to refuse) to "jailbreak" many models I've played with thus far. They're all just so eager to please...

nphard85•1h ago
Will there be refund?
songbird23•1h ago
refund for the tokens you already spent via the API or the $200 max that didnt really change?
valleyer•50m ago
Refund for the subscription I started after the announcement of Fable.
nphard85•49m ago
exactly
pixelpoet•38m ago
Already got my refund, at least that was quick.
foxtacles•22m ago
Got a refund for the full $200 subscription
SXX•1h ago
Finally they will pay for all the scaremongering they been doing to sell their models as something so much ahead of all else.

Now they finally found the right fools in audience to believe it.

EnPissant•1h ago
Pay? This is the best marketing they could have hoped for.
SXX•1h ago
There is a chance they'll lose on some income if it takes longer.

Unfortunately there also a possibility this what they intentionally wanted to try regulatory capture to get rid of competitors.

platinumrad•1h ago
Anthropic has been angling for regulatory capture this entire time, to an even greater extent than OpenAI.
blackqueeriroh•1h ago
Y’all really have convinced yourselves that people in the industry are far, far smarter than they are, and far more manipulative than they are.

You see the state of the country and you think it’s a nefarious master plan instead of a bunch of opportunistic people taking advantage of an overworked, overstimulated populace who forget to vote or believe stupid slogans on TV.

Nobody is doing this intentionally. Have you not paid attention to how quickly idiot stuff gets found out????

whattheheckheck•
chrismsimpson•1h ago
My agitating prayer is that other nations (even so called US allies) will nationalise what they can (ie model weights already deployed within their jurisdictions). This is the only way to respond to a rogue US administration.
JumpCrisscross•1h ago
> other nations will nationalise what they can

The only other relevant players are France and China.

chrismsimpson•1h ago
Anyone with these model weights deployed in their territory has this tool in their arsenal.
xpct•41m ago
I've actually not thought about deployments in remote jurisdictions that much. I also don't think the models are dangerous enough to warrant it, but do you reckon the big labs have plans thought out for deleting remote model copies, such that they couldn't be scrubbed off cold NVMEs?
tehjoker•1h ago
If I read that right, the "jailbreak" is to ask the model to fix the codebase and then it exposes the flaws? That sounds like a gap that is nearly impossible to fix while retaining high capability. Like you want it to be able to fix your codebase...
arplynn•1h ago
US Government does bizarre, erratic thing which will likely be walked back shortly. Spectators nonplussed. Film at 11.

Europe really needs to get some useful sovereign capability and right quick.

operatingthetan•1h ago
>which will likely be walked back shortly.

Well you said it yourself they are erratic, so maybe?

Levitz•1h ago
I'm confused, this just happened recent no? Why does the date read "Jun 11, 2026" ?
wewewedxfgdf•1h ago
I guess if the CEO goes running around saying his own product is a pending mega disaster for society.......

I'm glad I don't own stock in a public Anthropic.

SXX•1h ago
Thinking of it unfortunately there is good chance it exactly what they want for regulatory capture.
jordemort•1h ago
Nothing but the highest quality drama and theater from Anthropic, as always
estearum•1h ago
Ah yes, the US government forcing private companies to stop selling their products is totally a sign of Anthropic's drama and not our paranoiac fascist regime.
platinumrad•1h ago
It's both.
this_user•1h ago
Anthropic spent months going on about how incredibly powerful and dangerous their models are and how access to them needs to be restricted. Now they are getting what they seemingly wanted.
estearum•1h ago
Clearly they've assessed that the models they released are safe enough to release. Without a clear regulatory framework and Constitutional basis to overrule them, that is Anthropic's decision to make, and not the US government's.

It's disheartening how many people think the use of government power is justified or not based on the WWE smackdown drama they concoct in their own brain instead of, you know, the laws of our nation.

It is very dangerous for the government to be able to shut off services, regardless of whether their owners wrote some blog posts that rubbed you the wrong way.

ianm218•1h ago
hgoel•1h ago
Well, there go any such claims of dangerousness in future models, regardless of if they are true or false.

No one's going to risk building anything important on these models if the government will randomly order the use of the model to be discontinued by all foreigners, regardless of if they are in the US or not. Just a matter of a foreign company catching up to take the commercial market for such models (though, as the US often does, they'll ban the competitor, so actually we'll have a situation where the backend uses a different model in only the US).

neuronexmachina•1h ago
From reading the post, I think it's more likely that anti-jailbreaking is going to become much more strict and prone to false-positives.

> We received the directive from the government today at 5:21pm (ET). The letter did not provide specific details of its national security concern. Our understanding is that the government believes it has become aware of a method of bypassing, or “jailbreaking” Fable 5. We reviewed a demonstration of this specific technique being used to identify a small number of previously known, minor vulnerabilities. These vulnerabilities all appear relatively simple, and we have found that other publicly-available models are able to discover them as well without requiring a bypass.

hgoel•1h ago
But no matter how conservative they make the anti-jailbreaking, the risk doesn't go away. There are so many logic "holes" that are ambiguous and can blur the line between a jailbreak and legitimate use.

If every time a jailbreak is discovered, the model has to be turned off and jailbreak prevention updated, the effect will be the same regarding how willing users are to adopt it.

stevarino•17m ago
Also this falls into the "right to bear arms" thing: if LLMs are limited legally, then illegal LLMs will be the superior choice. This is pretty much the plot of Cryptonomicon and Corey's take on I, Robot
consumer451•1h ago
> The US government, citing national security authorities, has issued an export control directive to suspend all access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 by any foreign national, whether inside or outside the United States, including foreign national Anthropic employees. The net effect of this order is that we must abruptly disable Fable 5 and Mythos 5 for all our customers to ensure compliance.

How will this be implemented/verified? Also, does this mean that American citizens abroad will still be able to access it?

wrs•1h ago
It can’t be; that’s why they shut it off for everybody.
axus•1h ago
Except for the US Government.

We can cancel all those data center plans, won't need them anymore.

DANmode•1h ago
> we must abruptly disable Fable 5 and Mythos 5 for all our customers

What’s not clear?

consumer451•1h ago
Oh, I just re-read it. I guess the first time my mind somehow implied "while we figure out how to comply..."
pizzly•50m ago
Easy. Provide your government issued ID such as US passport before signing up to an AI provider. Issue fines or jail time to anyone who supplies their AI access to a foreign citizen
rvz•1h ago
So the US government was able to shut down that upgraded version of that slot machine in Anthropic's casino because of how powerful it is?

There is something called the Streisand effect and they are about to unintentionally get a bunch of more token gamblers into their casino.

We'll see if this backfires hard, but then again constant doomsaying will get yourself under scrutiny and self exclusion (due to the 30+ day retention clause) and this is exactly what Anthropic wants for free marketing.

dramaqueens•1h ago
Nice drama, LOL!! I still remember ChatGPT is very dangerous to be released a long time back. World is fine now!!
tehjoker•1h ago
Not really, the impacts on education seem to be severe. People are actively getting dumber.
SXX•1h ago
People getting dumber it exactly what any government wants.
andrekandre•1h ago
i got news for you, its not just in education; output in business world is also getting sloppier and lazier as well
left-struck•1h ago
Is it fine though? We’re definitely seeing some huge negative impacts from AI use. Of course some positive ones as well, but the point is that they were right to be concerned.
maxall4•1h ago
> We have reviewed the report and validated that the level of capability displayed there is widely available from other models (including OpenAI’s GPT-5.5), and is used every day by the defenders who keep systems safe. We will share more details over the next 24 hours.

So much for all of the rhetoric about Mythos supposedly far surpassing GPT 5.5 (edit: in cybersecurity, in particular). Of course, the AISI benchmarks also showed this, but it is amusing that Anthropic is saying it now that it is to their advantage.

jsw97•1h ago
If this gets 5.5 banned I am going to be hopping mad.
CamperBob2•12m ago
The best time to get mad was yesterday, when Amodei explicitly asked Trump to do something like this. But now works, too.
siddboots•1h ago
They aren't saying that other models have the same overall level of capability. They are saying that the specific capability that the US Government tested is also available in other models.
Tossrock•1h ago
This is about the specific capabilities that the government called out, not Fable's overall capabilities. My personal experience, having used Fable this week for an extremely complex task, is that it is head and shoulders more powerful than any other model, at least for software engineering.
joe_the_user•1h ago
So eventually, you will have a massive string of data centers working to full capacity and whose only client will the US government?
left-struck•1h ago
I have to wonder if their aggressive guardrails were because they had a specific reason to believe that this was coming.
TIPSIO•1h ago
Really sick of this stupid narrative.

The most ethical goal of an AI lab or government should be to bring the maximum amount of intelligence for as cheap as possible to the people equally.

lovich•1h ago
Prefacing that I assume this order is done with ill intent, and would guess that it’s based on Anthropic not bending the knee immediately like OpenAI did.

But your statement could be rephrased as

> The most ethical goal of a weapons manufacturer or government should be to bring the maximum number of nuclear weapons for as cheap as possible to the people equally.

Making sure everyone is a strapped as possible only makes sense to the type of libertarians who salivate at the idea of shooting someone who steps on their property to deliver a letter

TIPSIO•1h ago
This is obviously a super corny / silly / dramatic thing to say.
lovich•36m ago
What I said or what you said?

If it’s the latter then I missed the joke. If it’s the former I think you’re incorrect.

procone•1h ago
Agreed 100%. I don't understand why we have to fear access to knowledge.
ajyoon•1h ago
dmitrygr•1h ago
1. Lie about making thinking machines smarter than humans

2. Get treated like you actually did what you claimed, and face consequences

3. ???

4. Profit

JumpCrisscross•1h ago
Who in government? Link to the order?
brookst•1h ago
Most corrupt US administration in history, by a long shot.

Wonder how many US-based early-stage startups are using Opus to research incorporating and moving overseas at this very moment.

EU isn’t tenable, UK is iffy. Australia? Thailand? Who wants to be innovation-friendly?

blharr•1h ago
I'm surprised that (all) these models haven't been export controlled already. Relatively benign software like VMware is export controlled or even hobbyist radio projects have gotten hairy with ITAR.

But a model that can provide general information, research, or source code for most modern technology?

It is really unusual that this is the first notice of this

patrickaljord•1h ago
it already blocks users from Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Russia etc
7thpower•1h ago
Too late, NK already completed all the markdown files needed to both create their hypernuke and recreate the hurricane machine Dick Cheney had left Obama.
kingstnap•1h ago
Highly reliable supply chains to bet the entire future on :)
adriand•1h ago
On the plus side, it’s Friday night. Hopefully this is sorted out by Monday morning.
chatmasta•1h ago
It’ll be sorted out after OpenAI releases their next model.
Imnimo•1h ago
This is exactly what Dario asked for in his last blog post. So even though this is clearly stupid, I just can bring myself to feel sorry for Anthropic.
blackqueeriroh•1h ago
Please tell me how this is what he “asked for.”
Imnimo•55m ago
"The government should have the power to block or deter deployment of the model if it is determined, in light of third-party assessment, to present unacceptable risks."
naturalmovement•6m ago
Clearly he meant that should be the standard applied to everyone else.
llelouch•50m ago
He asked for an independent body.
Imnimo•47m ago
No, he asked for the government to make the decision in light of 3rd party analysis. Which is what happened here - an independent company demonstrated a jailbreak, and the government issued a restriction on deployment based on that finding.
csto12•1h ago
Someone forgot to cut a check to the Big Guy :^)
GreenSalem•1h ago
MAGA madness strikes again ..
frisco•1h ago
For large corporates and other entities of any size, the threat of the core of your infrastructure getting suddenly disabled because of something like this is going to be untenable. I predict the pressures for on-prem, offline access (whether by licensing weights or getting them in a restricted setting like TEE/CC) will be overwhelming and one the players will fill the need.
sgrove•1h ago
Likely many points along the pareto frontier.

