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I built a contextual audio decision engine to stop loud TV ads (CEPA Logic)

https://github.com/AdBusterOfficial/Adbuster--WinApp
1•Bo_Amigo_910•6s ago•1 comments

How slot machines work [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR8ESCmUYLY
1•sandebert•28s ago•0 comments

AI is code and can't be prompted into being smarter

https://www.theregister.com/ai-and-ml/2026/06/14/ai-is-code-and-cant-be-prompted-into-being-smarter/
1•adam_rida•46s ago•0 comments

Show HN: I made a small helper for checking model-graded answers

https://github.com/MatteoLeonesi/claim-memory-graph-sdk
1•ML0037•1m ago•0 comments

DeepSeek's 10T USD grand strategy

https://twitter.com/bookwormengr/status/2057909493250539891
2•gmays•1m ago•0 comments

Efficacy of dopamine agonist pramipexole for anhedonic depression

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-026-04465-9
1•bookofjoe•1m ago•0 comments

GitHub Pages alternative with native Python

https://blog.klemek.fr/articles/2026-06-14/
1•klemek•3m ago•0 comments

Career Update – Life After Stepping Down

https://kevquirk.com/career-update
1•speckx•4m ago•0 comments

Attack Is Taking Aim at Palantir – Novara Media

https://novaramedia.com/2026/06/01/massive-attack-is-taking-aim-at-palantir/
3•abdelhousni•5m ago•0 comments

Mlx-optiq: per-layer mixed-precision LLM quantization for Apple Silicon

https://mlx-optiq.com/
2•codelion•7m ago•0 comments

Journal–A Tale of Two Browsers

https://adactio.com/journal/22609
2•speckx•10m ago•0 comments

Parsing JSON at compile time with C++26 static reflection

https://twitter.com/lemire/status/2066174269839519796
2•tosh•10m ago•0 comments

Why Agents Don't Scale: It's an Engineering Problem, Not an AI Problem

https://blog.r-lopes.com/posts/2026-06-11-why-agents-dont-scale
3•dovelome•10m ago•0 comments

We Built AIventure, an AI-Powered Retro Dungeon

https://bebechien.github.io/cozy-corner-future/posts/how-we-built-aiventure/
3•simonpure•11m ago•0 comments

VRChat says somebody faked a breach notice with the Maine AG's office

https://www.theregister.com/security/2026/06/11/24m-vrchat-users-data-accessed-following-cloud-br...
3•Bender•11m ago•0 comments

Fallback Font Generator

https://screenspan.net/fallback
3•microflash•14m ago•0 comments

Why Japan's Rail Workers Can't Stop Pointing at Things (2017)

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/pointing-and-calling-japan-trains
2•downbad_•14m ago•0 comments

Is the peptide craze backed by science? The promise behind the hype

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-01816-x
3•Bender•15m ago•0 comments

Drones seized pilots cited near SoFi Stadium during World Cup security operation

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/drones-seized-pilots-cited-near-sofi-stadium-during-world-cup-se...
2•Bender•16m ago•0 comments

Swiss voters reject 10M population cap, early projections say

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20ygjem17zo
3•7777777phil•18m ago•0 comments

Easy Open Source AI

https://github.com/Light-Heart-Labs/DreamServer
2•dreamserver•18m ago•0 comments

Mantic Think – Private bring-your-own-key Ollama UI with AI debates

https://manticthink.com/d/tq00dkq
2•Colewilliamz•21m ago•1 comments

Exchanges promised users in to SpaceX IPO. The tokenized shares never arrived

https://thenextweb.com/news/crypto-platforms-spacex-ipo-tokenized-stock-failed
2•JumpinJack_Cash•21m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: What are you working on? (June 2026)

5•david927•22m ago•4 comments

Tiny Solar Planner: plan small scale solar power systems

https://tiny-solar.space/
4•LNSY•24m ago•0 comments

Linux 7.1

https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=wi4BF4bMhZNZ1tqs+FFV4OuZRe3ZqdWB+LxRLmRweUzQw@mail.gmail.com/T/#u
8•berlianta•26m ago•0 comments

Scientists Discover Ancient 'Necropolis' Teeming with New Creatures

https://www.404media.co/scientists-discover-vast-ancient-necropolis-teeming-with-strange-new-crea...
1•Brajeshwar•26m ago•0 comments

Show HN: ComplyEdge – Runtime EU AI Act Enforcement for Python

https://github.com/ComplyEdge/complyedge
1•lc-complyedge•30m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: Is anyone building real software with AI agents?

