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Australia is offering free daytime electricity

https://lenergy.com.au/free-daytime-electricity-is-coming-heres-how-it-actually-works/
14•i2oc•1h ago

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BLKNSLVR•1h ago
Very interested to see how this turns out. Ultimately we want the transition to benefit both consumers and producers / distributors (the industry). The problem from the rapid uptake of solar in Australia has been an over-supply during this 10/11am to 2/3pm period. If that over-supply is suitably encouraged to be soaked up then hopefully consumers can reduce their power bills whilst the industry has less effort in managing the oversupply and less stress on infrastructure.

It's also about time that those who lack the means or situation to have solar panels of their own can get some advantage, in a 'herd immunity' kind of way.

I'm in the privileged position to have had solar panels for over a decade, and now have a battery as well, and it was very obvious to me at the time that, in regards to solar, it cost money to save money, so if you couldn't afford it then the savings are inaccessible.

This change hopefully helps those who need it, at least somewhat.

Arjunsureshh•37m ago
wow
protocolture•17m ago
The fine print is interesting, theres a cap, fair use provisions and it requires a smart meter. Smart meters are still a bit contentious.

Sadly probably wont be any good for selective crypto mining, alas.

nharada•15m ago
A 24 kWh cap per day seems very reasonable. Drawing 8 kW is quite a lot.
worthless-trash•14m ago
> Sadly probably wont be any good for selective crypto mining, alas.

I imagine that this is not the target audience.

protocolture•7m ago
Its a time honored Australian tradition to review new government programs and absolutely milk them dry.
defrost•11m ago
To be fair, in a modern Maslow’s Aussie Hierarchy of Needs energy is a foundational Physiological Need, whereas energy for crypto mining is a luxury item best placed out past the outhouse of the main pyramid.
russelg•16m ago
Australia, excluding Western Australia as we are on a separate electricity grid.
bruce511•4m ago
From the article; this applies to NSW, South Australia and part of Queensland.

So yeah, not universal yet. But the precedent means it's moving in that direction. If WA homes end up producing lots of solar at midday then this opens the door there as well.

tw1984•7m ago
basically they give you a few hours free electricity in exchange for significantly higher electricity prices for the rest of the day.

basically a free IQ test.

bruce511•2m ago
Can you elaborate on the higher elec prices for the benefit of those of us not in Aus? Is that because of the smart meter requirement?
andrewstuart•6m ago
Some parts of Australia.

Not Victoria which has bankrupted itself building roads and railways it cannot afford.

mchusma•2m ago
Incentivizing usage during peak times makes total sense, but if price swings are this wild, how are grid scale batteries not highly economical? My rough ballpark math was that you need roughly 20 kilowatts of battery storage to make this issue basically nonexistent, and that would cost about 10 billion dollars, which doesn't seem that much for this.
flgb•1m ago
Not really.

The fundamental costs and margin requirements in the system haven't changed.

This is a government-mandated electricity plan (a default market offer) that competitive electricity retailers are now required to offer. Those retailers still have network costs, environmental costs, energy costs, and administration costs to recover, and so prices at other times of day necessarily go up.

Some consumers may be better off on this plan (generally at the expense of other consumers), and some will be worse off.

It's good politics and only so-so policy.

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