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Pollen (CEO Negus-Fancey, CTO Wright) tried to remove article, and Google helped

https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/pollen-tried-to-remove-my-article-about-callum-negus-fancey-and-google-is-assisting-to-it/
154•taubek•1h ago

Comments

A_D_E_P_T•1h ago
Just as there are SEO firms that help companies ascend the rankings, there are "reputation management" firms that erase bad news by publishing new articles & by pushing takedown requests on articles they don't like. As with SEO, Google appears to tacitly encourage this.

It seems obvious that there should be a review process for takedown requests, with penalties for frivolous requests. (Up to and perhaps including lawsuits to cover costs and for the sake of deterrence.) But it's not at all obvious to Google.

RobotToaster•38m ago
DMCA notices are supposed to be filed under penalty of perjury, but I'm not aware of anyone ever being prosecuted for that.
gorgmah•58m ago
Already 12 points after just 34 minutes. As noted at the end of the article, streisand effect is alive and well and this article is on its way to the front page.
pancho111203•56m ago
How easy is it to challenge these claims?
PunchyHamster•35m ago
You pay lawyer, they back off, you're now in the red for lawyer fees. I guess you could sue for damages but good fucking luck
samat•52m ago
I would have never heard about Negus-Fancey and Wright, but now I have! Streisand at its finest.
nubinetwork•45m ago
I'm curious how Google notifies people about things like this... do they pull an email out of whois, or your DNS SOA? If there's nothing linking your website to a Google account, it seems like they could just make your website disappear.
LoganDark•38m ago
Do they even?
progbits•35m ago
> So imagine my surprise when I was notified that Google removed the article from its search results

You know you can just read the linked articles, right?

Edit: parent has edited their post, it used to say something like "google has never notified anyone about such things".

donohoe•3m ago
I have received notifications for stories published by the org I work at when they were delisted for certain terms. Like here, it’s people who got caught doing disreputable things and trying to cleanup their online presence.
donohoe•5m ago
Many sites have setup Google Search Console and so you can be notified through that.
PunchyHamster•35m ago
> Why does Google allow fraudulent DMCA notices to be filed with no penalty?

Because there is no law that requires a penalty. It's very common on YT, if you are big enough of a company you can file them willy nilly and never get any consequence

sourcecodeplz•31m ago
if this makes you angry, it should! but there is nothing "one" can do. it is just how the system is set up.
znpy•30m ago
> It seems that anyone can file a bogus copyright claim to get an article they don't like removed from Google's search index

This has been known for years. Copyright has been abused for many many years in this sense.

And Google is very well known for their completely absent human-in-the-loop support, so that doesn’t help either.

mDyJzDPmBdG•21m ago
While that is true, and Google deserves are shaming they get for their terrible handling of DMCA, lets try to be real. Autoaccepting all DMCA takedown requests with zero verification is simplest and cheapest approach to be complaint. Failing to delete a file is tho only way to be on hook for any repercussions.
TFNA•26m ago
> Negus-Fancey

I have seen that posh double-barreled surname before: Charles and Cathy Negus-Fancey were the managers of the reclusive cult musician Scott Walker and his interface to the world. Any close relation?

philipwhiuk•21m ago
Probably - he got started in the music business: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/talent-20...
saaaaaam•18m ago
Charles Negus-Fancey is Callum Negus-Fancey’s father. Charles Negus-Fancey’s father was Edwin Fancey, a British film producer and distributor.
pibaker•19m ago
Ah, yes, you know someone's desperate when you see a bogus DMCA claim like this. Not the first time this happened and definitely won't be the last.

This also demonstrates why it is bad for a law to mandate private entities to do moderation, in this case taking down copyright infringement materials when reported. Google, like basically all big platforms, doesn't care if a claim is fraudulent because the parties impacted cannot hold it accountable — google will just tell you they are themselves victims of the fraudulent claim. And to be fair, they are. But it has to enforce the claims or else lose its safe harbor exemption. This practically allows bad actors to use platforms as their shields, and in the end no one but the victim suffers any consequences for their abuse of the copyright laws.

I think a more sane approach would to require every copyright takedown to require a court order. Granted, the legal system is not perfect, but judges are not incentivized to always side with the supposed copyright holder like online platforms do. They will not be letting someone claiming to be living on a deserted island to file a claim and even when fraud does occur, they will at least know where the claim is actually coming from and be able to punish the fraudster accordingly.

abirch•13m ago
1)The legal system is not fast. 2) jurisdiction should have the right to ask the judge to take down the material?

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