2•variety8675•31m ago•3 comments

Show HN: Smartass – TypeScript test assertions with type-narrowing signatures

https://github.com/KensioSoftware/smartass/
1•xiuyuan•31m ago•0 comments
Open in hackernews

No, everyone is not using AI for everything

https://gabrielweinberg.com/p/people-are-consuming-ai-like-they
136•yegg•1h ago

Comments

variety8675•1h ago
I've noticed several companies replacing deterministic systems in their support flows with a LLM version that is slower and worse. Many interfaces simply aren't better with AI added
romanovcode•57m ago
As a contractor who built a lot of predictive systems and workflows in last three years I can tell you that quite often there is a specific request to put AI into it even when it is not needed and would objectively make the system worse, slower and more expensive.

The AI psychosis is a real thing.

QuantumNomad_•49m ago
So then, do you put AI into it anyway because they asked for it, or do you tell them that you won’t do that?
romanovcode•39m ago
> you tell them that you won’t do that?

Of course I will do that, I get paid for doing that.

Most of the times I can convince that AI is not necessary by showing small PoC flow with AWS diagrams of data flows. This works well especially if the ask comes from technical people.

Other times the C-level interjects (CEO, CFO, sometimes even CTO) and demands that AI should be there. I literally had CEOs send me instagram reels of some AI shovel-sellers to demonstrate that I am wrong and AI is the way to go. No point arguing after that because I have no problem implementing whatever AI they want rather than losing a paying project.

cwnyth•46m ago
Where I work, management hasn't considered integrating AI at all, yet some clients are very vocal about it being the future and worry we are going to be left behind. Most people just don't care, and I worry the squeaky wheel will eventually get the grease.
nutjob2•38m ago
> worry we are going to be left behind.

I bet lemmings are grateful they were left behind.

It beggars belief that people think that they should rush in some uncertain direction, like some drawbridge is going to be lifted the moment people work out what the right direction is. It's utter stupidity.

KellyCriterion•39m ago
Haha, i have a colleague, he is the "AI-is-for-everything-let-me-check-Claude-first":

Regardless which task is handed to him, he "discusses" it first with Claude and very often comes back with like "The AI said... X"

anal_reactor•23m ago
I talk to Claude because I'm very talkative but I have nobody to talk to.
pjmlp•12m ago
I keep seeing requests to replace what would be a perfect UNIX shell script with agents, like what is the benefit other than being able to say we're doing AI?
camdenreslink•50m ago
The real best case scenario is using LLMs to help build deterministic systems. Instead of asking an LLM to do some task that you know will be repeated, instead ask the LLM to build a program (Python script or whatever) to do the task.
JCTheDenthog•45m ago
Or just write it yourself?
dukeyukey•27m ago
If you already know what the inputs/outputs are, why should you spend days or weeks of your life typing it out rather than giving it in a well-specified and tested form to an LLM to get it done a hundred times faster?
chasd00•11m ago
This is a truth that many are having a hard time accepting. Getting shoved into the light so fast is blinding.
dosisking•10m ago
Because the LLM version will have countless number of bugs and security holes, which means you will spend weeks or months of your life fixing them.
whehhshs•22m ago
Because typing “code” takes time and significant amounts of it.

We are slowly waking up to the fact, which was always true, that “coding” is just a fanciful preparatory task in order to appease the spirits properly so that we may invoke the spirit of what we are actually after: a live, running process that does useful things. Code is completely useless when separated from that fact.

Typing it is a complete waste of time unless getting up close and personal with it will result in some kind of useful and actionable improvement in you or your understanding. Knowing when it does and when it does not have this property is a skill of its own.

al_borland•48m ago
My management is pushing for us to come up with ideas on where we can use LLMs in our product. The whole team has been very resistant for this exact reason. Anything we can think of will only make things worse, and we’ve already been told anything above a 1-2% failure rate is unacceptable. If anything we need more structure and standards to hit that, not less.
iwontberude•36m ago
Luckily for programmatic or logic following, smaller models tend to do better, it can be surprising at first to see the more expensive models do worse at a task but it’s true.
rueh•34m ago
I believe that llm’s can be used to re-imagine experiences but it’s definitely not the way people think. The constraint is imagination and thinking about complex trade offs more than anything else. Which is the essence of innovation.

The agent paradigm will eventually give way to experiences that are a hybrid of deterministic and non deterministic and you won’t even know the llm was involved or visible.

pjmlp•13m ago
We just got dropped into hackatons for having ideas a few weeks ago, AI at all costs, similar feeling.
filup•34m ago
That's the completely opposite of what people should do. The laborious task of programing logical work flows is the only reason AI is useful for me.
gnuvince•34m ago
Basically, folks nowadays think that this article[1] was aspirational rather than a cautionary tale.

