Iran has figured out it can make the US president look like an idiot over and over at relatively low cost to themselves, since they're already so thoroughly excluded from the rest of the world.
mindslight•2h ago
The real question is why does this make Grump look like an idiot any more than the numerous other idiotic things he's already done.
Danox•1h ago
It’s exhausting every day every week every month it’s a new low, just when you thought it couldn’t get any lower or dumber…
conception•1h ago
Unlike most times this affects people’s pocketbooks- the only real political motivation.
ravoori•1h ago
Approval still rides at 37%, which is pretty decent given the amount of turmoil that has been unleashed
kelseyfrog•1h ago
That tracks. My rule of thumb is that political topics have a 33% group that will never budge and the remaining 4-5% accounts for the lizard man constant[1].
Trump is already hitting disapproval levels seen during the end of W's second term. He actually is bleeding support and politically damaged due to all this.
It gets worse when you break it down into key demographics. In the same way W's presidency influenced millennials away from the GOP, Trump is doing the same for young voters today too.
Non-whites and Gen Z were plus for him in 2024. He has absolutely cratered his support in those two demos.
We will see how the midterms go :)
sidewndr46•1h ago
He's not really up for re-election, so I'm not sure what approval numbers have to do with it
locknitpicker•12m ago
> He's not really up for re-election, so I'm not sure what approval numbers have to do with it
As an outsider, it seems the US midterm elections are a couple of months from now. If republicans lose, Donald Trump will most likely be impeached for all the mind numbingly high-level corruption and involvement in a pedophile ring.
pvaldes•1h ago
> why does this make Grump look like an idiot any more
Because this time his error is at a new level. Many countries had seen their strategic reserves of gasoline seriously reduced and about to disappear, and the fertilizers (that they need to feed their population in the next year) never arrived on time. His so called "little excursion" could kill much more people than any other of his former actions. For no reason or benefit.
And Israel isn't helping at all. They backstabbed Biden when he needed their help most in the elections, and are backstabbing Trump when he is desperate for the midterms. Everybody can see that Bibi plays Trump like a violin.
watwut•1h ago
I think it is about making US pressure Israel and eventually rupturing that relationship.
Meanwhile, Israel is trying to sabotage the peace process and dont care about that relationship.
cosmicgadget•1h ago
Of all the stupidity of this saga, believing Israel would simply go along with an agreement requiring them to not attack Lebanon is the stupidest.
2OEH8eoCRo0•40m ago
I think so too. Tying the conflict in Lebanon to the strait will drive a wedge between the US and Israel.
moogly•14m ago
Of course it is. It's literally the first provision in the MoU.
kelseyfrog•1h ago
Iran is Lucy, Trump is Charlie Brown, and the Straight of Hormuz is the football
Jamesbeam•1h ago
most beautiful analogy I read today.
pvaldes•1h ago
Iran or Israel?
sameersri2004•52m ago
Well you can definitely crack Donald Trump's image but when it comes to the loss, most of the loss will be borne by common people. Oil prices will once again rise markets once again fall and AI is already taking jobs. Inflation will rise along with unemployment and bad times are coming. This is happening mostly because of the foolishness of Trump.
aaomidi•43m ago
Or, US can’t figure out how to tell Israel to stop going insane
Havoc•41m ago
Oh I think he manages to look like an idiot without external help...
SilverElfin•38m ago
I don’t think it’s that. I think Trump and the US could simply use brute force to stop Iran’s attacks, control the strait, and replace the Islamic fundamentalist regime. If they wanted to.
But that’s not profitable to Trump and his family and friends and donors. By making announcements and deals and truces all the time, they can make trades anticipating each dishonest announcement. And that makes them incredibly rich and powerful.
Trump doesn’t care if anyone thinks he’s an idiot. He’s actually doing quite well if you consider the goal to be selfish corruption.
dzhiurgis•29m ago
> relatively low cost to themselves
You really believe that? Because bombing will continue until morale improves.
indoorfish•2h ago
cut ties with israel at this point?
moogly•1h ago
Aragchi was likely correct in saying the Israeli death cult is a threat to all of humanity at this point. This is untenable.
watwut•1h ago
It is closed! Open! Closed! Open! Closed!
