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Who Is America's Homer?

https://www.plough.com/articles/who-is-americas-homer
4•Aqua1920•1h ago

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Brendinooo•1h ago
>All these epics...have something in common: they were all written after the collapse, or apparent collapse, of the civilization they represent. A people doesn’t think to write an epic in its heyday. Rather, an epic – a true epic – comes only after a people has gone through some convulsive change, some transformation or defeat or desolation so total that they no longer know who they are, and they have to write an epic in order to recognize themselves again.

Dunno if this is true or not but it's certainly thought-provoking!

yepyoukno•58m ago
Not written, rather conveyed through centuries of oral tradition, for Homer anyway.

Writing reappeared fifty years after the time of Homer, within a hundred years or so bringing on the “golden age” of Greek philosophy, if that tells you anything.

Homer did not invent the Iliad, though it is strongly arguable he and his “school” did wholly invent the Odyssey, at least the story in which lore was woven.

The Iliad was a small part of the “epic cycle”, which only survived in fragments referenced by later literary discussions.

All this said, there is some truth to what you have highlighted. A grand epic is one which speaks to an age, and it takes generations of telling to process this into a mind worthy of its ultimate composure.

gorfian_robot•1h ago
But What If We're Wrong?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/But_What_If_We%27re_Wrong%3F

The premise of the book is that most of what we believe is likely to be wrong, but to avoid delusions in our perceptions, Klosterman advises us to "think about the present as if it were the distant past."

Klosterman examines such phenomena as the history of scientific theories, our perception of historical literary geniuses and our interests in entertainment and professional sports, as background examples to challenge the reader's confidence in their contemporary perceptions, and to try to detect how those perceptions might be mistaken. In a series of what have been called thought experiments, various topics (literary greats, multiverses, time, dreams, democracy, television shows, sports) are analyzed under "Klosterman's Razor": the concept that "the best hypothesis is the one that reflexively accepts its potential wrongness to begin with.

gorfian_robot•1h ago
example: in 300 years if anyone thinks of "rock and roll" they might remember one band. and that band is just as likely to be Nickelback as is it is the Rolling Stones.
yepyoukno•52m ago
> If England has Shakespeare, Spain has Cervantes, Italy has Dante, and Russia has Pushkin, then who do we have? Do we have a great poet who captures the American spirit, the American story, the American identity? Plough Quarterly asked for contributions from Joseph M. Keegin, Dana Gioia, Zena Hitz, Emily Wilson, A. E. Stallings, Zito Madu, Jane Clark Scharl, A. M. Juster, Ross Barkan, and Christian Wiman.

Our age has abandoned metered verse for prose. This affects the epic context greatly.

Of gods, Man, and beasts; of savage wrought and ascendant reach; tell us your tales of goddess of glories; speak your prose of divine aspects’ stories.

Let us hope in the age of slop there is still best works of Man yet to come.

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