[1] https://thedailywtf.com/articles/Classic-WTF-No-Quack

gedy•31m ago
With inexperienced or non-technical people, talking to them about AI can be very confusing, as a LOT of their "AI" usecases are basically they didn't realize or know how to write a program for this straightforward logic.
mikert89•5m ago
models will get smarter, this wont be an issue
sriram_malhar•1h ago
Anyone who does a Google search gets a satisfactory looking answer as the very first entry. I daresay most people don't go beyond that, not even the entries on the first page, let alone go to the next. I argue that this is at the level of everyone for everything.
embedding-shape•53m ago
> Anyone who does a Google search gets a satisfactory looking answer as the very first entry.

Google has search results still? I don't use Google much anymore (thanks Kagi), but this is what ends up showing for me, I don't even see any search results anymore: https://i.imgur.com/eHIA2Df.png It seems like it's 50/50 on page reload if the LLM-reply UI expands automatically or not, which covers my entire screen. I guess Google is doing some A/B testing perhaps.

KellyCriterion•48m ago
What Im question is how is Google increasing Price-per-Click each year if people are clicking less and less on the links below the AI search result
brookst•39m ago
I don’t see the contradiction? If the inventory of clicks is declining and the number of businesses bidding on clicks is more or less constant, why wouldn’t that increase price?
Planktonne•40m ago
Even if we accept that all people are satisfied with the AI search overviews, that would still only be everyone for one thing.
antonvs•57m ago
The numbers given in the article are actually consistent with what is usually meant by “everyone” in such statements. Sure, it’s not literally everyone. But it’s a very significant percentage, especially given how quick the adoption has been.
jzemeocala•55m ago
Kinda like how quickly cellphones popped up and changed everything.
yegg•39m ago
I think what people mean by everyone varies a lot, which is why I wanted to draw attention to more specific numbers. For example, in the Datos data cited[1], on desktop 86% were using traditional search engines >10 visits/month vs. only 21% for AI chat tools. That is indeed a very significant percentage, but more than 4x less than search and (at least I) wouldn't say that ~1/5 is "everyone."

[1] https://sparktoro.com/blog/new-research-20-of-americans-use-...

tanaykarnik•19m ago
yeah exactly my thoughts. everyone didn't mean literally everyone.

and for the ones that are using it (especially the paid subs). the lure is undeniable.

Kuyawa•57m ago
As in everything tech-related, geeks and nerds adopt it first and we use it for everything, EVERYTHING! Many times a day, all days, till our last day. No, there won't be AI fatigue, as it is a brain extension that works wonders and makes you ten times more productive.

If it doesn't make you 10X more productive you definitely don't know how to prompt. And if you don't want to be more productive, others will for pennies. You will be outsourced.

dgellow•56m ago
What prompts you from posting this?
witx•53m ago
Cant really understand if this is trolling or outright AI psychosis
z3c0•44m ago
They are a self-described 10x coder who moves AI slop, so almost certainly the latter.

I think we might be facing a cultural reckoning on what being "productive" actually means. Creating more products doesn't mean more production.

witx•29m ago
Amen
embedding-shape•52m ago
Useful reminder to new developers, anyone who label themselves as a "10x programmer" and brags about that, is someone you probably want far away from any collaborative projects or organizations where long-term productivity actually matters.
aocallaghan17•55m ago
Reminds me of this article: https://www.theverge.com/podcast/917029/software-brain-ai-ba...

Software engineers are definitely in a bit of a bubble here. Are we just early adopters who see the value sooner, or does it uniquely benefit software engineering, or do we just like cool automation and we're deluding ourselves that this adds value beyond the cost?

Robin_Message•47m ago
I've been thinking about this, and I think software is uniquely knowledge work that has the most defined structure and least personally interaction. Hell, some of the software I write is for machine to talk to other machines. It's not surprising such a closed system is so amenable to AI, and other knowledge workers are not getting the same benefits.
TheOtherHobbes•34m ago
Software has huge and detailed code repositories ripe for training use. There's just enough inference in current models to remix that code in useful ways for the most popular languages.

The less popular a language, the more models struggle.

Writing, UI, and presentations have similar knowledge bases.

Outside of those, quality becomes much more hit and miss. If you ask for a recipe you may get something good, or you may get something completely inedible and random.

"Domain specific knowledge" really means "strong foundations and relevant abstractions" and LLMs just don't do that reliably.

bigstrat2003•33m ago
Software engineers aren't even all using AI, contrary to frequent claims here that they are. There are very many who have tried it, found it didn't add value to their work, and aren't using it unless FOMO-driven managers force them to.
simonw•53m ago
Bit of an odd decision to build an entire article around a clickbait headline from July 2025. Talk about a strawman.

That aside, this piece is interesting and ties together some useful numbers and studies.