We are negotiating! We dont! We do! We dont! We on the plane! We are not!
CSSer•1h ago
Everything is going to plan! Protect the precious bodily fluids.
ndiddy•1h ago
Iran’s perspective seems to be that their sovereignty will continue to be threatened by Israel if the US doesn’t start using its considerable amount of leverage over Israel to force them to stand down. I’m not sure how likely this would be, but Trump said that the US would start facing drastic fuel shortages and enter a recession in the next few weeks if he didn’t sign off on the MOU (which seems like a dumb thing to say while negotiations are ongoing but whatever), so it seems like Iran has a lot of power here. Ultimately, I think Trump and Netanyahu’s decision to start this war may result in the largest shift in the Middle Eastern power balance since the post-World War II period.
sghiassy•1h ago
Art of the Deal sigh
cosmicgadget•1h ago
So Iran can shield Hezbollah and other allies/proxies via its stranglehold on the strait. This is quite the shift.
RevEng•1h ago
Trump agreed to the MoU saying it's allies would stop attacks, including in Lebanon. Israel continues to bomb it. It's up to Trump to put pressure on Israel to stop in order to make good on his deal. It's no surprise this is instantly falling apart - Trump promised something he couldn't deliver. We can only hope that he does eventually put enough pressure on Israel to stop.
2OEH8eoCRo0•50m ago
So from now on every time Israel is attacked and responds the strait will be closed.
Masterstroke of diplomacy and military power. /s
kgwxd•19m ago
Speak ill of no man
Daishiman•18m ago
Beg Gvir said that all of Lebanon must burn. Consider who is the real aggressor here.
whyage•41m ago
It was astonishing to see the praise heaped on Trump by Israeli citizens and leaders, who believed he was their savior. I wonder if it's going to change now, not because he's giving up on them (which he seems to), but because they have nobody else left to rely on. Constant incoming ass kissing is effective when it comes to him, so their best strategy might be to keep going until he changes his mind again.
floren•2h ago
mindslight•2h ago
Danox•1h ago
conception•1h ago
ravoori•1h ago
kelseyfrog•1h ago
1. https://www.spencergreenberg.com/2024/07/the-lizardmans-cons...
whateveracct•1h ago
It gets worse when you break it down into key demographics. In the same way W's presidency influenced millennials away from the GOP, Trump is doing the same for young voters today too.
Non-whites and Gen Z were plus for him in 2024. He has absolutely cratered his support in those two demos.
We will see how the midterms go :)
sidewndr46•1h ago
locknitpicker•12m ago
As an outsider, it seems the US midterm elections are a couple of months from now. If republicans lose, Donald Trump will most likely be impeached for all the mind numbingly high-level corruption and involvement in a pedophile ring.
pvaldes•1h ago
Because this time his error is at a new level. Many countries had seen their strategic reserves of gasoline seriously reduced and about to disappear, and the fertilizers (that they need to feed their population in the next year) never arrived on time. His so called "little excursion" could kill much more people than any other of his former actions. For no reason or benefit.
And Israel isn't helping at all. They backstabbed Biden when he needed their help most in the elections, and are backstabbing Trump when he is desperate for the midterms. Everybody can see that Bibi plays Trump like a violin.
watwut•1h ago
Meanwhile, Israel is trying to sabotage the peace process and dont care about that relationship.
cosmicgadget•1h ago
2OEH8eoCRo0•40m ago
moogly•14m ago
kelseyfrog•1h ago
Jamesbeam•1h ago
pvaldes•1h ago
sameersri2004•52m ago
aaomidi•43m ago
Havoc•41m ago
SilverElfin•38m ago
But that’s not profitable to Trump and his family and friends and donors. By making announcements and deals and truces all the time, they can make trades anticipating each dishonest announcement. And that makes them incredibly rich and powerful.
Trump doesn’t care if anyone thinks he’s an idiot. He’s actually doing quite well if you consider the goal to be selfish corruption.
dzhiurgis•29m ago
You really believe that? Because bombing will continue until morale improves.