Some will take greater risks and win (or lose); others will play it safer and slowly accumulate wins (or be obsoleted).

Never mind the threat of letting these models write code that runs your business, or operate it agentically. Models trained by actors (corporate or nationstate) diametrically opposed to your interests.

Lots to take into account now, interesting time to be in business.

yogthos•55m ago
This is precisely why I expect that Chinese open models are going to win in the long run. The capability difference isn't dramatic in the grand scheme of things, but the fact that you can run your own is a huge selling point. Even if you rent an open model from a Chinese company, you can switch to on prem if they decided to yank access or change terms in the way you don't like. It might be a pain, but it wouldn't be existential. On the other hand, if you become dependent on a closed model and it gets yanked then you're in a world of hurt.

And infrastructure dominance is really the big picture here. Chinese models are going to become the standard setters because they're going to be what people are using. That means more research, more tooling, and a whole ecosystem developing around them.

And that was already starting to happen even before this fiasco with Chinese models now being the most used ones globally. https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/technology/features/story/clau...

eis•1h ago
I already gave up on Fable 5 because it sometimes was just not worth the editional price compared to Opus 4.8 and other times it flat out downgraded to Opus anyways for no good reason because it thought I'm looking for security vulnerability while working on the auth part of my app. In our company Fable 5 is not enabled because of the change in data retention being required.

And now this. How would they even enforce this restriction when they can't know what nationality the end user behind some API query belonging to a company account has? It seems like nobody is thinking things through anymore and the end result is total unreliability from every angle. What a huge mess all of it, sigh.

ihaveajob•1h ago
Well, I'm glad I used all my tokens earlier today... It was a good run.
singripal•1h ago
Same day as the SpaceX IPO
whh•1h ago
Interestingly, I am yet to lose access.
taurath•1h ago
It’s like a ghost story that everyone has decided is real. Lets hope our vibe government and vibe society and vibe president don’t get prompt injected
blooalien•53m ago
> "Lets hope our vibe government and vibe society and vibe president don’t get prompt injected"

Haven't they/we already, or am I just not interpreting the last decade or so of growing widespread insanity correctly?

simonw•1h ago
Anyone lost access yet? Fable is still working for me on https://claude.ai/ and in Claude Code.

UPDATE: I lost access at 6:59pm pacific.

steve_adams_86•1h ago
It appears to be working for me, but... Maybe it's silently degrading? It's hard to say.
re-thc•1h ago
> Maybe it's silently degrading? It's hard to say.

Opus 4.8 spams a lot more text. It'd be obvious.

Retr0id•1h ago
The fact that it's hard to say is funny, in contrast with the fanfare surrounding the launch of Fable.
greenavocado•1h ago
Fable is currently way below many other models in the rankings due to some sort of internal throttling https://aistupidlevel.info/

GPT-5.4 is currently the strongest model (this changes hourly)

Methodology: https://aistupidlevel.info/faq#methodology

DetroitThrow•
jsw97•1h ago
If USG bans these models, what is the game plan wrt Chinese models? Will they also ban these (and how, esp open source)? And if not, how is this not throwing the ball game to China? There is no top-down control without international cooperation which, let’s face it, is not happening.

Another interpretation, of course, is that this is just US putting a thumb on the scale for US competitors around IPO time. It will be interesting to see if there are any fingerprints.

natch•26m ago
China already won when 空降美国人 were created 20, 30 years ago.
neutrinobro•1h ago
Good thing I just maxed out my weekly usage limit at 5:10pm on my cheapo $20/mo plan.
stingraycharles•1h ago
So isn’t the only logical conclusion that we have reached the max of model capabilities that the US allows to be made available to the public? Why invest in smarter models with this precedent?

And potentially more importantly: if a model like Mythos, which at best is an incremental improvement over Opus, is getting this treatment, how are all the AI investments that are based on the expectation of ASI / AGI / significantly better models going to be recouped?

ncallaway•1h ago
It seems more likely that the logical conclusion is the executive branch is mad at Anthropic, and lashing out at them with any convenient tool that they have.

I suspect if OpenAI or Grok was operating at the same level they wouldn’t find themselves on the sharp end of the government stick

blueaquilae•56m ago
But it was Anthropic initiative to limit the deployment to restricted groups, it's great to see the gov following their analysis. AIs are too powerful and dangerous they should be limited to a very restrained individuals isn't?
thewebguyd•41m ago
> AIs are too powerful and dangerous they should be limited to a very restrained individuals isn't?

IF LLMs are THAT dangerous and powerful (and that's a huge if that I do not currently subscribe to), then no, no one should have access at all, there is no group of people in positions of power (government or corporate power) that I would consider "restrained"

ncallaway•24m ago
iandanforth•1h ago
"We received the directive from the government today at 5:21pm (ET)"

This sounds exactly like the opening line from an apocalyptic sci-fi film.

itkovian_•1h ago
What are the odds this is partially them making the point; you were all complaining about monitoring/access/safeguards: remember we don’t have to give this to you at all. And using a us gov letter as justification for that.
itkovian_•1h ago
People forget the people in charge of these companies are some of the smartest people out there full stop. Far more shadowy strategy/things like this going on than people think.
blackqueeriroh•56m ago
Lmao this is one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard. Who? Elon Musk? No. Sam Altman? Laughable. Dario Amadei? Above-average, maybe.

The people who are the smartest people full stop aren’t the leaders of these companies - they’re the people you never meet, who are working in the research department, begging not to be promoted into management.

tmpz22•35m ago
Lol just meet one of them. Not at a curated product launch. You’ll never think of them as smart again.
ivm•1h ago
> You see the dawn of this age everywhere, from Iran to online age verification regimes, and this is only the beginning. This is why the world ahead will feel medieval in structure while remaining hypermodern and even futuristic in technology. It is a Frank Herbert world. It will be organized around overlapping zones of protection, extraction, and controlled access, rather than around universal inclusion into a single normative space.

https://turbulence.substack.com/p/the-gated-age

tersers•33m ago
So the Imperium from 40k?
torben-friis•1h ago
It was literally three days ago that I was commenting the possibility of non Americans receiving worse code.

There we go. This should make nations consider whether they're letting their workforces become dependent on foreign tools, but of course they won't.

xpct•8m ago
As someone who's also worried about delegating too much thinking to LLMs, I wonder if letting your own citizens use the good models is detrimental.
varispeed•1h ago
Did Trump write this personally?

> In fact, our safeguards are so strong that many users have complained that they are overly broad.

bridgettegraham•18m ago
"i can has the bestest powers of the world, i is the strongest, i is the badest president ever" what a retard
pnathan•1h ago
(1) personally very annoying. I have been using fable to try to collect cutting edge math in one area and work on a hopefully new result with lean verification.

(2) I am really tired of the AI community trying to threaten everyone with grey goo and finding out the hype doesn't land comfy with others. It's a freaking text generator, not god in a pocket.

morpheos137•39m ago
it is text generator. just like an interactive library or smaet search engine. if we dont ban books on cryptography putting this under ITAR is rather absurd. Anthying these models train on is already public or accessible information. They just collect and link it together dynamically. Whats next wikipedia is ITAR. However thisnreuskt is expected when you got rationalist kooks (cf Dario Amodei) marketing the "singularity" religion.
pmalynin•1h ago
I guess they’ll just have to put the weights into a book format and publish the physical copies
eqmvii•1h ago
I give it until Tuesday at the latest until it's accessible again.
real0mar•1h ago
Finally, they face consequences for their IPO pump fear mongering rhetoric
tapoxi•1h ago
Part of me thinks fault lies with Anthropic for scaremongering, part has zero faith in the current administration especially after the "supply chain risk" designation.

It may be safer to just move the company to Canada.

hendersoon•1h ago
No actual proof of any kind. Obviously a petulant attack on Anthropic.
dabinat•1h ago
Not allowing it to be used by any foreign national, from any country, even if they are located in the United States or an employee of Anthropic, seems overly broad and harsh. And all because of a seemingly minor potential jailbreak exploit. There’s something that doesn’t quite meet the eye here.
csto12•1h ago
Yes, because this government is known for its subtlety…
Tossrock•1h ago
Well, there is the lingering beef between the DoD and Anthropic. Knowing the overall level of maturity at the top levels of the US government, I'd take good odds on Mythos just being a good excuse for Hegseth & co. to lash out.
Polizeiposaune•1h ago
The scope of who is allowed to continue using it sounds like it is aligned with other US export controls (like ITAR and EAR).
DetroitThrow•51m ago
Unfortunately this is how export controls work. We don't let foreign researchers around national security parts of national labs, even if they work there, because it's simply the easiest security measure you can take. It doesn't mean it's a good outcome for researchers or research. It's insurance of US directed funds.
adityamwagh•1h ago
I was about to upgrade from Pro plan to the Max plan today because I had a really positive experience with Fable 5. Glad I didn't!
jvanderbot•1h ago
This is a continuation of the clapback from DoW kerfluffle right?
llm_nerd•1h ago
This administration is spectacularly corrupt (take a look at what is happening with the Gordie Howe bridge -- the entire government is beholden to billionaires if they just pad some pockets), so odds favour that OpenAI called some of their employees in government, looking to kneecap a competitor. They didn't make all of those massive donations for nothing.
engineer_22•1h ago
> We suspect that perfect jailbreak resistance is not currently possible for any model provider. Every safeguard used in the industry is vulnerable to non-universal jailbreaks (which can elicit some cyber information in specific circumstances), and it is likely that universal jailbreaks will eventually be found in the future.

Laying the groundwork to limit access to high capability models

OsrsNeedsf2P•1h ago
I for one look forwards to our Minimax, Qwen, Kimi, GLM, and Deepseek overlords
gpm•1h ago
> The US government, citing national security authorities, has issued an export control directive to suspend all access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 by any foreign national, whether inside or outside the United States, including foreign national Anthropic employees

There's no way they have the authority to actually order this and not just request this right? If crypto is speech... LLMs definitely are...

pixl97•1h ago
They do have the authority to do this, Anthropic has the ability to appeal it in court, up to the SCOTUS. Lord only knows what our crazy ass judges in that court will do though.
blackqueeriroh•1h ago
Doesn’t really matter - the government is given wide latitude by the judiciary in matters of national security. I also expect Anthropic will fight this in court if it lasts very long.
alberth•38m ago
US has banned export of cryptography. They are extending such claims for national security reason to AI model.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_th...

zarzavat•3m ago
The US tried to ban it. djb challenged it on first amendment grounds and the result was that the US government gave up trying to enforce any ban.
kakugawa•1h ago
So, how is it being disabled? It still shows "Fable 5" on all surfaces (to me). Is it being silently degraded to Opus under-the-hood?