I hadn't seen the recent Microsoft paper showing:

> 30 percent of the US working-age population is using AI [...] with at least 90 minutes of usage time in a given month.

I'm honestly impressed at how high that number is! That's a lot of adoption for a technology (LLM chatbots) that didn't exist four years ago.

JCTheDenthog•43m ago
How much of that use is driven by corporate mandates to use AI anywhere and everywhere (even when it's a terrible fit)?
simonw•5m ago
I'd love to see credible numbers on that. I find it hard to believe that stupid corporate mandates are responsible for more than a small fraction of usage, but without data I have just my own instincts to go on there.
z3c0•29m ago
It's a retrospective analysis of an assertion made by NYTimes. The original headline wasn't clickbait, just presumptive, and even so, it's a pretty significant publication that spends a lot of time on the HN front page (alongside you, I'll add). I think it's perfectly fair, and nowhere close to a strawman, to deconstruct that claim a year later.
simonw•6m ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/16/magazine/using-ai-hard-fo...

"Everyone Is Using A.I. for Everything. Is That Bad?" - subheading: "Either way, let’s not be in denial about it."

It's clearly intended as rhetorical hyperbole - like "everyone's on their phone at the movie theater" or "everyone's fed up with AI hype".

If you read the actual transcript it makes it very clear that it's not claiming "Everyone is using AI" almost immediately:

> ChatGPT is the sixth-biggest website on Earth. Something like 43 percent of Americans in the work force use generative A.I.

nutjob2•45m ago
> AI has gotten so good

Actually anything that is about 90% great and 10% disastrously wrong is utter crap given the way people want and do use AI models.

They are great tools in the right hands and awful in the wrong.

acc_297•7m ago
It's funny lately I've been seeing the cursor advertisements all with some premise of regular young person wants to develop an app and the ads really do focus on the simplest of premises: the only ones I've seen in these skits are essentially variants on the "todo app" web app tutorial

the tech is pretty good at helping identify simple bugs when they happen and to write short sections of code given very explicit instructions but yeah I have yet to see good examples of short one sentence ideas turned into a working product that looks better than anything that could be a UDemy tutorial app.

ChrisMarshallNY•43m ago
> AI has gotten so good that despite any misgivings, “everyone is using A.I.”

In my experience, it's a mixed bag. I wrote this comment[0], yesterday. It reflects my current work, and how I am integrating an LLM.

I have used it for two parts of my project:

1) The backend (PHP), and

2) The frontend (Swift)

It has been a huge help, in both, but #2 is a cautionary tale. It really needs adult supervision, in developing native UIKit Swift apps. I'm realizing how truly bad the code it wrote was. I mean, terrible.

That's jarring, because it did a great job with #1. It made sound, reasonable design decisions, and provided code that is better than what I would write.

With #2, it behaved exactly like an inexperienced engineer, panicking, when confronted with real-world problems. My rewrite is going to feature a much simpler, sound approach.

All that said, it has been a net positive, and has increased my productivity by a large margin.

I guess the lesson I needed to get from this, is that it is good at helping me to find problems, but maybe not so good at fixing them.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48515217

junon•41m ago
This would be expected. The corner cases people faced with PHP throughout the decades have been well documented on the internet for eons.

Swift, not so much. It's relatively new. Looking at AI's abilities like an engineer's career span scaled about 10-20x of time makes it make a bit more sense.

It's going to be worse at newer/niche things, intuitively - which is only going to get worse as it "learns" from garbage outputted by other LLMs moving forward.

ChrisMarshallNY•33m ago
Also, I suspect most "production" Swift –the type of stuff written by seasoned experts– (I just had to add em-dashes ;) is behind closed-source walls.
jdw64•40m ago
I only use AI for software development. For writing, I don't use it at all except to translate source materials. So yes, AI is only for software development in my case. The real question is whether I have any value outside of software development. Sometimes I get the feeling that AI is replacing the value I have in society.
bigstrat2003•18m ago
I don't think AI has any real value for software development, personally. The quality just isn't there, unless you invest so much effort that you may as well have written it yourself. But the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent, and even though I think the industry will get over the idiocy of having LLMs write software, there's no telling how long that will take. So it's a scary time to work in tech even if I think the trend will ultimately reverse.
jdw64•5m ago
I envy you. For me, AI is faster than the code I write myself in many, many cases. It might replace the average developer, but a talented developer like you probably won't be replaced
leptons•8m ago
I have no doubt that as AI gets more expensive, my employer would lay off more developers to pay for more AI tokens, until there are very few developers left. And the hilariously sad part is, the current developers keep training the AI to do their job. Eventually I expect they will lay off almost all the developers. It really feels like we're going to be stabbing each other in the back just to be the last one to get let go.
dismalaf•34m ago
I honestly just use it as a search engine to get around SEO garbage and ads.

