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Apple's weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness

https://www.theverge.com/tech/942854/apple-vehicle-motion-cues-review-really-work
112•neilfrndes•1h ago

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jodacola•59m ago
I don't get car sick looking at a screen in a car, but my daughter very quickly does. Excited to set this up for her to see if it helps her, especially with our annual US Independence Day car trip coming up.

Can this same idea be extrapolated to a device that emits concentrated beams onto the surface of a book?

I'm thinking of those clip-on lights for books that allow one to read in the dark, but for this purpose explicitly. My daughter also gets car sick reading paper books while in a moving vehicle.

iJohnDoe•56m ago
Very useful feature for anyone. Probably the lesser known feature because it’s under Accessibility.

It should be a frontline feature to toggle on or off from the command center. It’s there once it’s enabled, but should be there by default.

birdman3131•48m ago
Don't know that I would say anyone. As I have never had any issue with any sort of motion sickness.
josefritzishere•52m ago
Is this from a press release? It's a substance-free product endorsement.
blairbeckwith•46m ago
The Verge is pretty well-known for their ethics policy [1] (they won't take money from any company they talk about) and that actually enables them to highlight interesting stuff like this that companies would never bother to pay to promote.

This article is actually the first time I've heard of this feature and I follow Apple news a lot, so I appreciate it.

[1] https://www.theverge.com/ethics-statement

mschuster91•10m ago
> The Verge is pretty well-known for their ethics policy [1]

Had a read through it, stumbled over this one:

> We do not give subjects of our reporting the ability to preview or approve interview questions, nor do we allow them to review our stories before we publish.

In Germany, that would be considered strange - here it is established good practice in print/written interviews to hand over the final story to the interview partner(s) [1], especially when the interview consists of a lot of industry-specific jargon to make sure that there's some sort of quality control.

[1] https://journalistikon.de/autorisierung/

internet2000•46m ago
No, it's an older feature. How it works is not super intuitive so it's good to have reports on how it helped someone.
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MattIPv4•51m ago
I can unfortunately report that these dots have not helped me in cars or trains; anything more than a few seconds looking at a screen during a journey will ensure I feel awful until I have an opportunity to sit or lie still for quite a while after. To be fair, even facing backwards on a train usually makes me sick rather rapidly.
arcfour•48m ago
Very interesting. I've noticed myself getting mildly car sick now that I'm a little older if I don't take breaks every so often. Does anyone know if there's a similar feature on Android?
Angostura•45m ago
Has worked very well for my wife who notably couldn’t look at her phone for even a few seconds without feeling ill
ourmandave•1m ago
My ex-wifey could sit and read for hours. She'd be all "Oh, are we here already?" no matter how badly I drove.
LoganDark•45m ago
I love stories like these. Lots of accessibility features like these dots are sort of conceptually very simple and potentially quite weird ideas, IMHO, but when they work, they work like magic. I have a big soft spot for things that make it more comfortable or even possible in the first place to operate a device, whether a user is disabled or not.
robrtsql•44m ago
I gave this feature a try and it didn't work for me. I was curious to see if it was effective, so I asked my wife to drive and I tried to read in the iOS "Books" app with the dots on. I think within 5 or 10 minutes I was feeling pretty sick, and stayed that way for the rest of the drive. Hopefully others have better results. I'll have to stick with audiobooks when in motion.
40four•41m ago
That’s unfortunate. I didn’t know this feature existed so I’ve yet to try it out. Fingers crossed
mmooss•44m ago
A relatively simple generic device, mounted on a car's interior ceiling, seems possible: It would project light 'dots' below onto everything the user looks at. Using the car's momentum, the dot movement could be mechanical, though you'd need power for the light.

Not every passenger would want to see the dots; their range could be restricted to the user's seating area or narrower - the user placing objects under the dots as needed. Also, of course the device could be turned on and off.

The dots need brightness and color visible on different surfaces, but those could be easily user-adjusted. Also, I wonder if a grid would work. (Edit: For use with screens, possibly the background reflection of the device, with its grid of lights, would work.)