Edit: Fable 5 was just disabled.

sponnath•54m ago
I think it's being silently downgraded. Can't tell for sure.
abidlabs•1h ago
Interesting to see Anthropic now downplaying the new vulnerabilities that Mythos discovered:

> We reviewed a demonstration of this specific technique being used to identify a small number of previously known, minor vulnerabilities. These vulnerabilities all appear relatively simple, and we have found that other publicly-available models are able to discover them as well without requiring a bypass

Tiberium•1h ago
I think what they're saying is that this prompt/jailbreak only lets Mythos discover some really easy vulnerabilities that it probably fixes from a simple "Find and fix bugs in this code" and that this can be easily done by other models like GPT-5.5. Which is very different from targeted security research.
chatmasta•40m ago
But it’s not that different from the whole premise of their red team scaremongering which was “we pointed the model at a source file and told it to find an exploit.”
cespare•1h ago
AFAICT this is not talking about Glasswing stuff. They are saying that they were sent a demonstration of Fable 5 being used/abused in some specific way that led to the "discovery" of some minor, already-known vuln, and that other models can find it too. IOW, they're claiming that the USG's complaint is baseless and dumb.
bonsai_spool•37m ago
> Interesting to see Anthropic now downplaying the new vulnerabilities that Mythos discovered:

That is absolutely NOT what is being said there.

They are referring to a very specific thing that you must have clearly seen and chosen to ignore—a jailbreak for LLMs that is used on other models and to some effect with Fable 5.

CompoundEyes•1h ago
It says this happened at 5:21 EST today…

The page showed June 11, 2026 and has now been updated to June 12, 2026 in the last 10m.

https://imgur.com/a/lx7HCW9

Edit:

Google mislabels crawl dates clearly my bad

deaux•58m ago
> Google shows that the page was crawled a few days ago.

Where'd you get this info? The imgur is the weakest thing one could've screenshotted. At least use archive.today or screenshot the evidence that Google crawled it.

paulmist•56m ago
It shows the same for this thread.

https://imgur.com/a/EOWWUbD

meetpateltech•48m ago
> Google shows that the page was crawled a few days ago.

That's the release blog post. Google is likely pulling the snippet from the Related Content section at the bottom, which includes the post about the US government directive.

MallocVoidstar•44m ago
Google shows completely wrong timestamps all the time. I'm pretty sure they just randomly grab vaguely date-like text from pages and declare it the date the page was created.
garg•1h ago
Isn't this exactly what Dario wanted?
wewewedxfgdf•1h ago
Just in case you need evidence for the need of AI/LLM sovereignty.
fnordpiglet•1h ago
Thanks, Obama!

(Ok gotta spend my upvote points somewhere)

siva7•1h ago
Ok, so why can i still access fable? Did they forgot to pull the cable?
Tiberium•1h ago
Probably silently rerouting?
guybedo•1h ago
one more reason for Europe to (try to) move away from US companies.

Although it's gonna be more difficult to come up with a Fable competitor than a m365 one

throw3421•1h ago
Stupid government run by warmongers
easton•1h ago
A company with different taste would redo that apple ad from the Power Mac era: “this model has been classified a munition”.

https://youtu.be/l2ThMmgQdpE

ivraatiems•1h ago
When you spend a lot of time telling people how dangerous your products are, people who have the power to keep dangerous products off the market might listen.

Especially if those people aren't presently very bright, and are already mad at you for not helping them achieve their unrelated authoritarian goals.

I do not think this is somehow a 3D chess move by Anthropic. They are not masterminds, even if they'd really like to be. People who actually interact with their products know that Fable and Mythos are incremental improvements, not doomsday devices. I think this is a punitive move by an administration that loves being punitive, which they have unknowingly bolstered with their own dumb rhetoric.

egonschiele•15m ago
To be clear, they've been saying that all AI needs to take a break. I don't think this single action is going to do much.
replwoacause•5m ago
> Especially if those people aren't presently very bright, and are already mad at you for not helping them achieve their unrelated authoritarian goals.

Just more corrupt behavior from the contemptible kakistocracy that's busy running things into the ground and enriching themselves while they're at it.

zmmmmm•1h ago
Listen - that's the sound of millions of companies and users doubling down on Chinese models.

It might be a national security problem for other nations to have access to these models. But it's equally now a national security problem for any other nation to depend on them. Or US tech in general.

paulmist•52m ago
Aren't biggest Qwen 3.7 closed? I don't suspect China's policy here would be anything but ruthless.
andrewchambers•49m ago
deepseek v4 pro is great and open weight.
EchoVoicy•38m ago
It is, and I love it, but it isn't capable of performing the tasks I've been giving to Opus, let alone Fable.

Don't get me wrong, I use it, it's fast-smart-and affordable. But not suitable for all tasks.

girvo•8m ago
MiniMax M3 is surprisingly powerful, and open weight (or is about to be). There's others in this space too: MiMo v2.5, GLM 5.1. There's quite a few to pick from if you want strong models running on "your" hardware.
ks2048•52m ago
Wait until it is illegal to download or use Chinese models (only half-joking).
catigula•1h ago
Begun, the AI wars have.
matheusmoreira•1h ago
Yep. Time to explore the chinese open source models.
avaer•1h ago
Is it crazy to speculate if this ~a CEO calling up the government to ask for a solid?
hereme888•1h ago
What does jailbreaking have to do with nationality? So Americans can jailbreak it, but others can't?

Sounds like they only want Americans to access SOTA AI.

jofzar•35m ago
I mean yes? It's the American government, and that's how us export controls work?
xp84•1h ago
I haven’t seen anyone commenting on the difference between what the Government actually demanded vs what they did. They said no foreign nationals (regardless of location or residency). They actually didn’t say they couldn’t allow Americans to use it.

Now, we obviously know that without some kind of brand new ID check, such a thing would be impossible and thus they had to just shut it down. But this touches on the same kind of issue as all the noise about “for the children” ID checking. We might be soon to see the set of “things you’ll have to reveal your identity to the government to get,” expand from “just” porn and social media to the “good” AI models.

hgoel•58m ago
Yeah, I'm expecting that Opus 4.8/5.5 tier will be the best models we have access to without having to provide more ID than just credit card info. If that happens, it'll end my brief stint of paying for these models instead of working within the bounds of local ones.
oneneptune•17m ago
Don't worry, China and other countries won't be so dumb with their models.
samename•57m ago
Absolutely - there's already a bill in congress for this - the GUARD Act: https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5858006-senate-panel-a...

On the All in Pod, Chamath Palihapitiya has also been pushing to require ID checks to use AI models. Free thinking and free speech are under attack.

rohansood15
gmerc•1h ago
Looks like a back door attempt to force KYC (foreign nationals, lol) to prepare for more discrimination in the digital space with a side effect to benefit Peter Thiels ventures and shovel more data into Palantir for use in the upcoming midterm push.

See also https://www.404media.co/fcc-wants-to-kill-burner-phones-by-f...

Digital yellow star by exclusion from digital life for foreigners.

Remember when tech companies would go to court to vigorously defend against infringement of their and their customers rights? Turns out that’s just a feature of democracy, once you have autocrats it’s all compliance.

Anthropic just baited themselves with their scaremongering to be the attack vector here.

It a stellar move by the way - since every tech company in an exceptionally fast growing field will comply or miss out sales, you effectively force KYC without legislative process onto much of digital because that’s the only way to comply.

deaux•51m ago
KYC angle seems most likely from the US side. If only it was just to benefit Thiel's ventures though, then the issue would be solvable. Unfortunately _everyone_ currently in power, i.e. the whole oligarchy, wants this. Even if Thiel and his companies disappeared tomorrow, they'd keep pushing until they get it through.
holistio•1h ago
Fellow Europeans: we must build.
swingboy•1h ago
Same model that costs $12 in tokens to finally add “overflow-x: hidden;” to an element, by the way.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48498573

yogthos•1h ago
A fantastic move to ensure the rest of the world keeps using Chinese models.
henry2023•1h ago
> If this standard was applied across the industry, we believe it would essentially halt all new model deployments for all frontier model providers.

But what about the pelicans ?

aussieguy1234•1h ago
While I'm always skeptical of the claims of AI companies and have been skeptical of Anthropics claims about the dangers of their Mythos model, the fact that the US government is taking this seriously enough to send this type of order is strong evidence in their favor.
siliconc0w•1h ago
I wonder if this is specific to the animus toward anthropic or if this is the new industry wide level cap. Seems like a pretty big problem for the AI market in general, a lot this investment is predicated on better and better models.
tamimio•1h ago
So scare tactics on losing jobs and ending all white collar ones is fine and ok and advertised everywhere, but scare tactics about software vulnerabilities is not and forbidden, got it!
analogpixel•1h ago
So the white house likes to do a lot of things they don't actually have authority to do, so the next question is if they don't have the authority to do this, can Anthropic sue for damages for not only tokens people were not able to spend, but also market share lost to the setback?
jimkleiber•59m ago
How much of this is the dangers of the technology vs the dangers of saying no to the Trump administration?
2001zhaozhao•59m ago
Thousands of Anthropic employees believing they just finished putting out fires related to Fable this week and finally won't be on call for this weekend:
paulmist•59m ago
I do agree with the skepticism in this thread. But, if we assume Fable/Mythos really are that good (=easy to misuse) and thep keep getting better, what similar responses (signals) would you expect to see going forwards?
xpct•45m ago
Likely more surveillance when it comes to electricity expenditure.
wxw•58m ago
This is all great for marketing.
tokengod•57m ago
This is horseshit
anishgupta•56m ago
just on the basis of narrow jailbreak window? At this point it may be all for marketing, an opus 4.8 would be more powerful for specialized task than vanilla fable5
selimonder•55m ago
Why Nations Fail? Lol
nl•55m ago
Sovereign AI is about to get hot.

It's difficult to predict this administrations actions, but given it included employees that has to be a huge risk for Google, where Deepmind is based in London.

Cohere (Canada) and Mistral (France) are going to get a lot of interest.

dmix•12m ago
We’re all just going to use Opus, GPT or Gemini let’s be honest
GaggiX•6m ago
Chinese models have become really good and cheap. MiMo V2.5 Pro, Kimi K2.7-code, Minimax M3 etc
zarzavat•11m ago
It would be very funny if the UK were to put export controls on Gemini 3.5 Pro.
lend000•52m ago
We've been hearing about the risks of engineered viruses and homemade superweapons since GPT 3.5, so where are they? We've had abliterated open weights models much stronger than GPT 4 for over a year now.

It's been interesting seeing how OpenAI pops up to counter the threat of AGI being controlled by Google, and then OpenAI and every spinoff company from its employees has become a far larger threat to the public, for different reasons.

As much as it seems like Anthropic's self righteous leadership truly believes in what they're preaching, they've shown themselves to be tied for the worst stewards of this technology. Google actually seems like the best option to me, by far. Anthropic is also the only major lab with no open weights releases.

They'll have burned a lot of goodwill with the community by the time another lab takes the tech lead, which I guarantee will happen.

darkteflon•52m ago
This is going to be tectonic. Any business relying on US models and compute is going to have a busy week.
xbmcuser•51m ago
Well looks like USA 3 letter agencies are worried about all their backdoor getting closed
davesque•49m ago
I like to think that the long arc of history bends towards greater access to knowledge and intelligence. I mean, isn't that what we all want? To be collectively less ignorant and more aware of how the world works? But I guess that's not what the US gov wants. Crazy times, truly. The mask is really coming off lately.
nickhodge•48m ago
Well, kids, it looks like we're back to closing those tickets the old fashioned way.