My wife uses it for a (non-computer related) business though and it's great for all sorts of normally tedious marketing/social media type jobs though. Stuff that doesn't really require accuracy just needs text on pictures that looks good quickly.

I think everyone just has FOMO and doesn't want to lose to competitors. Eventually it'll die down.

wamatt•32m ago
One thing I'd personally like to see a little more discussion of (at least within my social circles) is.. what exactly does "using AI" mean?

How does this connect to everyone's high level ideas/thoughts about "tech", "AI" and "morals and feels" etc. These lines can start to seem a little blurry, at least for me.

For example, would we say my partner is "using AI" (for all intents and purposes), if she's frequently using Google.com throughout the day, and then ends up picking and believing the AI generated answer overview at the top of the SERPs almost every time?

Or do we feel "uses AI", is more along the lines of the vampire kids running 1000 sub-agents on a mattress floor in SF?

I kind of find the whole spectrum really interesting because even basic phone use is now stuffed with AI, whether we choose to label it or not.

bronlund•27m ago
No, everyone is not using AI for everything - yet.
negergreger•24m ago
Everyone is using AI, issue is not just everyone recognizes what AI actually is, how broadly it's used.

Looking things up and asking questions was always something for a minority of the population so the language model usage being relatively low isn't a surprise.

Problem arises if the non-AI segment is leveraged to create regulations that impact the AI using segment negatively.

ErrantX•23m ago
Some of the advantages are second order.

For example; ChatGPT is replacing my Google searching. Not necessarily because it's better, or because it's summaries are better than Google (I find them subjectively better but it's not clear cut).

But because the app has a nice history; can ask a relatively complicated question and go do something else and then come back to it, ask a follow up. Etc.

None of that is specifically an AI benefit, but it's a workflow that really helps, well, flow.

satvikpendem•8m ago
That's funny, Google Gemini and AI mode in search has replaced my ChatGPT prompting, because I know Gemini will correctly cite sources (as of course it's by Google) rather than hallucinating.

Also, Gemini is free or at least has much higher usage limits than ChatGPT or Claude, and it's well integrated into Android and soon Apple with their new Siri, so things like circle to search just work well.

byteoptimizer•22m ago
True, but you're somehow involved in it even though you don't use AI.
acc_297•22m ago
On the post-grad job hunt right now - I note that most employers will ask in a technical interview or whiteboard interview "how are you using LLMs?"

It's tough to answer because you want to hedge for both an AI enthused employer and an AI hesitant employer with limited information about who they are and how they personally use these products. I've been responding with a sort of long winded answer about how 'there is clearly a learning curve for how this technology fits into any process and how I always always always double double double check yadayadayada'

I'm probably using the chat/ask functionality on a daily basis for quick debugging / new technology learning questions but I have yet to really use the fully agent or computer-use products because I've had more bad results than good the few times I've tried them (re-factoring a big repo of decades old fortran+C code for modern compiler/OS some things started to work but ultimately I abandoned that effort).

dmitrygr•20m ago
"for entertainment value, when i'd like to see how an enthusiastic 5-year-old would react to the task."
paulddraper•16m ago
Your 5 year old is going to a heck of a kindergarten.
hypfer•16m ago
> It's tough to answer because you want to hedge for both an AI enthused employer and an AI hesitant employer with limited information about who they are and how they personally use these products.

Have you considered just answering truthfully?

Would you even want to work somewhere where you need to play a role and where they flip out when you say the wrong word you should've correctly guessed through mind reading? That sounds not like a job but a toxic relationship.

tanaykarnik•21m ago
everyone might not be using ai. but i see myself reaching for it for every small thing these days. it's like every curiousity or lifestyle choice or optimization is something ai can help research.

i am not saying it's really powerful or great. but the lure is undeniable. because of how low friction it has become.

arisAlexis•20m ago
Articles that start with no are inherently biased and only gather reads from people that agree.
rafaepta•17m ago
So true, just built a deterministic system to identify duplicated code. It's offline and doesn't use AI on purpose, since a gate that blocks your CI has to give the exact same answer every time, and finding dupes means comparing every function against every other (that's index work). It does NOT use AI. But ironically, I used AI to build it (https://github.com/Rafaelpta/dupehound )
NathanaelRea•12m ago
Have you seen jscpd? What does your tool do differently?
jacobgold•14m ago
I understand the point being made, but it does feel a bit like writing a post in the early days of the internet saying:

"No, everyone is not using the internet for everything."

Which would have been entirely true when written, and entirely false a relatively short time later.

