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Reparaible and open source paper printer

https://www.opentools.studio/
93•bouh•1h ago

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HelloUsername•42m ago
Interesting comment from last time this was posted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48093670

Inkjet printing requires orders of magnitude more engineering expertise, materials science, industry experience and financial resources than most people imagine. That is the reason, open inkjet printers don't exist despite having been consumer products with the same drawbacks for more than forty years. That is why this is a pre-crowdfund landing page without a demonstrating a working prototype. I would like to be wrong, but I expect you to be waiting a long time. An inkjet printer is not a collection of off the shelf parts. It is a machine that operates at the edge of chemistry, fluid dynamics, and electro-mechanical design...you have to place tiny tiny drops of liquid ink on commodity wood pulp with precision under arbitrary environmental conditions, get that ink to dry on the wood pulp, but not in tank or nozzel, while producing acceptable color, durability, and ease of use. Also lawyers...there are patents.

rubidium•35m ago
99% of this is the printhead and the ink formulation. Assuming you use generic off the shelf solutions for those two components you’re set. All the printer companies do their lock in at the firmware and software layer.
drum55•34m ago
That's why this is just using off the shelf cartridges with commercial heads.
amenghra•33m ago
An open source all-in-one-printer would be a great device to have. For eg I would love to have the scanner include a camera. So I can get “instant scans” most of the time, and a higher res scan when needed. Maybe the camera could also notice when the person making copies or scans forgot their original and ping them?
sunshinesnacks•26m ago
The required super wide field of view for the camera could be tricky, without making the box really deep. Or am I not thinking about it right?
tjohns•29m ago
On the technology side, I'm somewhat hopeful because it looks like they're using off-the-shelf HP ink cartridges for this. HP cartridges embed the printhead into the cartridge itself, and that printhead is arguably the most complicated part of the entire device. Outsource the printhead, and you're just designing a plotter with a PCL interface.

I agree that the bigger challenge is going to be patents.

It also wouldn't surprise me to see HP add DRM to cartridges to authenticate the printer itself if this catches on. (Possibly requiring a printer driver/firmware update.)

pbronez•19m ago
I don’t see why HP would want to do that. They have huge margins on ink, right? I’m sure the increase in cartridge sales would offset lost subscription revenue from useless cloud services, if only because the people who are gonna use an open source printer would never pay for that anyway.
ldoughty•5m ago
Looks like the intended use case here is you buy the cartridge once, and refill it, and OpenPrinter won't lock you out after doing so like HP does.
zczc•24m ago
From the specs:

  Compatible cartridges  
  HP 63 and HP 63 XL (US)
  HP 302 and HP 302 XL (Europe)
  HP 803 and HP 803 XL (Asia)
So they just use HP inkjet technology. That makes it less open-source, but even "open source" parts are going to be under non-commercial license (CC BY-NC-SA) anyway.
phoronixrly•10m ago
> even "open source" parts are going to be under non-commercial license (CC BY-NC-SA) anyway

You're saying this as if it is a bad thing? I absolutely welcome this decision by the authors!

amelius•8m ago
It really makes more sense to just buy a laser printer, in almost all cases.
logdahl•41m ago
Would be interested in others take on this. Personally, I wonder:

- By rolling the paper, will it really stay flat after printing? - How easy / cheap will sourcing ink be?

VorpalWay•39m ago
This is interesting, but it seems to be a crowdfunding campaign only. I wish them the best of luck (the cause is worthy for sure), but buyer beware at this point.

(I myself don't 2D print enough that an ink based printer makes sense for me. Ink tends to dry, so for me a laser printer that can sit for months at a time makes more sense. I use the scanner as well as my 3D printer far more often.)

I wonder how they will handle the nonsense around yellow tracking dots[1] etc. Hopefully that doesn't become a problem.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_tracking_dots

15155•30m ago
> I wonder how they will handle the nonsense around yellow tracking dots[1] etc. Hopefully that doesn't become a problem.

What's there to handle? They just don't include them and there's no statute that requires them to.

VorpalWay•28m ago
Hm, I guess there is no law. But why would so many manufacturers include this unless there is some legal reason or other pressure on them to do so?
attila-lendvai•23m ago
if i gave a plausible hypothesis to this, then i would be downwoted and ridiculed here on HN...
cwillu•6m ago
Thanks for letting us know, I guess?
rubatuga•38m ago
Isn't the paper feed the hardest part - the part that always gets jammed? I swear a paper roll is cheating.
Muromec•34m ago
Image loading is too fancy and went on a lunch break I think.
ktallett•33m ago
It's such a good idea as a project and by the looks of things well executed. I also feel the style of the printer and the fact it can be a roll of paper will lead to interesting project ideas.
getcrunk•33m ago
I mean it’s about time a company makes a repairable and pro consumer printer. My god
exmadscientist•32m ago
I talked a bit about this years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37007815

TL;DR: I'm surprised this isn't a laser printer, as those are actually quite a bit easier to design and manufacture, especially if you can use a cheap, older, commonly available, remanufacturable toner cartridge.

ssddanbrown•25m ago
> Open Printer is distributed under the Creative Commons BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.

So not open source.

einpoklum•6m ago
The license doesn't apply to the things you print with it.

Are you miffed by the restriction on you selling derivative open printers?

prrrrrint•25m ago
Been waiting for framework to make a regular 2D printer, of any kind, would buy at least two instantly. I will never, never, never buy a fing printer from hp/canon/epson/brother/etc with anti-consumer tech, I rather die.
esskay•23m ago
Unless I'm missing something using this in a commercial application would be a license violation:

> Open Printer is distributed under the Creative Commons BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.

> This means that everyone is free to use, share, and modify the project, provided they credit the original author, share derivatives under the same license, and do not use it for commercial purposes.

It's also not opensource yet, there's a vague mention of "when its ready" it'll be released.

ChrisArchitect•14m ago
Please "repair" the title, maybe include OpenPrinter to start with, or solely.

Some previous discussion on the crowdfunding:

Inkjet printer with DRM-free ink will be launched via a crowdfunding campaign (2025)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45423404

jzer0cool•9m ago
Can we expect photos to be looking nice?
einpoklum•8m ago
This is just the thing I needed 30 years ago :-(

To be less facetious though, this seems like a nice project (*), but I print so much less these days than in the past. I printed a lot of color stuff when I was in school; but these days I just settle for black/halftoning from a laser printer, for when I actually need something printed, and color on screen only.

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(*) - except perhaps for the NC restriction in the license.

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