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Ask HN: New employeer not providing equipment

9•gl9•1h ago
I am joining a small ~10 person startup in SF next week as a full time W2 employee. I am a software dev. The work is in a very regulated space (ITAR/ SOC2/etc) type stuff.

My manager (who is the CTO) texted me to bring my personal laptop in on the first day. This already seems like a red-flag and if needed I will not install any software or visit any sites beyond payroll.

How should I handle this situation if they refuse to provide me equipment. This is a in-person role.

Comments

moezd•1h ago
Oof. That's a bright red flag: Regulated industry and own laptop? Please tell me at least if they asked you to install a new harddrive and company VPN. If not, the company is probably compliance theater and has no business being in the business. God have mercy on their customers.

How to handle it? If you can afford it, leave and don't come back. If not, bring it up first thing you see your manager, latest on your first 1-1. This can't go on. If he brushes off, check if he intends to work you hard like 996. That usually means they are looking to use your work and find a reason to fire you asap afterwards.

Just out of curiosity: Did you oversell yourself during the interviews?

gl9•1h ago
The only person higher I can go to is the CEO. And yes, their customer is celebrating a birthday today, I am sure they wouldn't be happy to hear about employees working on personal machines.

I don't oversell myself in interviews, most of my work in the last 7 years has been inbound referrals, so it is just a team fit interview most of the time.

turtleyacht•1h ago
Red flag. Never work on company stuff on personal machine. They need to get their act together and provide equipment. You show up; you get paid--even if they are still provisioning your equipment.

In the meantime, shadow folks, attend standups, get to know your colleagues, the products, etc.

gl9•1h ago
That's my plan, or they can buy my existing laptop at market rate on the spot and I will happily flash it. But in all reality they can walk down to Union Square Apple store across the street and pick up a MacBook.
codingdave•1h ago
Using your personal laptop for work is unheard of for anything other than a startup that is still a couple dudes in their basement. (Where you are one of the original dudes)

Run away.

gl9•1h ago
Right there with you. I'll have to see how it plays out on Monday.
wxw•1h ago
I'm surprised at the immediate leaps to conclusions here...

Why not text him back and ask him why directly? This could all be clarified in a few messages.

gl9•1h ago
To me the bigger issue is asking me to bring a laptop with me in the first place. But I will see how it plays out on Monday. As I said in another comment, I know the drill, no personal equipment ever touches company IP.
AFF87•1h ago
Run Consider if you really want/need to join them. Working in a regulated space for a company that is asking this to a new hire seems dangerous
gl9•1h ago
I need the paycheck, but I have plenty of runway.
easyascake•58m ago
I think it just doesn’t occur to companies of a certain size. I was similarly flummoxed when my current job also assumed I was BYOPC, though they acquiesced to buy me a Mac when I asked. But, the rest of the team still uses their desktops and (!!) has trouble when traveling and being forced to use an alternate development environment.
gl9•55m ago
I was baffled when a large global consulting firm had me use my personal laptop and iPad (which they filmed to show off my work to other clients) for a month before getting me setup. And that was in 2018, I was desperate for work at the time.
segmondy•54m ago
Buy a $50 used chromebook and take it in.
gl9•53m ago
If only I still had my Lenovo S10 netbook from 2009 to bring in, I totally would. But if they can't get me a machine to do my job, I am concerned about my paycheck showing up.
term333•37m ago
Maybe it's my age talking but if a company pulled that on me here's what I'd do:

Show up on Monday without a computer. When asked, explain that they're the employer, its standard to pay for a work machine for me, and that its downright pathetic that they can't or won't.

Yes, I'd call them out. It's clearly a power move, and I'd put it right back to them. Pathetic.

gl9•31m ago
I have considered that. The only reason I will bring it with me is if I need to fill out any other on-boarding paper work, but that is the limit. Maybe off-boarding as well if they don't take it well.
sizzzzlerz•38m ago
No way they could ever pass an ITAR or SOC 2 audit with employees using their own machines. Data security is critical part of these governmental frameworks and having a set of controls in place that companies must comply with if they are to be certified. Keeping ITAR data on an employee's personal PC that is open to the internet is probably one of the biggest no-no's I can envision.
gl9•32m ago
It amazes me what supposed SOC2 "compliant" companies are willing to skimp on. A recent employer of mine, also regulated kept fighting me on getting me a work laptop. Also another funded SF based startup.
VirusNewbie•29m ago
This happened to my wife at a small PR firm. She told them she doesn't have a laptop (she didn't really have a functional one) and they just bought her a personal one as a 'signing bonus' and they have her bring it in.

It's a bit unusual, it's a yellow flag for sure, but it depends on how desperate you are for a job.

I'd tell them "i don't have a laptop, just a desktop" and see what they say? If they seem like they're going to not hire you for that, I agree with what other folks said, buy a cheap chromebook.

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