Everyone does use the internet for everything today, and everyone will use AI for everything soon.

enraged_camel•14m ago
I'm using AI for most things. It has been an incredible improvement to both my quality of life and my wallet. Some of the most high profile items from just the past three months:

- I'm getting my roof replaced due to hail damage. Insurance originally covered only $5k due to depreciation. I fed the insurance policy to AI. I learned about the appraisal clause and invoked it. At the end, I got another $6,500 back.

- I was having issues with plumbing. Four different plumbers came, they all said the cast iron pipes under the house need to change. Quotes ranged from $35k to $55k. I had AI walk me through the process. It taught me about the yard line vs. under-slab distinction, and suggested getting just the yard line replaced first because it's much cheaper and can fix the issue. I did that and spent $6k. The issue was fixed. I "saved" $30k for now by deferring that massive month-long project. (For brevity, I'm omitting a ton of boring technical stuff I learned about plumbing that helped me make the optimal decision - none of the contractors bothered explaining any of it.)

- My 2010 Hyundai Santa Fe is starting to show its age. I've taken it to multiple different repair shops, then fed their diagnoses and recommendations to AI and figured out which ones are trying to fleece me and which ones are being more careful and conservative with their repair recommendations. Probably saved several thousand dollars there. Learned a lot about cars too!

- My partner and I are converting the backyard to a wildlife sanctuary. The AI helped us plan what to plant where (depending on lots of factors like sunlight location, irrigation access, etc.) and it has been going really well. Also planned out a dragonfly pond to deal with mosquitoes. AI created a project plan, including schematics, material purchase list and step-by-step instructions.

- I've been wanting to do various other home improvement projects, but only ones that make financial sense. I took photos of my house, both inside and outside, and fed them to AI, and said "give me a list of projects I can do that will have high ROI for when I decide to sell this house". It spent 15 mins doing deep research, then came back with a long, prioritized list. If I do all the projects, I'd be spending about $40k and it would improve the house valuation by about $90k.

I can go on. There's probably dozens of stuff that I've used it for over the past year that led to massive time and money savings, and I've learned a ton as well about topics I normally would not have been exposed to or bothered to research myself. And I'm not even including all the work-related usage, both for my employer and my side business. That would be its own very long list.

emodendroket•11m ago
> People are consuming AI like they eat meat: some are embracing it, some are limiting their use of it, and some are avoiding it altogether.

That's an interesting analogy as, despite the real ecological issues with it and principled arguments against meat eating, in general meat consumption has trended upward globally in country after country for decades.

quacked•15m ago
> Typing it is a complete waste of time unless getting up close and personal with it will result in some kind of useful and actionable improvement in you or your understanding.

I believe this is the general belief about basically every human skill, that if you stop doing the technical fundamentals you get worse at understanding the activity. The question is whether coding is like sailing a square-rigged wooden ship, which became completely useless knowledge after the invention of the steam engine, or if it's like playing an instrument, which while technically unnecessary after the advent of MIDI and other tools, absolutely hurts your ability to arrange, compose and perform if the skill is neglected.

For my money: I think AI isn't either. I worry that in ten years we will be awash in software that's impossible to understand. I don't think that's happened in any human industry ever. Someone has always understood how the machines are built, even if they're very remote from the users of the machine.

nik282000•14m ago
> Typing it is a complete waste of time unless getting up close and personal with it will result in some kind of useful and actionable improvement in you or your understanding.

Like, perhaps, understanding that it is free of security and functionality bugs.

krona•14m ago
The typing was never the bottleneck.
satvikpendem•11m ago
Based on what I'm using AI for these days, seems like it always was.
dakiol•42m ago
If it's a one-off script/program that doesn't require additional "domain knowledge", sure. But what if you need to give as context your whole backend repository because you need to take into account a few business rules? Why give anthropic/openai access to my "secret sauce" (e.g., company private repos)?

In that case, it's way better to simply write the code yourself.

jacobgold•25m ago
Making systems fully deterministic ignores the entire purpose of having agents involved.

IMHO the best of both worlds option is agents working with deterministic CLIs. Where the agent does the reasoning (and text generation) but uses CLIs to carry out all of the actions (issuing refunds, unblocking accounts, or whatever).

It's possible to get very reliable and consistent work out of agents when they're using well written prompts with well designed CLIs.

bethekidyouwant•16m ago
How else would anyone do something like issue a refund if not through a programmatic interface?
jacobgold•12m ago
At some level everything an agent does is through a "programmatic interface" (tool calls).

Some people might use skill-based scripts, MCPs, or some kind of raw access to a database. My point is that well designed CLIs are the optimal programmatic interface, for many reasons.

sqquima•7m ago
Direct access to the database, and create the "refund program" on the fly. Yes, stuff of nightmares.
variety8675•11m ago
Isn't this how we end up with things like: https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/high-profile-meta-a...
nutjob2•33m ago
When was the last time you used Google? The first entry (and a few after that) is always spam.