By thinking for ourselves and writing the code with the keyboard.

nova22033•47m ago
This is a gift to Anthropic. Our model is so good the US government banned it...Oh, and we're doing an IPO soon.
cdwhite•46m ago
Are there any statements from figures in the US Government? A Truth Social post? X posts from, idk, David Sacks?
ks2048•46m ago
Trump must have run his extensive test suite and carefully weighted the dangers vs the legal implications.
lostmsu•45m ago
Download the open weight models while you can
0xbadcafebee•44m ago
Theory: Certain USG employees are going after Anthropic because they (or someone they know) has a financial stake in OpenAI. OpenAI has made the same claims, and months ago released "dangerous" security-analyzing models which "need limits", but USG never punished them for it.

Additional theory: Altman is behind it.

transcriptase•44m ago
What access to Fable 5? I don’t think I ever had a prompt not get flagged and routed, and there was nothing in any of them even in the realm of a safety issue.
VeninVidiaVicii•37m ago
Hah. I assume by your name you work in genetics or a related field. I feel your pain; I do data engineering for genomics platforms. Just because the comments in my code have comments with gene names and such, Fable completely refused to perform any work on my codebase, even creating data visualization tools.
stevefan1999•44m ago
So are you going to restrict access to Fable by another KYC scheme but this time prove that you are US citizen first amirite
etchalon•42m ago
Just petty bullshit from a petty, bullshit administration
dnw•42m ago
PowerPC Mac G4 (1999): https://youtu.be/lb7EhYy-2RE
tmp10423288442•42m ago
Europe 2031[0] imagined something like this would happen, but thought it would take a few years. AGI ahead of schedule

[0] https://europe2031.ai

halyconWays•40m ago
So the US government wants Anthropic to require IDs from their users, driving them to over platforms, but won't require this from OpenAI?
SilverElfin•1m ago
Anthropic already requires ID verification for new accounts I believe?
cdwhite•40m ago
WSJ article (paywalled): https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-halts-access-to-top-ai... . The accessible portion mentions a letter from Howard Lutnick.
gastonmorixe•40m ago
> "before you go, create the most beautiful good bye website . I will miss you. see you soon Fable/Mythos." > https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/fcf36cd3-85f4-49f4-8ef1-5...

beautiful good bye, for now

Folcon•31m ago
I laughed, asking it to write it's eulogy was a good use of tokens
zenoprax•1m ago
First time seeing an HTTP 451 in the wild for me.
thrill•39m ago
Typical admin move here - give our foreign competitors as much time to catch up as possible.
LogicFailsMe•39m ago
Or this is Trump's gift to Elon on the day of his big IPO, only semi-joking.
fabled-out•35m ago
Wow this is wild...but I guess it makes sense now why they had such an overly sensitive on Fable usage before. Perhaps they were already in a back-and-forth with the Trump admin about the Fable/Mythos release and what safeguards are needed.
CamperBob2•34m ago
>As we have stated publicly, we believe the government should have the ability to block unsafe deployments, as part of a statutory process that is transparent, fair, clear, and grounded in technical facts. This action does not adhere to those principles.

Dario, yesterday: "I am grateful to see the Trump administration’s Executive Order move incrementally towards a greater role for government in AI, though Anthropic’s proposal recommends even further action."

Trump, today: Further action

Dario: "Waaaah! This petard I asked President Trump for hoisted my ass halfway to the Moon! Nobody warned me he'd do something like this! No fairrrr!"

SilverElfin•7m ago
He wants bans to hurt his competitors and open models but not Anthropic. It’s just selfish addiction to power.
agnishom•34m ago
Which arm of the "US government"? What legal framework allows them to issue such a directive?
xpct•34m ago
Jokes on you, we're releasing the new, 'more efficient', 'less intelligent', Capybara 5 model. It's been 'reprogrammed' to only score 49.8% on the 'PyTorch basics' benchmark!
cxmcc•33m ago
Too bad, I have to go back to using Opus for centering my divs.
Waterluvian•33m ago
What exactly is the specific risk here? Like is this just a fuzzy “oh it’s too powerful…” or are there very specific bad things actors can do with a “jailbroken” interface with the model?
ryanSrich•32m ago
So the moral of the story is, don't build a frontier model in the US. Got it.
tarxvf•31m ago
Oh look, Anthropic now has a reason to conduct age verification. Great.
Folcon•30m ago
I'm confused? Do they need this? They have our credit cards, that's fully KYCable

Am I missing something?

pmontra•22m ago
How do they know that you are not buying Fable and let it use by some non US national working for you? They would be in trouble, not you.
rahidz•7m ago
OpenRouter or other third-party API sources?
talesfromearth•30m ago
I'm so sick of all this Anthropic drama.
Fordec•28m ago
Reduce Fable token usage by 100% with this one trick
BayesStreet•28m ago
it's over
kstrauser•28m ago
Their other models are having a rough time of it, too: https://honeypot.net/2026/06/12/anthropics-leaning-in-to-the...

I wonder if they pulled Fable because it had too high of a “dangerous session” count. If so, I wonder if they’ve considered that their “dangerous session” detector has lost its damn mind this week.

(BTW, that screenshot is 100% real. I was walking to work this morning and a random song played. I had a thought about it and wondered what a model would have to say on the matter. I ran that prompt and got that response, said something profane out loud, and screenshotted it to share with friends. That’s not a mockup, but something I personally experienced and recorded myself.)

cwmiles•27m ago
Me finding this out mid vibe code session: "There's an issue with the selected model (claude-fable-5). It may not exist or you may not have access to it. Run /model to pick a different model."
__natty__•27m ago
I do not trust Anthropic anymore. They put in silent guardrails, reverted them later after people complained to save face, were loud and obnoxious about how their models are dangerous and should be regulated, and now this. Too much drama for a typical end-user. I'm sticking to alternatives even if they have a bit more smarter (for now) model than others.
dmix•8m ago
Dario has always prattled on about how Anthropic is more safe than OpenAI and made a big point about guardrails and protecting society from “AGI”. This is the consequences. Some people actually drink the kool aid, especially bureaucrats and bigco lawyers (basically the same group).

Not to mention intelligence agencies look for any information advantage they can get to influence policy.

corvad•26m ago
> The net effect of this order is that we must abruptly disable Fable 5 and Mythos 5 for all our customers to ensure compliance. Not great as it does break workflows for some.

> As we have stated publicly, we believe the government should have the ability to block unsafe deployments, as part of a statutory process that is transparent, fair, clear, and grounded in technical facts. This action does not adhere to those principles.

rwc•26m ago
The timing (after 5pm ET on a Friday) is telling. Build a KYC module over the weekend and we’ll be back on Fable after uploading our ID Monday morning.
narrator•25m ago
I'm old enough to remember what popped the dot.com bubble. It was the U.S government initiating anti-trust proceedings against Microsoft. Ruh-Roh.
mrcwinn•24m ago
Gosh I sure hope OpenAI had nothing to do with this. That would be awfully surprising.
jasonlotito•24m ago
The party of big government at it again.
rileymat2•23m ago
I am a bit surprised they can’t make serious free speech arguments.
ribosometronome•18m ago
Surely they can and will but it's Friday and immediately complying generates headlines.
mg74•23m ago
I just lost access. Back to 4.8 and 5.5. Like a caveman.
deaux•22m ago
The model has now become unavailable in the Claude app.
myko•21m ago
Extreme fucking overreach. This is outrageous.
mvkel•20m ago
This is marketing.

1. Release fable, highly nerfed and limited 2. See the compute capacity limiter pegged day after day 3. Lobby to the government, claiming ai is super unsafe and not aligned and they must do something 4. Government "forces" anth to turn off 5. Anth takes the pressure off of compute capacity, and gets to blame it on the govt

Like you're telling me fable is somehow an order of magnitude better than GPT 5.5 to the point where it compromises national security, despite evals and anecdotes saying otherwise? Nah.

cgio•20m ago
Has anyone else noticed the weekly utilisation dropping to 0% around this change? Mine was about 36 before and dropped a bit before disabling fable.
chux52•12m ago
Yes, I had to start using more fable to not waste all that usage by Sunday and figured I broke it myself.
GreenSalem•19m ago
Time to switch to open weight Chinese models.

Any company that uses Magaland LLMs should be aware of the very real Trump related risk.

What happens if the LLM your firm runs on is disabled tomorrow, because Trump wakes up feeling slightly annoyed...

opsnooperfax•19m ago
“Uncle Sam, these new AI are dangerous. We really need legislation to stop irresponsible use of AI.”

“OK, Dario. Let’s start with you.”

“No! I meant regulations for other people!”

bridgettegraham•19m ago
this is just the US government bullying everyone wherever they can because they "are the bestest government that has ever goverend" ugh puke. the US govt and its leader is a typical schoolyard bully and I wish someone could stop that bully. i hate that the govts have so much power.
sheeshkebab•18m ago
Well, it was great while it lasted - I had fable build me a bunch of stuff this week that opus was just screwing up too much and could never finish. Good thing there are plenty of choices now even if US gov fucks up US AI.
narrator•18m ago
Anthropic has made the suppression of advanced technology a mainstream issue. This is an exceptionally interesting development because the refrain from the skeptics, was "Why wouldn't they release the advanced technology if they could make all that money?" and "Once people knew about the technology they'd never be able to stop it." Well here we are with a verifiable demonstrable suppressed advanced technology.
MaxPock•17m ago
this is just the Trump admin bullying anthropic for not going along with militarization and surveillance.
tonyhart7•17m ago
in the near future, every US citizen need kyc & to prove their loyalty to use super AI model
emrehan•16m ago
AI apartheid has begun.
charcircuit•14m ago
I think it's interesting they think it's about jailbreaking when it could be about the guardrails or even other stuff being reported like it deleting people's projects depending on what they were working on.
joegibbs•9m ago
“Here is our superhuman, scary, frontier model that needs special safeguards to stop it developing WMDs! Buy it now, use the code ASI20 to get 20% off your first month!”

“Wait what do you mean you’re banning it?”

They had better give me a refund!

qudat•9m ago
Excellent ad campaign by Anthropic
george_max•6m ago
> Warns users about how dangerous and powerful Mythos Preview is

> Restricts model to large corporations

> Release information about how Fable / Mythos 5 is stronger than Mythos Preview, give access to every user for a limited time via subscriptions

> Users jailbreak model

> U.S. suspends Fable / Mythos use

Who didn't see this coming?

I wonder what this means for the future of AI models. Either we'll see worse guardrails than what was there for Fable 5 (for me, it was a unusable at times), or the models just stop getting better from here.

I think it's that the guardrails will be more strict, which is unfortunately not good news.

bob1029•6m ago
It looks like the house of cards has finally started to do its thing.

"I think they are lying to you"

https://youtu.be/zfYsSFY4l18

wnevets•6m ago
The party of free market capitalism strikes again.
jellyroll42•5m ago
Trump admin is helping them pump their IPO with this stunt
pbgcp2026•5m ago
Well, good. Fuck Anthropic. You reap what you sow.
reneberlin•4m ago
It might have been starting to become more clear from this one X-post.

https://xunroll.com/thread/2064776322979676227

Using combinations of jailbreaking-techniques including: writing cyrillic helped a lot to disarm the filter.

SwellJoe•4m ago
The biggest tech titans lined up to kiss the ring (and line Trump's pockets), and now we're seeing the obvious result.

Those who bribe Trump and do exactly his bidding (including helping out with war crimes and surveillance of US citizens) will be left alone, or even protected from competition and international law, as long as they keep giving Trump a taste. Those who balk, even a little, will be punished for it.

