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International chess federation sanctions Kramnik

https://www.fide.com/fide-ethics-disciplinary-commission-issues-a-decision-in-case-involving-gm-vladimir-kramnik/
34•DarkContinent•1h ago

Comments

Arainach•31m ago
For those who don't follow chess, what were the allegations? This article is intentionally vague on all the details.
moomin•27m ago
I’m not a follower either, but inference from the article tells me: Krammik has come up with some sort of cheat detection method, has loudly accused some others of cheating, and FIDE are both unconvinced of the truth of the allegations and very unhappy he didn’t do this through proper channels. He also doesn’t appear to have co-operated with the investigation.
arvyy•23m ago
one of the players he persistently harassed, Daniel Naroditsky, ended up dying, which surely gave an extra push
lvRa•19m ago
He posted mathematically unsound methods that accused online players of cheating. Including Naroditsky, who is no longer with us (draw your own conclusions).

This is a case of a Kramnik being a crank whom most people did not take seriously, but he still had an impact on the victims.

Fro Kramnik this is a mild penalty.

ungreased0675•28m ago
That’s a lot of words to say very little. What is this about?
adityashankar•25m ago
Kramnik has a habit of accusing people of cheating without evidence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Kramnik#Anti-cheating..., he has also done this to many many individuals without evidence (and cheating is taken very seriously), this is in connection to that - he's being penalized for accusing people (repeatedly) without evidence.

Just to be clear – this is an event where he has been doing so repeatedly, accusing people of cheating without evidence in-and-of itself isn't forbidden - since cheating in chess is difficult to verify, it's the manner and fashion to which Kramnik has done this that has led to his suspension

prerok•13m ago
Thank you for the link. Chess is very much also a psychological game and that he resorts to such low blows is really petty.
_factor•21m ago
He basically pushed a player going through a crisis to suicide with his baseless accusations. Proceeded to make public derogatory remarks right after they passed while the family barely started grieving. This is a slap on the wrist.
Maxatar•10m ago
Kramnik was accused of pushing Naroditsky to suicide and defended himself by saying that it was far more likely that Naroditsky died due to a drug overdose.

Toxicology reports later showed that Naroditsky did die due to the combination of an abnormal heartbeat, sarcoidosis and drugs, specifically methamphetamines and kratom.

Now if you want to speculate that he took those drugs due to the harassment that's a possibility, but claiming he died due to suicide is entirely unsubstatiated and uncalled for.

manvel_hn•17m ago
So Kramnik, being a chess player and not a statistician, invented various methods of "detecting" cheating which seemed convincing for for a layman but questionable mathematically.

Then he started attacking Daniel, Hikaru and some other players online. This all led to pretty tragic consequences.

Kramnik still believes that he's in the right.

The only good thing out of this is numerous funny videos by chess players trying to figure out intricacies of statistics and math.

amrit3128•12m ago
For anyone new, Kramnik has been accusing players left and right of cheating without any proof. His accusations have done huge harm to the chess community as a whole. Daniel Naroditsky was harrassed so much, that he eventually went into depression and committed suicide. And he had proven ability as one of the best chess players out there, and probably the best chess teacher on YouTube. These are facts.

Now onto my probably crazy conspiracy theory: Russian players like Danil, Nepo and Kramnik have accused American and Indian players baselessly of cheating multiple times over the past few years. They have went to podcasts and implied that their opponents have cheated. Idk if it's some lost national pride in chess or something but accusing others does more harm than good. We've seen how it hurt Hans when he was accused by Magnus of cheating without any evidence. Multiple top level tournaments stopped calling him due to magnus throwing a tantrum cuz he lost.

EGreg•10m ago
What about the famous case of Carlsen claiming that his opponent cheated and even forfeiting to draw attention to it?
V__•6m ago
Any normal human should have stopped and thought about their actions after Daniels passing.. Daniel will be missed and Kramnik hopefully forgotten.
cubefox•12m ago
> In addition, the Chamber imposed 12 months of unpaid service for the benefit of the chess community as a supplementary sanction.

I wonder how this is enforced.

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