Anyone who does a search and accepts the first answer just doesn't care much or is incompetent. Anyone with any critical thinking whatsoever does way more than that if they want a correct answer.

Zetaphor•35m ago
I'm someone who uses tens of millions of tokens each month, almost exclusively with open weight models that I run on my own hardware. That said you are taking the wrong approach here, this type of mentality is only going to further radicalize those who have decided they're against this technology.

Additionally when the finally bubble bursts and the executives wake up from psychosis and look to distance themselves from this because it's become a dirty word, you'll be one of the first to go. The nail that sticks out gets hammered down and all that.

I do think there are real benefits and productivity gains with this technology, but it does not benefit everyone equally. It's great for the programming parts of my job, but useless in the other 40% of the work. I have coworkers for whom generative AI has no obvious practical application, and yet management is trying to find a way to shoehorn it in anyway. No doubt because they've also drank the kool-aid and are eager to reduce headcount.

This attitude of it making everything more productive and anyone who doesn't follow will be left behind is not just false, it's cruel and myopic. You're talking about people's livelihood being taken away because a handful of executives decided this is how things should work despite the MASSIVE number of shortcomings and poor product market fit.

Edit: I also almost missed where you're seemingly celebrating the devaluation of human labor as a result of this. Please stop and reflect on how your position may read to someone who is just trying to put food on the table.

targafarian•21m ago
Yes I believe software benefits uniquely, just like building tooling and automating software have long been easier in software than other domains. Humans defined all the rules of the world you live in, humans wrote strict rules in methodically parsable formats.

The moment you have to interact with the physical world or humans (psychological, imaginative, aesthetic, etc), there are often undiscovered or changing rules—or no rules at all. Or systems are subject to perturbations beyond a defined scope.

The other thing I believe is software developers are experts at doing the things that allow them to make doing those very things easier and more automated. And they do this in public, perfectly documented online.

Both because of the things I described above and because software developers have created the largest machine-accessible training set for plying their trade of any trade, ML—that is ultimately interpolating massive datasets to do things—is unsurprisingly uniquely successful for software tasks.

vinnymac•27m ago
No doubt in my mind, a future Apple model will be the best to use for this purpose. They likely have more swift to train on than anyone else, and would benefit directly from more quality apps, rather than the slop flowing into the App Store (>1k app submissions per hour; they claim)
red75prime•24m ago
> which is only going to get worse as it "learns" from garbage outputted by other LLMs moving forward

You seem to assume that autoregressive pretraining (and unfiltered behavior cloning, maybe) are the only ways to improve LLM performance.

argee•39m ago
That's just one way to use LLMs though. Recently on a flight I could not figure out how to connect my wife's earphones (i.e. put them in pairing mode) to my macbook since I was used to the old Airpods Pro case. So I asked Gemma4 26B A4B (offline, LM Studio) and was told to use the 'two tap on front of case' gesture, which worked. This situation would have been significantly more frustrating without (local) LLMs. I'm essentially carrying around a basic "how to" on everything, inaccurate though it may be, it's better than nothing.
ChrisMarshallNY•30m ago
Absolutely. I use it often, for stuff I used to "just Google." Other than a predilection for giving me CLI walkthroughs, it is usually fine.
altern8•39m ago
Might be because there are less Swift projects to train with.

But I've seen Claude write crazy code in Python and JavaScript, too

ChrisMarshallNY•37m ago
My theory is that most of the Swift code in the public domain, is basically demo code. Short, idealized, code samples to demonstrate issues and solutions; much like you would see in StackOverflow.

PHP has huge, entire frameworks and systems, refined over years.

graemep•33m ago
There is also a lot of low quality PHP code out there, and a lot of legacy code in a language that I am told (I have not used if for years myself though) has changed a lot.
ChrisMarshallNY•29m ago
Same with C++. You don't want to write C++, the way that I used to.