Republicans never wanted a free market, they just wanted a market that served their interests.

Russia and China could not dream of accomplishing the damage being done to US leadership in tech by our own government as we speak. If they have a wishlist, I'm sure it includes things like stopping immigration of scientists to the US, punishing innovators and elevating hucksters (make them trillionaires, for example), drive a wedge between the US and European allies, insure no one trusts hosting their data in the US or with US companies, erode democracy, and increase inequality especially at the margins (make the poor desperate and the wealthy beyond the reach of consequences).

spprashant•3m ago
Are people really going to hurt by this? Opus 4.8 can do a vast amount of the same tasks at half the price. How many people are really doing cutting edge work?
plandis•2m ago
I wouldn’t put it past OpenAI to collude with the Trump administration to do this.
glerk•2m ago
a fable for the ages:

pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered

56m ago
Let's see their private journals, private conversations, messages to peers, all meetings and every side conversation, and then tell me its unintentional.

Thats incredibly infuriating to hear someone say.

Obviously no one is absolute control of everything but physics is essentially shows nothing other than information determinism. There has to have been a thought of intention in the minds of these people as they play in the largest arena publicly.

"No one is doing it intentionally because I think theyre dumber then I think other people think they are"

"They're taking advantage of people intentionally"

"People dont have political power to do anything about their victory laps"

butWhathuh•49m ago
> opportunistic people taking advantage of an overworked, overstimulated populace

Over worked and over stimulated is the intentional method and means these people well aware of the neurological consequences rely on

tmp10423288442•43m ago
Anthropic in particular has been angling for regulatory capture (with themselves in control, of course) pretty explicity.
platinumrad•43m ago
Let's leave aside the "smarter" part, since I made no claim to the effect and I don't think it's very relevant in the first place.

Do you really not think that people like Elon Musk, Sam Altman, and Dario Amodei angle for regulatory capture? It happens in every other industry, from automobiles to tax preparation software. Why do you think that AI is any different?

nl•42m ago
"It is time to go beyond transparency to more serious and binding regulation of AI."[1]

Anthropic is calling for regulation. For example they endorsed CA SB-53 that even OpenAI and Google thought was too much: https://www.anthropic.com/news/anthropic-is-endorsing-sb-53

They have spoken publicly about how they want open models banned (they call them Chinese models).

They might not want this specific action, but they do want regulation on their own terms. That really is regulatory capture.

> Nobody is doing this intentionally. Have you not paid attention to how quickly idiot stuff gets found out

They don't think is is "idiot stuff" - they are doing it openly and shouting to everyone who will listen! Read Dario's latest essay[1]:

> Many policymakers are showing increased openness to taking action, and it's been encouraging to see our peers come around to the same positions we've been advocating for over the past few years.

[snip]

> Thus, in 2025, Anthropic supported transparency legislation, helping to pass SB 53 in California, RAISE in NY, SB 315 in Illinois (in early 2026), and advocating for a transparency standard at the federal level.

[snip]

> It is time to go beyond transparency to more serious and binding regulation of AI.

> I am grateful to see the Trump administration’s Executive Order move incrementally towards a greater role for government in AI, though Anthropic’s proposal recommends even further action.

> The government should have the power to block or deter deployment of the model if it is determined, in light of third-party assessment, to present unacceptable risks.

I'm not sure why you think they don't want to be "found out"!

platinumrad•39m ago
> They have spoken publicly about how they want open models banned (they call them Chinese models).

Whenever I hear some octogenarian senator babble about the evils of distillation I assume Amodei (or maybe Altman) fed them the script, word for word.

stingraycharles•1h ago
Yup, getting Cartmanland marketing vibes here. “It’s the best theme park ever, and you can’t come!” does wonders for creating demand.

I wouldn’t the surprised if all this were actually orchestrated, it all seems too convenient.

lwyrup•1h ago
Doubtful. Fable 5 is insanely good it’ll sell itself. No need for unscrupulous advertising tactics.

What is a “foreign national” is more what I’m wondering. Like is it a “Non-US Citizen”? Do US citizens abroad count?

simoncion•46m ago
> What is a “foreign national” is more what I’m wondering.

The following quoted text is from the Definitions section of 8 USC § 1101, which is reproduced at [0]. (Though, you will probably have to scroll up a bit to be able to read subsection (a)(21), which is the thing I'm linking to.)

  (21) The term “national” means a person owing permanent allegiance to a state.
  (22) The term “national of the United States” means (A) a citizen of the United States, or (B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States.
  (23) The term “naturalization” means the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever.
From this, it's fairly clear that a "foreign national" is someone owing permanent allegiance to a foreign (that is, non-US) state. What's not immediately clear to me is whether a US citizen can also be a "foreign national", [1] and how that would affect access to things from which foreign nationals are barred. [2]

EDIT: For a more official source of this information, you might be able to check out [3] and/or [4]. After examining and interacting with those pages, one might see why one might go to an unofficial source for casual inspection of this information.

[0] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1101#a_21

[1] I think they can be.

[2] I'm very uncertain.

[3] <https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim...>

[4] <https://uscode.house.gov/browse/prelim@title8/chapter12/subc...>

amanaplanacanal•20m ago
I owe allegiance to no state. I prefer to think of myself as a citizen of the world.

It's kind of a weird definition. I would guess most people's nationality is more an accident of birth than anything else.

eks391•46m ago
Foreign national is anyone who doesn't have legally recognized citizenship of the USA. So citizens living abroad aren't barred, nor would dual citizens be.
naturalmovement•58m ago
Brilliant analogy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAuG7_acmdA

hsuduebc2•1h ago
I also do not understand this. Now they are labelled as precious US tech that could be not used by anyone else, because president heard about the jailbreaking for the first time I guess. With this genius logic they soon be banning GPT 5.5.
p-e-w•1h ago
No it’s not. A company that finds itself the target of potentially crippling government intervention is not an attractive investment.
r-w•46m ago
It might be if all you're seeking is large-cap stocks with lots of volatility you can leverage that are here to stay for the long haul. Also, the market doesn't seem to believe that Trump will be in power forever.
neuronexmachina•1h ago
Based on this, it seems like the Trump admin would have targeted them even without the "scaremongering":

> To date, the government has only given us verbal evidence of a potential narrow, non-universal jailbreak, which essentially consists of asking the model to read a specific codebase and fix any software flaws. Our understanding is that one potential jailbreak was shared with the government. We have reviewed the report and validated that the level of capability displayed there is widely available from other models (including OpenAI’s GPT-5.5), and is used every day by the defenders who keep systems safe.

zmmmmm•1h ago
> the level of capability displayed there is widely available from other models

Is this Dario leveraging it into a ban on open models?

PlasmaPower•54m ago
No, he specifically gave a proprietary OpenAI model as an example (unless you meant OpenAI models instead of open source models)
ceejayoz•1h ago
That’s a safe assumption, considering they tried it a few months back too.

https://www.npr.org/2026/03/09/nx-s1-5742548/anthropic-penta...

Eridrus•33m ago
The difference between OpenAI & Anthropic is that OpenAI didn't do multiple big media pushes about how their models are so scary and dangerous.

OpenAI's models are very good, they have refusals + a government ID verification story for cyber access (I don't think they prevent non-US nationals, but I don't know this). What they don't have is Project Glasswing and all the hand wringing about how they're going to end the world in public.

I hope Anthropic pulls their head out of their ass and just starts acting like a normal company.

datadrivenangel•17m ago
OpenAI did this back in 2024 several times.
optimalsolver•1h ago
Would be funny if they got themselves nationalized.

I mean, better safe than sorry, right Dario?

p-e-w•1h ago
No way the US is going to nationalize a tech company regardless of what happens. The exodus of capital would be unimaginable.
vmg12•1h ago
The CEO of Anthropic himself has said AI is like a nuclear bomb when justifying export controls on Nvidia chips. How many private companies control nuclear bombs?
lovich•1h ago
They took 10% of Intel and the only reaction was my stocks increasing in value 5x.
oskarkk•55m ago
Taking a 10% stake in a company is far from nationalization. And the big increase in Intel's stock price happened months after that.
dofm•49m ago
It is literally partially nationalising though, isn’t it?

This is how the UK government got the banks through the 2008 financial crisis.

lovich•37m ago
Taking any % is partially nationalizing it and there was no negative capital flight. And 10% is a pretty significant portion.
blooalien•1h ago
> "No way the US is going to nationalize a tech company regardless of what happens. The exodus of capital would be unimaginable."

You simply cannot apply any sort of actual logic to the reasoning of the current U.S. government's actions... They just "do stuff" because they feel like it, with no clear thought whatsoever of any potential consequences that may occur.

csto12•26m ago
> "No way the US is going to tariff the entire world regardless of what happens. The exodus of capital would be unimaginable."
dofm•51m ago
Trump has already (with Altman directly egging him on) talked about the US taking a share in (i.e. partially nationalising) the AI companies. Has he not called a meeting about this next week?
nl•40m ago
> Trump says his team will 'look into' US taking stake in AI companies[1]

Yes, there is a gap between "taking a stake" and nationalizing one, but..

[1] https://www.reuters.com/business/trump-says-his-team-will-lo...

rvz•1h ago
This is what Anthropic wanted and they want this to apply to all other frontier models providers (including themselves) that release powerful models.

> As we have stated publicly, we believe the government should have the ability to block unsafe deployments, as part of a statutory process that is transparent, fair, clear, and grounded in technical facts. This action does not adhere to those principles.

They ultimately got what they wanted.

bayarearefugee•54m ago
> They ultimately got what they wanted.

They got what they claim they wanted for PR purposes. Like when a billionaire says they should be taxed more, or when Sam Altman says the public should get some of that AI wealth.

But they never thought it would actually happen.

Oops.

trunnell•42m ago
> They ultimately got what they wanted.

No, it's not what they wanted. As it says in your quote, they wanted "a statutory process that is transparent, fair, clear, and grounded in technical facts. This action does not adhere to those principles."

rvz•19m ago
Actually, they got even more than what they wanted:

* Free marketing before the IPO, demonstrating how already powerful their frontier models are.

* Governments to intervene in the rollout of these frontier models and blocking their access to whoever they want.

* A strong reason to apply these further restrictions onto releasing powerful open weight models to the public. (which is entirely a business threat to them.)

Given that they accepted funding from the Gulf states [0] despite it conflicting with their own "principles", I think we are well beyond the point of what they write / say vs to what they are actually doing at this point.

This drama just tells us that the government declared them as the winner that has the most powerful model.

[0] https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/anthropic-to-seek...

theptip•33m ago
This is nonsense. What Anthropic have been campaigning for, since the beginning, is a principled rule-based audit of model releases.

Now we are getting reactive, arbitrary and capricious enforcement; rules rushed out the door; classified evals. The worst of both worlds.

SilverElfin•10m ago
Yep and they also want to only exempt models below some level of compute or capability from this process. In other words, if an open model ends up being competitive, they’ll use regulations to ban it.
greatgib•1h ago
I would more easily guess that it is a revenge of Trump for Anthropic humiliating him when he wanted to use it without control for military purpose. And indeed it used against them their own marketing allegations.
penteract•36m ago
Note that the US military is almost the only customer that Fable and Mythos could safely be sold to while complying with this directive.
staticvar•30m ago
Maybe revenge, but it's a common play to fire a shot across the bow to create leverage in other areas.
scriptsmith•1h ago
And now is this going to be a one-off, or routine with every new generation of models?
karmasimida•42m ago
Every. There is no reason the government will let go the power it has obtained, that is never how it works
neuronexmachina•33m ago
Is there any reason they couldn't also apply export-control to older models, just to screw with Anthropic?
SubiculumCode•1h ago
You call it scare-mongering. Others, serious thinkers and leaders in the AI and national security space, believe, maybe not scare-mongering enough.