The real question is, would it work? Does Apple's solution generally work or is the OP just a happy anecdote? Is there more magic to Apple's solution than dots swaying with momentum?

advisedwang•43m ago
Seems like there's a few android equivalents:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.panshen.mo...

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.urbandroid...

And even one that claims to work with sound:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.samsung.a1...

EDIT: Actually there's an enormous number of apps like this, many released very recently with similar style etc. Weird.

Pfhortune•40m ago
If you're like me and want an open or non-google-play alternative to these, this is available on F-Droid: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/dev.davidv.motionsickness/

I can't vouch for it (yet) but am going to give it a try!

jerlam•22m ago
It's been rumored that Google would build it into Android for years:

https://www.androidauthority.com/google-motion-cues-pixels-n...

I've tried some of those Android equivalents and they seemed to work on any motion, not on acceleration like the Apple one.

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wifipunk•43m ago
Had no idea this was a thing. Have always gotten car sick anytime I'm not driving. They sold me lol
40four•41m ago
Never knew this feature existed! I’ve gotten this type of motion sickness my whole life, so I’m excited to try it out. It would be nice if it’s effective for me.

I get the same type of nausea described by the author. I can’t read a book or look at a screen for too long without a feeling awful. I can also get it just from sitting in a rear passenger seat, especially if vehicle has poor visibility, and even worse with a bad driver. I have to really focus on looking outside the vehicle at the moving world.

Interestingly, I think there are people that have the opposite type of motion sickness. For example, my mom could never play arcade racing games without getting nauseous. The issue being focusing on a screen with rapidly moving objects and everything else in the peripheral being fixed, versus focusing on a fixed object and everything in the peripheral moving. She never had any issue reading a book in a moving car

fecal_henge•30m ago
Maybe for christmas you could get your mom a multi axis driving simulation rig.
xattt•19m ago
Any recommendations? I searched, but not sure if the results that come up are just white-boxed versions of the same thing.
jborichevskiy•31m ago
It helps, doesn't completely cure it for me but makes looking at google maps / iMessage more bearable. Not reading essays yet though.
makerofthings•22m ago
I get really bad motion sickness, I tried reading hacker news in the car with these on when the feature first appeared. It didn't help.
cassianoleal•22m ago
> to reduce or, in my case, even eliminate the motion sickness felt when trying to use an iPhone, iPad, or MacBook inside a moving vehicle.

Does it also help people who get carsick without looking at a screen?

I get carsick in pretty much any modern car, unless I'm the one driving.

dylan604•50s ago
Um, no. What a strange question to post publicly
markus_zhang•18m ago
Wait can I use it for rollercoasters?
Curiositry•15m ago
Has anyone made a Linux version of this yet? I think Framework laptops and many thinkpads have accelerometers.
normalaccess•14m ago
I have this on 24/7. I like them even when I'm not driving.
sowbug•13m ago
You might ask why motion sickness even exists in the first place. Why do nausea and vomiting make sense when your body is in a car or on a boat? Nobody knows for sure, but there's a convincing theory.

Zillions of years ago, we were foragers. We ate what we found. And if we ate something bad, like a poisonous berry, we could die. One of the first symptoms of neurotoxin ingestion is that your eyes lose their tracking ability. And an easy way for your body to detect this is when your eyes and ears (vestibular system) disagree about your body's position and motion in space.

So we presumably evolved a simple rule:

    if (eyes != ears) { vomit(); }
Which gets that bad berry right back out of the system.

This is why these Android and Apple gadgets work: they restore visual cues helping your eyes match what your ears are telling you. It's why looking at the horizon on a boat helps. And it's why reading in the car gets some people so horribly sick.

dylan604•2m ago
> And it's why reading in the car gets some people so horribly sick.

As a kid, I was told to turn 90° so that the back and forth of my eyes reading were in line with the motion of the car. This was soooo before any kind of electronic devices. Hell, the radio in the car still had the giant push buttons for saving stations.

ourmandave•8m ago
Do they have a boat version of this?

I get car sick easily but on open water I have to sit and watch the horizon or it's adios cookies.

peab•7m ago
Oh wow, this is great!
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