That's one of the things that I appreciate about the PHP that the LLM provides. It uses modern idioms that make better use of the modern language.

graemep•34m ago
I do not know about crazy, but certainly sub-optimal. For example a loop over DB query results instead of modifying the code to work with a single query.
wesselbindt•37m ago
Would you describe yourself as more skilled at frontend engineering or at backend engineering?
ChrisMarshallNY•36m ago
Definitely frontend (it's what I do, every day, and I enjoy it), but I have a great deal of experience (over 25 years), writing some pretty robust backend stuff. I just don't enjoy it as much.
wesselbindt•27m ago
I'm nowhere near that level of experience, although I've done both as well. I'm more backend oriented. And my experience has been the opposite. When I ask for backend code, footgun after footgun appears on my screen. With frontend code, much less of an issue, as far as I can tell. Part of me believes this is because I'm less skilled at frontend, and I don't bat an eye when the LLM plops down yet another useMemo (I've since learned that this is rarely needed). But in your case this argument can hardly be made. With 25 years I trust your ability to spot a good design on either end of the stack. So then I don't know where this discrepancy comes from. Maybe my prompting skills leave something to be desired.
ChrisMarshallNY•18m ago
I don't do "megascale" backends, though. My code is generally smaller-scale stuff that's designed to be deployed on a wide variety of cheap hosting, and is pretty conservative. It doesn't "push the limits."

I'm unlikely to run into many of the problems that (for example) the PornHub developers hit, several times an hour.

In that case, I benefit from folks like you, that allow me to have solutions that scale down to my level.

mrtksn•33m ago
In my experience the language has become irrelevant for me, I created a system like mix of revenuecat and firebase and I’m not even sure what language which part is. It has client side libraries that are swift and kotlin, the Identity management is Swift but the iAP/Subscription tracking is go IIRC. It’s all integrated somehow and works very well.
ChrisMarshallNY•31m ago
That's the thing, the Swift works fine, but is incredibly brittle. I think it would collapse, at the first bump in the road.

That's fine, for a lot of corporate applications, but not for the stuff I write. I'm anal, I know, but that's how I roll.

ablob•30m ago
I'd like to add that there is almost no way of "running away" from it. If I search for anything on the internet I am almost guaranteed to be handed pages and pages of AI generated content. In lieu of that I found that directly prompting for an answer tends to yield better results nowadays. Not because it's good per-se, but because having control over the prompt beats having little to no control over it though search by proxy.

It saddens me to see that high quality content is drowned in this sea of garbage to the point of being almost impossible to find.

bicx•25m ago
Which LLM though? Models can still be significantly different in their capabilities.
ChrisMarshallNY•23m ago
That's likely. I generally use ChatGPT (latest), but as a chat interface (not an agent). I suspect that I might get better stuff from Claude (maybe).
emodendroket•13m ago
I assume it's because he is seeking to pay rent, food bills, and other expenses through employment.
hypfer•7m ago
I mean maybe that is because I live in a still mostly not failed state (Germany), but I can't imagine that these things would be _so bad_ that living in fear of saying the wrong thing would be something worth considering.

Plus, and leaving that aside, I have my doubts that even if you did that, that that company would stay alive for very long. Reality has the habit of eventually ripping this kind of unproductively delusional people (like e.g. a boss that flips if you don't say the right word with regards to the current hype) to shreds eventually.

acc_297•6m ago
you assume correct
satvikpendem•12m ago
Not everyone has that luxury when there are bills to pay and mouths to feed.
hdhdhsjsbdh•6m ago
> Would you even want to work somewhere where you need to play a role and where they flip out when you say the wrong word you should've correctly guessed through mind reading?

This just sounds like a standard tech interview. Mind reading to find and perform the secret “signal”

bluefirebrand•15m ago
I personally think "I pretty much use it as a faster and more flexible StackOverflow" is probably the most neutral position you can have on it

That's probably not going to be enough for AI maxxers, but it probably won't be too much of a turn off for anyone but the most extreme AI minners, and everyone in between will probably be fine with it.

Frankly I plan to steer well clear of any "the majority of our code is AI generated" shops for the foreseeable future. Seems like disasters waiting to happen and I'd rather let other people step on those rakes

synergy20•13m ago
still 10x better than the 'finish this leetcode tweak algorithm in 20 minutes and tell me your thought process along the way, and yes you will never need that skill in the real job but we need find out who had time to cram for the algorithm books in the last few months'
MattPerry•13m ago
Exact same experience. My background is embedded and VLSI so I hedge my bets by saying that LLM are ok for Python scripting, but not there yet for synthesizable Verilog. It is really hard to see if the "how are you using LLMs?" question is for "we are AI Native™" or a form of cheating (like in university).
whinvik•7m ago
> re-factoring a big repo of decades old fortran+C cod

Having been in academia in the past and now in software I can say with a lot of certainty that this will take a lot more upfront work than otherwise.

Academic code does not have a lot of structure. And usually lacks a lot in terms of tests. While AI is best when it can mimic patterns as well as there are tests to target.

So you will probably need to budget a few weeks to establish good patters, docs as well as testing patterns before you can seriously make it really do what you want it to do.

satvikpendem•6m ago
Great examples. I think people not using AI for issues like these lack imagination or more charitably, simply don't know that it works so well for these. Especially non-technical people can find great value out of AI, not just SWEs.