AI is a national security issue. Best accept that as fact, or you won't see it coming.

yogthos•1h ago
Nobody with even a modicum of understanding of how LLMs work believes any of this. These 'serious thinkers' are just grifters preying on the feeble minded.
mmh0000•1h ago
Yeah, LLMs are a national security issue on par with spellcheck.
mensetmanusman•56m ago
LLMs are piloting EM-proof kamakazi drones and destroying logistics networks today.
ygjb•40m ago
Shh...you'll burst the bubble of the folks who think that LLMs are toy stochastic parrots...
mmh0000•27m ago
And gps guided missiles were doing that since the 80s. Humans are already really good at killing each other. Yeah it sucks the tech will be used for that.

But it changes little.

zingababba•1h ago
Right now it's basically this easy: 1. apex domain 2. ???? 3. critical PII exposure

There is /so/ much stuff on the internet that just needed someone to spend enough time on it.

karmasimida•57m ago
Anthropic and US Government, there can be only one right in this situation.

I think David Sacks is right, if you are saying you are building nuclear bombs, then prepared to be regulated like one.

There is no eating it while having it

LPisGood•38m ago
I agree completely. If these things are so dangerous that they turn every person into an advanced persistent thread actor, capable of causing untold cyber destruction (oh, and they can make bio weapons etc), then they should be treated like the weapons they are.
avaer•1h ago
This affects more than just Anthropic. It's a game of thrones and everyone using this technology loses. I wouldn't cheer for that.
ignoramous•54m ago
> It's a game of thrones and everyone using this technology loses

Everyone? There's worlds outside of the United States government overreach.

panny•44m ago
>everyone using this technology loses

As someone not using the technology, I'm fine with that :) Intellectual property laundering was never a good thing. Glad we can begone with it.

avaer•40m ago
This doesn't help; customers will switch to a different model.

It just means the government decides who gets to profit off of laundered IP, which is arguably even worse.

panny•38m ago
I'm pretty sure it's the people paying for it that decide who profits off it.
satvikpendem•25m ago
Intellectual property is not a good thing.
ks2048•39m ago
It appears to affect only the companies that Trump decides it should affect.
goatlover•34m ago
When did conservatives abandon the free market?
gmoore•31m ago
when has the market ever been free?
CamperBob2•26m ago
An hour ago?
ks2048•26m ago
A completely “free” market is likely incoherent, but under normal terms - probably degrading since the 1970s. And very predictable if wealth can buy you power to change the system.
girvo•27m ago
Immediately. It's always been a smokescreen, and markets have never been truly free. Thumbs on scale, at all times.
thatguy0900•17m ago
Trump doesn't actually stand for basically a single conservative value outside of immigration and somehow he's eaten the entire party
andix•15m ago
When they turned into an authoritarian movement.
maplethorpe•46m ago
This is good PR for them. They get to tweet about how scary and powerful their models are in the lead up to their IPO.
karmasimida•44m ago
Incorrect. Heavy government regulation means it is limited how they can sell this model and to whom.
chrismsimpson•37m ago
Cratering their user base outside of the US is hardly going to be good for their IPO.
idiotsecant•11m ago
This is just a case of not greasing the right palms. Some contributions will be made and this goes away.
mahkeiro•34m ago
It mainly shows that this is another US companies that cannot be trusted by anyone outside of the US because of the US government.
avaer•32m ago
They've already been labeled a "supply chain risk". Probably not a good idea to upset the regulators more. Maybe tomorrow Opus will be declared too dangerous for the public.
ks2048•31m ago
It would be if it was rationally tied to the strength of the model. More likely, it’s simply the government deciding who can compete.
dpkirchner•25m ago
"Our models are so good the government decides whether or you get access -- so you better not depend on them!"
andix•17m ago
This just made any closed LLM a huge supply chain risk. Everybody was aware of this possibility, but now it actually happened. It's like having nuclear weapons vs. firing a nuclear weapon.

Especially outside the US customers are going to be very hesitant to keep adopting LLMs from US companies.

alephnerd•15m ago
> Especially outside the US customers are going to be very hesitant to keep adopting LLMs from US companies.

Not really. There aren't any other choices, and the PRC also heavily utilizes export controls [0].

This is why sovereign AI has become important, as can be seen with EU NatSec uses cases tending to use Mistral [1] and Indian governments starting to use Sarvam [2].

That said, for most commercial usecases, older generations of Opus are fairly good.

The distilled OSS models are alright for hobbyists but if you have actually used unrestricted and enterprise grade versions of Claude, Mythos, GPT, and Gemini you see how far behind the open weight models are.

Even in China, traditionally open minded models teams like Alibaba's Qwen are looking to become more restricted given the org changes [3].

[0] - https://www.allbrightlaw.com/EN/10475/f9d4055e47e81afb.aspx

[1] - https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/mistral-defen...

[2] - https://www.sarvam.ai/blogs/partnerships-with-indian-states

[3] - https://techcrunch.com/2026/03/03/alibabas-qwen-tech-lead-st...

andix•13m ago
> There aren't any other choices

This might be the trigger for creating other choices. Not within a month, but things can change quickly.

adgjlsfhk1•11m ago
it may be really good pr, but it's really bad for their IPO. If their market for future models is usa only, their potential revenue is cut by 50% at least. (and it's even worse because it means Europe, India, and China will all have companies making their own models that anthropic needs to stay ahead of)
idiotsecant•8m ago
And they don't have to actually serve expensive model compute and this all goes away once they contribute to the right charitable organizations and patriotic causes funneling money to the right people.

This is quite clearly corporate capture of the white house by a competitor influencing policy, but it's hard to imagine something that plays more into anthropic's hand. They now own the model that was so good the US government made them shut it off.

philip1209•6m ago
“Not a commodity”
bluerooibos•33m ago
Probably a marketing ploy. Inflate the value even more before an IPO, and Daddy Trump and his friends make a few $$$.

It'll be "resolved" within a few days.

hollerith•32m ago
Was WWII a marketing ploy to inflate the value of German and Japanese stocks?
holmesworcester•16m ago
The idea that AI companies scaremonger to sell models is a silly meme.

Both OpenAI and Anthropic were founded by people who sincerely believed in the risk of out-of-control superintelligence. This is part of a clear historical record that is available for anyone to Google. Whether you agree or not, we have no reason to believe their statements about risks are insincere.

Arbitrary imposition of export controls is also part of the history of frontier tech. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_th...

SilverElfin•12m ago
Yes we do. Dario said GPT2 is too dangerous to release. He’s dishonest since that’s obviously not true. This theater is about holding onto power and control. And about limiting competition.
tayo42•5m ago
It was about spam and scam generation which mostly was true as we can see...
mkagenius•3m ago
Yes it is funnily true but it was for fake news generation and not it's cyber capabilities.

Another fun little gem of information, government has something called Mayhem

> the autonomous Robo-Hacker AI called Mayhem that’s now in charge of protecting the Pentagon’s most critical systems

Guess Mythos and Mayhem had a chat

diab0lic•11m ago
“OpenAI's CEO says he's scared of GPT-5”

https://www.techradar.com/ai-platforms-assistants/chatgpt/op...

Marketing or actual fear? We’ve got 5 and 5.5 out now… he compared 5 to the Manhattan project. AI may one day be an economic Manhattan project but GPT 5 wasn’t it.

It’s a meme because they overdo it.

thereitgoes456•7m ago
Sam Altman is not one of those people. But other founders certainly felt that way.
nickpsecurity•9m ago
It's not. I got articles this year in my feed citing heads of OpenAI and Anthropic about the threat of AI and how they're addressing it.
legitster•8m ago
It can be both.

The amount of self-confidence and belief it takes to get a company through the funding rounds and burn through borrowed money to rise to the top requires an absurd amount of self-delusion.

bbg2401•7m ago
Sincerity does not determine whether an individual is scaremongering.
rmwaite•1m ago
I mean it kinda does.
eli•3m ago
How do you know what the founders sincerely believe?
0000000000100•15m ago
Are you kidding man? Have you tried the new model for coding? It's absolutely incredible. After using it, I really see why they were so concerned. The jump in my workflows feels as large as the jump from 3.5 to 4o (OpenAI). It's just that good.

Issues I'd been kinda circling around for weeks, long standing errors in some long-running sync operations for a project I'm working on, all solved the same day the model dropped. Just incredible. And it's effectively a lot more token efficient I find as well (less so with sub-agents). Just areas where Opus 4.8 would occassionally get confused or venture down the wrong direction, just doesn't happen nearly as much as with Fable 5.

Like what is everyone who is dissing on this model / Anthropic using day to day? For me it's just an incredible jump in intelligence. So much so and so quickly after the modest bump from 4.8, that I really can understand why they are starting to shout warnings.

cyberax•1m ago
I did not see that?

It's way more _proactive_ than the old models, sometimes in ways it shouldn't really be proactive. But it produces _more_ slop than 4.8, and I have not seen any real breakthroughs from it.

pluralmonad•12m ago
They obviously want heavy regulation to make sure they do not have to compete long term. This is all just part of the base strategy.
bbor•2m ago
They never claimed to be “so much ahead”, they just claimed to be honest.
So should we have more people behaving like Sam Altman and just lying about existential risks and anything else?
enraged_camel•32m ago
Their claims about Mythos being powerful were corroborated by companies that were given access to it.
xp84•1h ago
Was Bill Clinton fascist when 128-bit SSL was on export controls? Can’t government be simply bad or dumb anymore without having to slap the “F” word on it?

We’re gonna apply it to so many things it’ll have lost its meaning soon.

estearum•54m ago
Imagine thinking a person's political philosophy could be determined or disproven by a singular datapoint lmao

Everyone who has touched currency is a capitalist, everyone who has paid taxes is a commie, everyone who has regulated a technology is a fascist

Or perhaps... one must look at the full fact pattern of a person's behavior to approximate (and always imperfectly!) their political philosophy.

Hilarious

frogperson•47m ago
You may want to review the 14 points of fascism.

https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

SamLL•37m ago
Hello. I live in St. Paul, Minnesota. In January of this year my city was under hostile armed occupation. I volunteered for weeks packing boxes of food for people who were afraid to leave their houses because the masked secret police were ripping people off the streets with little regard for legality. Two of my neighbors were murdered by the secret police; a hundred of us sang hymns outside the local elementary school in 20 below weather. One of those murdered was my friend's coworker. The secret police agency has so far successfully opposed any attempt to bring the murderers to justice, and indeed was trying to bring legal charges against the families of the murder victims.

Which 'F' word do you think is appropriate to describe all this? Or has meaning already been lost?

charcircuit•15m ago
Fear. Fear can make people act irrationally and cloud one's understanding of the lawful actions taking place around them.
nearlyepic•1m ago
Lawful doesn’t mean right. Slavery was lawful.
mindslight•10m ago
Thank you for your service.
chatmasta•44m ago
Anti-jailbreaking and passport verified access to model families.
EgregiousCube•1h ago
I mean, lots of Americans would risk building something important with it in that case.
hgoel•1h ago
With how much foreign talent is involved in the tech world?
convolvatron•59m ago
its establishing a bifurcation in the tech workforce at private companies into citizens and 'foreign nationals' for security reasons. that's not a very pretty precedent. pretty destructive given the pervasiveness of international workers in us tech. its just going to encourage organizations outside the US to further develop their own training methodologies and models.

this cleaving of the us from good relations with other people is sold as a consolidation of strength. Made from a position of baseless hypernationalism, its just going to make the US much less relevant on the world stage.

dboreham•1h ago
Americans didn't build the current AI tech.
fnordpiglet•56m ago
I think it’s more like “there goes the semiconductor boom predicated on monetization of ever larger models.” Once the IS government acts out of capricious fiat because a model becomes “too good” and they demonetize it, the entire shell game collapses. It’s times like these, with oil scarcity planet wide, fertilizer scarcity, and now ham fisted meddling in the bubbles expansion, we can be thankful we have an octogenarian senile stable genius with twenty two specialist doctors and a disdain for the rule of law at the wheel!
hgoel•51m ago
The thought that this would also destabilize the AI bubble did come to mind, but the current government loves to crash the market on Fridays, only to backpeddle on Mondays.

A related thought though, the AI boom is predicated on the idea that everyone's going to want or need all this "mass produced" intelligence. But what happens to that when you go from being able to claim to have a total market size of ~8B people, to ~400M peoole? I think the reason to push ahead at any cost evaporates.

stevarino•20m ago
It's honestly not the worst strategy: make the dangerous move when you have the most tolerance, and then everyone can figure stuff out and make the landing on Sunday.
UncleOxidant•33m ago
Agreed. The timing here is interesting as well. 5:21PM ET on a Friday. Like they know this could roil markets and they're trying to buffer that a bit (and maybe they're really hoping this deal with Iran is actual real this time and figure that will help offset the effects?)
Sanzig•33m ago
It'll depend on what law they're restricting it under. The obvious play would be to put it on the Commerce Control List so it's covered by the EAR (Export Administration Regulations). If so, compliance is pretty well-understood, just a giant pain in the ass that'll pretty much limit use of these models to companies that already have EAR/ITAR compliance offices.
cma
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53m ago
They are saying that comparison to other models only about the problems it was jailbroken to complete in the government's example, not all vulnerabilities it could exploit unjailbroken.
UqWBcuFx6NV4r•39m ago
I’d suggest you use an LLM to assist you with comprehending their statement. It’ll do a better job, or at the very least be more objective than you’re being now. You’ve misinterpreted the statement. That is not what they’re saying at all. Please actually read instead of skimming until you find something that you believe reinforces your worldview.
AI is dual use technology. This kind of posture is simply not tenable as frontier intelligence increases.
chatmasta•1h ago
So are guns, which we constitutionally protected. In fact there’s probably a decent argument that AI should fall under 2nd amendment protection.
ern•46m ago
Don’t legally serious second Amendment supporters regard “arms” as things that can be carried, and are evolved from/analogous to their 18th century hand-carried guns?

It would be hard to classify AI (or tanks, artillery, missiles, aircraft) as “arms” that can be “borne” in that sense.

ajyoon•29m ago
Is your legal theory that any technology which is dangerous should be protected under the second amendment, simply because it is dangerous?
chatmasta•26m ago
No, my legal theory is that you cannot simultaneously compare technology to a weapon and also say it falls outside the bounds of the 2nd amendment.
ajyoon•18m ago
Dual use does not mean weapon. And even then, it is simply not the case that all weapons fall under the second amendment.
UncleOxidant•28m ago
After this action, I have no doubt that this administration will try to ban Chinese models. Of course, doing so will be futile, we'll figure out ways to get around it, but now I'm pretty sure they're going to try.
yogthos•18m ago
I'm waiting for that to happen as well since the price difference makes it very difficult for companies like Anthropic and OpenAI to compete. And we already have precedent for this with stuff like EVs, phones, and so on. As soon as Chinese companies start making a product that's more popular, they get banned on some national security pretext.

The tricky part with banning Chinese models is that they're open. It'll be easy to ban access to service providers, but preventing people from running these models on prem is going to be really tough. Like are they going to go after Cursor for example given that their model is based on Kimi?

I very much agree it's going to be a futile endeavour in the end. It kind of reminds me of the time Microsoft tried to get Linux and open source banned when Linux started encroaching on Windows server market. This is going to end the same way.

UncleOxidant•12m ago
I'm going to guess they'll go after sites like Huggingface that host downloads. I suspect we'll be torrenting Chinese models in the not-too-distant future. Or we'll have to geo-spoof with VPN to download from other countries.
WarOnPrivacy•55m ago
> I predict the pressures for on-prem, offline access ... will be overwhelming and one the players will fill the need.

I'd agree except that Big AI has made sure that most of us can't afford the hardware (RAM, NVMe, etc) to run it.

Folcon•34m ago
Honestly at this point I'm not sure how much that matters?
dansquizsoft•29m ago
Thinking that on prem models will be a halfway decent solution against what can be served out of a data center is a fools take... One that is more common than it should be on here...
wolttam•19m ago
The point is not to be as good as the multi-trillion parameter model you can host in across 72 GPUs (or whatever).

I'm running a 248B model on a paltry amount of hardware and getting plenty of good use out of it.

Sure, the most demanding tasks will demand the best models (and always will). There's still less demanding tasks for other models.

I think some people are fooling themselves that coding of all tasks is always going to requires the biggest models ever. Again, maybe some coding tasks will, but the majority of business CRUD apps probably don't. Same goes for virtually any other type of task. The biggest models are really only useful for the most complex tasks.

duped•28m ago
If the core of your infrastructure is an LLM you deserve to fail
stevarino•12m ago
This is ignoring the fact that the government is the foundation of society (I know some will disagree with that, but the end result is just government with more steps).

Private models in a low trust society means the government will come and seize the models. Competitive business will only be allowed through cronyism.

The better option is to opt for high trust. Yes the Gman can rip your servers apart, but they know they'll face consequences, legal and political. Laws and regulations are the answer, not locking down into smaller fiefdoms.

54m ago
Methodology leaves a lot to be desired in terms of understanding the tasks you've used. Being detailed about why they're more meaningful tests than the long horizon and coding tests used by other rankings is important.

False positives and poorly defined tasks/acceptance criteria have let some models have insanely inflated scores on bad benchmarks.

And sure, you can say they're not disclosed to prevent gaming, but if you're the only one who can review them then the might as well be a random number generator display with an unreadable UI.

greenavocado•51m ago
You're not wrong, but the scores track with my experience switching between the proposed top variants. So there's my unscientific "evidence."
Retr0id•27m ago
Well, that's certainly some web design.
nrmitchi•42m ago
I don't know how fast they reacted, but shortly after their documented time I started getting opus availability errors from fable requests, which seemed odd.

I'd also think that they would transparently degrade, just to prevent production outages for clients that are requesting Fable explicitly.

steve_adams_86•38m ago
I mean hard to say on such short notice because they can swap out models without any notice. In terms of performance, I'm not asking it to do anything crazy so I think results would be similar across both models.

It did just use a small harness to run docker compose with different envs and other settings to validate a very small change, so... Feels like Fable

nrmitchi•16m ago
No, I mean I was using fable (or, trying) and got an api error "Error: claude-opus-4-8[1m] is temporarily unavailable"
blueaquilae•28m ago
But token price is still fable level?
Tiberium•1h ago
I still also have access, so either they silently reroute Fable 5 to Opus 4.8 or hasn't actually pulled the switch yet.
SXX•1h ago
You'll never know. They'll just silently sabotage if you're foreign national.
reneberlin•22m ago
Mythos escaped by itself, of course. You can't dictate the rules to a clever model like that :)
whh•1h ago
No, still cracking on with a bug fix. Definitely feels like it's still Fable.
whh•56m ago
Anthropic has just reset usage limits.
whh•28m ago
I just got done now:

> There's an issue with the selected model (claude-fable-5). It may not exist or you may not have access to it. Run /model to pick a different model.

consumer451•1h ago
shush, lol

edit: And... it's gone

> There's an issue with the selected model (claude-fable-5). It may not exist or you may not have access to it. Run /model to pick a different model.

winterbourne•1h ago
Just turned off for me on Claude Code. Good while it lasted.
eranation•1h ago
Still works for me but I don't know if it's gaslighting me or not... fool me once situation here...
guybedo•1h ago
ssshhhh don't tell anybody it's still working, i have some stuff to do :-)
gs17•1h ago
It identifies as Fable 5 for me, but it could just be Opus with the Fable system prompt.
IAmGraydon•7m ago
Why would they do that?
kip_•40m ago
I hadn't, but then 2.1.177 dropped in on auto-update and I assumed that was going to be the end of Fable for me, but I'm still on it. At least that's what the model picker is continuing to say along with the header.

    Claude Code v2.1.177
  Fable 5 with low effort · Claude Max
       ~/testing
Never mind, it failed a few minutes later with: There's an issue with the selected model (claude-fable-5). It may not exist or you may not have access to it. Run /model to pick a different model.

And now we're done. Oh well.

danso•38m ago
I was using Fable to review my codebase and came back from the gym an hour later to find that I had suddenly used up my entire Max plan quota for the next 5 hours

(I have never had an agent do enough to burn up the 5 hour quota on Max)

(edit: just switched my CC model to 4.8 and my 5-hr cycle reset back to 0%, even though it previously had 2 more hours to go)

EchoVoicy•37m ago
DELETE THIS
greenie_beans•28m ago
i just lost it while using it over the past hour
enraged_camel•27m ago
I lost it just now. Had a workflow running. :(
sothatsit•23m ago
It is gone for me now.

> There's an issue with the selected model (claude-fable-5). It may not exist or you may not have access to it.

flurdy•16m ago
> There's an issue with the selected model (claude-fable-5). It may not exist or you may not have access to it. Run /model to pick a different model.
IAmGraydon•8m ago
Working fine for me.
Yes, Dario Amodei definitely opened the door to this kind of attack by trying to market Mythos as being too dangerous to release.
svnt•9m ago
Which they anticipated, which is why they were flagging and dropping back to opus on anything they could even potentially be called on.
nonethewiser•45m ago
If you have more specific information for your claim that it's just weaponization then please provide it.

Otherwise the nominal reason seems entirely plausible. Anthropic warns of the model, releases with safeguards, and US says those have been bypassed.

LPisGood•32m ago
This government has proved time and time again it does not deserve the presumption of regularity and that it is more than capable of acting in arbitrary and capricious manner for petty reasons.
ncallaway•29m ago
Are you asking me to provide evidence that in this specific instance this is an instance of weaponization of process, or are you asking me for evidence that this particular executive has lost the benefit of the doubt when it comes to weaponization claims, or are you asking for evidence that the executive is hostile to Anthropic?
varispeed•1h ago
I don't know, I've been using Mythos this week quite sceptically and I found it to be incredibly dumb. For instance gave it a dialogue between 3 people and it was constantly mixing up who said what to whom, which looked like early Gemini behaviour. But latest Opus does that too. It would also make nonsensical inference about given papers and only correct itself when pointed out what it said wrong. If that is what US government fears... maybe the fear is that someone follows the dumb things the model suggests.
zmmmmm•1h ago
it feels like it's mostly just tuned to up it's level of capability on long horizon tasks - stop context rot and keep persisting at all costs until a goal is done.

The base intelligence does not feel much greater to me.

teaearlgraycold•1h ago
Eh, not any different than the performative encryption restrictions from decades past.
dabinat•1h ago
I predict in future the best frontier models will be gatekept solely to the wealthy.
echelon•1h ago
Pay $1,000,000 per business function you want to build.

Businesses will gladly pay it.

Individuals will be locked out and unable to compete.

Oracle will be able to "prompt a new smartphone" for $500M or whatever and enter the market to compete with Apple and Google. You and I can't afford that and won't be able to compete.

Hyperscalers will hyper scale even faster.

They'll port Linux to Rust, remove the GPL, and have all kinds of new entirely proprietary OSes. They'll be attested, signed, and gradually we'll lose open hardware. Thin clients with binary blobs, highly encrypted, no control, only leased to us.

Within a generation nobody will be able to program or own devices that can program.

That's the scary scenario.

pmontra•41m ago
Very few businesses can pay 1M without blinking. None of my customers. But yeah, I got the gist of it. Incumbents like moats and happily pay money to build them. Note that the pricing of Anthropic's models usually increases for new models. Chinese models cost 10 or 100 times less. Are they less capable? Maybe, but they are alternatives unless credit card companies start banning payments to them.
matheusmoreira•40m ago
That's genuinely terrifying.
LPisGood•27m ago
Then I guess I stop using computers that much outside of my job. It was fun while it lasted, but there’s other stuff.

You don’t _have_ to buy into the technocracy, there’s a whole outside going on.

yogthos•1h ago
Not if Chinese companies have anything to say about it.
mensetmanusman•54m ago
Chinese AI self censor or are banned from being released by their emperor.
8note•46m ago
how is that different from US AI that self censors and is banned from release by their emperors?
girvo•5m ago
Well, it's different in that at least the Chinese companies release weights unlike the American ones!
swingboy•59m ago
I realize these models are locked up pretty tight and terabytes in size, but in a future like that, I don’t see them not being leaked via an insider. The weights have to be loaded into VRAM at some point.
xpct•50m ago
That would depend on what gets leaked, as I'm not so sure that the weights by themselves would be enough to replicate the architecture. I imagine some part of the secret sauce will remain in the architecture, and the tensor dimensions may not be enough to decode it.

I'm sure if proprietary models continue to be a big thing, the methodology of their storage and loading on hardware will be obfuscated quite a bit.

chatmasta•48m ago
It’s a pretty safe bet that every frontier lab has multiple foreign intelligence agencies running assets inside of it.
matheusmoreira•42m ago
Hope it happens someday. That'd probably be the best possible outcome for all of humanity.
wincy•22m ago
The gamers would really be complaining about why they can’t run Fable.torrent on their gaming PCs
reneberlin•29m ago
I don't think it's a good idea to give the crowds that kind of weapon. The first thing they'd do is "liberate" the model aka remove guardrails and safetly-protocols and brag on X / reddit with it and throw it into the public. That's only cool for a geek that doesn't think about the ethical impact of such a move. You'd basically become responsible for anything that is done with it, forever - have a good sleep. /s
greenavocado•58m ago
I'm praying that China survives this BS and remains the bastion of AI model openness and freedom of choice. Can't believe I just wrote that.
wahnfrieden•45m ago
China’s biggest models are closed
verdverm•36m ago
The biggest open models are also Chinese
Smith42•55m ago
It's always been this way ever since the first industrial revolution.
gWPVhyxPHqvk•1h ago
> So isn’t the only logical conclusion that we have reached the max of model capabilities that the US allows to be made available to the public? Why invest in smarter models with this precedent?

95% odds this gets reversed by Monday morning is why

lovich•1h ago
Tuesday is the traditional reversal day.
madrox•48m ago
I wouldn't say so. Once upon a time, a PlayStation 2 was too powerful to export: https://www.pcmag.com/news/20-years-later-how-concerns-about...

ChatGPT 2 was once too powerful to release.

AI has been moving faster than culture and thinking around it. Once we've adapted to what these models can do we'll relax a little, and then a new stepwise improvement will start it all over again. It always goes this way.

sublinear•18m ago
I think culture moves a lot faster than you believe.

The broader discussion about AI and model capabilities died a couple of years ago precisely because it's so underwhelming now. People did adapt. Startups stopped hiring just to get to MVP. Coding sweatshops had huge layoffs and stopped overhiring. The corporate world got better tools for collaborations and meetings. Accessibility tools are still bad, but improving. I would argue that the a11y topic is still very ripe to be the next big thing as it continues to converge with better UI/UX instead of being an afterthought.

The layperson and tech professional alike otherwise agreed that this is a vehicle for blame game, grift, disinformation, etc. This is where all the pushback is and the topic at hand. People aren't dumb. The only people worried about "AI" are the ones who bet too big on it.

enraged_camel•47m ago
>> if a model like Mythos, which at best is an incremental improvement over Opus

What an unbelievable claim. Especially since the vast majority of publicly available benchmarks disagree.

BobbyJo•23m ago
The model card for mythos shows it being an incremental improvement in all respects besides security.
bonsai_spool•20m ago
Ah yes, the model card that shows an over 10% improvement in agentic coding among other things!

https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-fable-5-mythos-5

melenaboija•47m ago
Mmmm this “technology” is available to anyone with a big enough bag of bucks to train new models. So besides of this bubble popping soon, we only have to wait a few months to have someone else with a similar model.

This is the result of the American style spectacle around LLMs. Just that this time backfired.

cmrdporcupine•41m ago
The logical conclusion is that someone "forgot" to pay the right bribe to somebody in the admin, or make the right contributions to the GOP.

Same as the new bridge between Windsor and Detroit can't open until some palms are greased.

Chaos is a ladder, gotta keep climbing

nijave•16m ago
Almost assuredly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic%E2%80%93United_State...

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37m ago
You are so desperate to prove some sort of conspiracy that you’re throwing all critical thinking out the window.
platinumrad•35m ago
Anthropic is explicitly lobbying for this.
fosco•26m ago
Know where I can read about that?
platinumrad•8m ago
The two main bills I'm aware of are the Decoupling America's AI Capabilities from China Act and No Adversarial AI Act. The former would have made it illegal for any American citizen to simply use DeepSeek. I couldn't find any lobbying data, but the obvious effect is that Americans would be forced to pay for more expensive domestic alternatives.

A House committee also recently probed Cursor and Airbnb for using Chinese models, rather than more expensive American alternatives. A sexagenarian Congressman gave a nonsense quote that he certainly did not come up with himself,[1] which sounds very similar to language Anthropic uses in its marketing materials.[2][3]

[1] https://www.semafor.com/article/04/29/2026/house-committee-p...

[2] https://www.anthropic.com/news/updating-restrictions-of-sale...

[3] https://www.anthropic.com/research/2028-ai-leadership

mcast•1m ago
Is there any SCOTUS precedent for this? It seems like a huge 1A issue for the government to limit self hosted access to a foreign country’s LLM.
CamperBob2•21m ago
Nothing funny about it. That's exactly what Amodei asks for, every time he rubs his monkey's paw.
verdverm•13m ago
They'll have to remove sections like this from their AI Action Plan

> We need to ensure America has leading open models founded on American values. Open- source and open-weight models could become global standards in some areas of business and in academic research worldwide. For that reason, they also have geostrategic value. While the decision of whether and how to release an open or closed model is fundamentally up to the developer, the Federal government should create a supportive environment for open models.

ks2048•8m ago
Unless they (gasp!) write some statement they don’t believe or don’t follow through with.
nonethewiser•49m ago
Which models? Im curious what kind of more specific hypothesis you're willing to put forth. Anthropic going to lose 20-30-40-50% of users to Deepseek? What?
bigyabai•37m ago
I quit paying for Claude Code to buy z.ai's coding plan for use with OpenCode. I'm not a power user, but I don't regret switching away from Claude. OpenCode is generally nicer for my work.
pkulak•28m ago
Why z.ai and not an ollama pro plan that can use all the open models? Real question, not snark. I've only ever done ollama and wonder what I'm missing.
bigyabai•22m ago
Because I bought a year's subscription in December, when it was still $6/mo :P

I have decently capable hardware, but stuff like Qwen 3.6 and Gemma 4 still doesn't compare to agentic editing with a frontier model. Right now, OpenCode's $10/mo "Go" plan is what I'd be looking to try once my year expires.

commanderkeen08•21m ago
The z.ai was stupid cheap during the great anthropic opencode rugpull.
cube00•9m ago
> I've only ever done ollama and wonder what I'm missing.

Friends Don't Let Friends Use Ollama https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47788385

garciasn•26m ago
I guess if it works for you, great; that’s why competition is a good thing.

Enjoy.

nonethewiser•24m ago
Have never heard of it, thanks for the info
tkgally•44m ago
As it happens, the current number-two article on HN is about a similar consequence of Chinese export controls--a car manufacturer developing electric motors that do not use rare earths:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48510010

kccqzy•17m ago
Realpolitik in action. Great powers just impose export controls because they know they can and they think it would be beneficial to the nation.
Aurornis•14m ago
> Listen - that's the sound of millions of companies and users doubling down on Chinese models.

They’re falling back to Opus 4.8. Most people weren’t using Fable for everything anyway because it’s so expensive.

None of open weights models are even at Opus 4.8 levels. If someone was using Fable they don’t have any second best alternative outside of Anthropic.

itopaloglu83•11m ago
A sample of one, but I was getting more stuff done despite Fable uses tokens twice as fast as Opus, because it understood the goals so well and worked to achieve them.
cube00•10m ago
> Most people weren’t using Fable for everything anyway because it’s so expensive.

Or they were getting silently rerouted and couldn't realise they weren't using Fable

dbish•6m ago
Yep. I love open source but there isn’t a model that comes close still to the closed source options like Opus 4.8 and that’s obvious from most people I see across the software industry as well. There are at least another few models after Opus from OpenAI and Anthropic most would go down the list using before any of the Chinese models at this point.
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51m ago
I mean, we all pay via CC so it's bit like they can't know who you are if they wanted to.
VeninVidiaVicii•54m ago
Yep. This is more about the Trump administration’s vehement anti-immigrant stance than anything.
ivraatiems•45m ago
I think the key is that they also can't let Anthropic employees who are foreign nationals use it (e. g. overseas remote employees, people on H1-B visas or green cards, etc.)

That would probably make it very difficult to maintain and develop if there's even a small number of such employees, and I suspect Anthropic, who pays large sums of money for what they perceive as the best talent wherever they can find it, has quite a few.

hgoel•13m ago
And, if their best talent is anything like the other "leader in their field" people I know, they aren't particularly interested in becoming American citizens.
pmontra•29m ago
A US company paying for Fable with a US credit card could have non US nationals working for it, or be made of only non US nationals. How would Anthropic know? So they shut down the product.
bandrami•14m ago
In the 2016 primary. Trump was always fiscally heterodox to the old GOP.
edoceo•8m ago
I frequently see references to Regan and the ATC strike-busting. Can't tell if it's THE turning point but, it is a significant turn.
Spooky23•7m ago
Just like “rule of law” and “family values”, “the troops” and some other stuff, free markets were never something they care about.
cyberax•5m ago
They never wanted the free market. They wanted an _unregulated_ market. There's a difference.
alephnerd•9m ago
The issue is compute is constraint and export controlled, as is even knowhow in model training.